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[BeoMitch]

First Generation Beovision Eclipse 55 with Motorised floor stand

Immaculate condition in every respect

 

offers in the region of £3500

Collection Only

 

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[Stan]

I have an older Orbi setup:  one base, 2 satellites.  I have an Eclipse, BS1, BS2, 2 Essences, M3 and a BS5 linked via an airport express all connected via WiFi.  I have a pair of Balances (daisy chained) and a BL/NL converter wired to the base station.  There’s also a couple TVs and variety of smartphone, computers, printers all on the same mesh.

I highly recommend the suggestion to assign fixed IP addresses to all of the B&O devices. Before I did that, things were pretty flakey.  Now, for the last maybe 2 years, my B&O equipment is quite stable. The balances have hiccuped a few times, but this seems more from the daisy chained network connection.  I say this because, once or twice, I’ve had to completely reset them, and they only seem to reset correctly if I removed the network cable, set them up wirelessly, then plug them in to the router.  I have thought about running them wirelessly to see if this changes anything, but then I go a long while with no problems so why change anything?

 

[trackbeo]

Enes Yilmazer’s YouTube channel of mansion tours has posted another with at least 7 B&O TVs (2 Harmony, 2 Eclipse, 2 BV-Theatre, & 1 Contour).  Bonus points if you can spot the BeoRemote 1’s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goFsqVqQ8H8 .

One wag who comments on such videos pointed out that the Beovision Harmony is waaay too big for its place in front of a column and will form a “hazard to navigation” coming from the kitchen!  What he didn’t notice is that they sped up the display opening — like they do filming motorized patio doors — because it’s much too slow for snappy video pacing.

[Stuart50_1]

Hi all
I have some beolab 9000 on the back of my system and some 20 at front there driven by a eclipse the speaker are daisy chained together my question is
When I change audio profiles even though the profile is set up to turn the back speakers off they stay turned on .
But no sound comes out when the chosen profile is one with the speakers set to off.
Should the back speakers stay on even though there is no need or sound coming out ?

[patcherley]

I have updated my Eclipse, apart from the UI haven’t noticed any real difference, not sure I really like the new UI. But again I also don’t use the UI much at all, it I watch a TV programme I go straight there with the BeoRemoteOne short cut button.

Location: Hampshire

Favourite Product: Beolink 7000

My B&O Icons:

[cklit]

Q: How do I setup a Listening Position for (2.0) music listening on Beosound Theatre?

A: Here is what I would do: I have a 5.0.2 setup (Theatre+Fronts+Surrounds+Front heights). If this was a Beovision Eclipse or 11 or similar and I wanted a listening position for music listening, I would probably create a dedicated 2.0 speaker group, where only the Front speakers were added. However, because bass management in Theatre works differently (all speakers play their part in the low frequencies based on their capability), I do it differently here.

1: I’ll start by setting up and adjusting a Listening Position with all speakers, optimized for the sweetspot.

2: I’m lucky enough to have a room that allows for “the triangle”, so that I can sit perfectly in the middle of the 2 fronts at the same distance from each speaker, as the distance that the fronts are apart. Therefore, after the microphone measurement, I check that the distance to each front is set to the same (because I don’t want to mess with the timing between the 2 fronts, when I know I’m seated in the optimal position). While I’m at it, I check all the other distances too

3: Once the Listening Position with all speakers is perfectly tweaked, go to your desired Sound mode and ensure that the processing is set to ‘Direct’. Leave ‘Bass management’ ON. This way ALL your speakers are helping with the low end, even though it’s only the fronts that are playing everything above 120Hz.

Now you won’t hear large differences in bass performance, e.g. when switching from a movie in surround to music in stereo – AND you’re utilising the full performance of your carefully collected entertainment system.

Just to recap: If I only have one seating position, I can limit myself to 1 Listening Position with all speakers included, and 2 sound modes; one in Direct mode for music, and one in True Image for movies (my own preference, use something different if you like). Obviously, you may need a listening position optimised for more people, but that is kind of out of the scope of this question. Remember that you can assign a specific sound mode and listening position to each individual source via the app, so that you don’t have to change manually each time.

Enjoy the music 🙂

[Steve at Sounds Heavenly]

Hi,

You can use a cable like this in one of the Powerlink outputs of the TV and set this output to stereo:-

https://soundsheavenly.com/televisions/32-389-headphone-adapter-for-v1-beovision-1112-avant-eclipse-harmony-horizon-theatre-rj45-powerlink-to-minijack.html#/9-length-18m

Kind regards, Steve.

Location: The cable workshop, England

Favourite Product: Beosystem 72-23

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[Ianc2]

There are eclipse settings to share bass , have dedicated sub , multiple subs , crossover points , levels etc .
If if sounded acceptable to you through the old tv , I’d say you have the eclipse set up wrong .

[Ianc2]

A quick update :
They still look good & they still sound good .
However , I messed them up !!!
As mentioned earlier the rear surround sound will get part upgrade / part downgrade now the 8s are in place , and I temporarily placed the BL3s on the floor behind the sofa pointing up at an angle to bounce off the rear wall .
They are sat on a roll of masking tape as the backs are round .
I then went into the eclipse menu to add them ….

After FINALLY figuring a way to get the 3s to output sound , then playing with levels I was happy with the way the experiment was going and then went back to private ryan .
A bullet that was supposed to enter the water from the right traveling left seemed odd , but I carried on for a few more minutes then rewinded .

The right BL8 had no sound !!!

I was done for the night , so made sure Bluetooth streaming was working on both and planned to revisit the following night .

I spent a night reading instructions , trying to figure out what the eclipse menu meant by speaker presets etc and tried again .
Still no sound from that one 8 .
This time I did not try Bluetooth at the end .

Next night I got in from work and she told me she tried to stream but it didn’t work .
She paired her iPad , and it made the conformation sound but no music :/

I’ve not had time to revisit this , but I plan to do a factory reset tonight to get at least Bluetooth streaming working ….

[Ianc2]

Ianc2 wrote:

I have read it is possible to add a later model 65” lg screen with different bracketry and modifying the eclipse aluminum slightly . i will look at mine this weekend for a reminder , but i believe only hdmi and 1 rj45 connect to the screen , so in theory it could be used with any size/brand screen . i have a spare Vizio tv i can try this with .

I looked , and yes entirely possible to do this .
I think the thread ravsted linked to that replaces the old oled with a newer model is the best way to go . And what I will do should my panel ever develop problems .
however if you are wall-mounted and do not need a motorized mount etc it can be a totally seperate system using a tv wall-mount to space the panel off the wall inline with the sound center .
It will not look as good from the side though , should you have a doorway next to tv like I have .
The thing I like most about the eclipse is its integrated look , it looks much better than a theater in that regard .
I slso like that it has compartment on the back perfectly sized to integrate an Apple TV 4K .
It will fit other older models , but new 4k is smaller and more efficient .
I went a step further and ordered the correct length power and hdmi cables to make install better …

[cklit]

Hi,

I will probably be repeating Sandyb’s answer a bit, but here’s what I would do:
I have a 5.0.2 setup (Theatre+Fronts+Surrounds+Front heights).
If this was a Beovision Eclipse or 11 or similar and I wanted a listening position for music listening, I would probably create a dedicated 2.0 speaker group, where only the Front speakers were added.

However, because bass management in Theatre works differently (all speakers play their part in the low frequencies based on their capability), I do it differently here.

I start by setting up and adjusting a Listening Position with all speakers, optimized for the sweetspot.

I’m lucky enough to have a room that allows for “the triangle”, so that I can sit perfectly in the middle of the 2 fronts at the same distance from each speaker, as the distance that the fronts are apart. Therefore, after the microphone measurement, I check that the distance to each front is set to the same (because I don’t want to mess with the timing between the 2 fronts, when I know I’m seated in the optimal position). While I’m at it, I check all the other distances too 🙂

Once the Listening Position with all speakers is perfectly tweaked, go to your desired Sound mode and ensure that the processing is set to ‘Direct’. Leave ‘Bass management’ ON. This way ALL your speakers are helping with the low end, even though it’s only the fronts that are playing everything above 120Hz.

Now you won’t hear large differences in bass performance, e.g. when switching from a movie in surround to music in stereo – AND you’re utilising the full performance of your carefully collected entertainment system 🙂

 

Just to recap: If I only have one seating position, I can limit myself to 1 Listening Position with all speakers included, and 2 sound modes; one in Direct mode for music, and one in True Image for movies (my own preference, use something different if you like).

Obviously, you may need a listening position optimised for more people, but that is kind of out of the scope of this question.

Remember that you can assign a specific sound mode and listening position to each individual source via the app, so that you don’t have to change manually each time.

Enjoy the music.

[Stan]

@MM

I understand the difference between home cinema and stereo, and I agree that they’re not really comparable.  I have an Eclipse after all.  My point in asking why so many TVs have 2 speakers was to point out that maybe listening to stereo TV was NOT the “weirded possible way”.  Also, if it’s solely about cost, why not just have 1 speaker and eliminate that weird stereo TV watching experience?  It would be cheaper still.

This will be a music first system so TV audio is secondary (or perhaps even tertiary, with looks/usability being secondary). Having said all this, my wife is not excited about the return of the “all those speaker cables” (i.e. one thin PL running from source to daisy chained speakers) so the Stage is back in the running… or I need to do better cable management.

I agree that given B&O’s history of outstanding home cinema audio it’s a bit odd for B&O to be pushing this stereo TV concept, but then you have to sell what you have.  Marketers will do their marketing.  Or maybe this is a case of “the customer is always right” (used as that phrase was originally intended, not the more recent “Karen” interpretation).  That is, perhaps there was enough feedback saying this is desirable so they built it, even though it runs counter to ~30 years of B&O’s home cinema audio history.

 

[Millemis]

Stan wrote:

@severed_hand The Marantz can’t multi-room with my Beosound in the adjoining bathroom. It also doesn’t work just like all the other beosounds with which my wife has finally become comfortable. I listened to TV through stereo speakers for many years. I don’t understand the pushback. I’m not doing critical listening. It’s mostly background noise, but with better bass, treble and midrange than the weak built in speakers. If stereo is so odd, why do most tvs have 2 speakers?

Another point is that you can not control the Marantz with a Beoremote One.

 

The reason why most tv’s have two speakers, is that it is the easiest (and cheapest) way to do sound.
For decades tv programmes were 2 channel aka stereo natively, so there was no real need for audio processing for more channels.

Since those two speakers are located in the tv/with the screen, what we call a phantom center is mostly also heard coming from there.
The further away from the screen/the picture the external speakers are, the more this shifting of the phantom center can be disturbing…..especially for those who sit off axis.

For many years all B&O tv’s have had an option for creating a center channel, if you had connected external L/R speakers there also.
In the 90’s, when I had a BV6000, there was an option for creating a socalled ‘center balance’. This was before they started processing the sound in a modern sense.
Later – when the first Avant (the CTR tv) came, there was a ‘surround decoder’ built in, which made the two builtin speakers a center channel, if you had external speakers connected.

For the BV7 there was even a dedicated center channel speaker option (the BL7-4/BL10) – these BV’s had a surround decoder.

The new Avant had a 3 channel speaker system built in and in addition a multichannel processor for more speakers.
So does the Eclipse and the Harmony – also the Stage and the Theatre do have multiple speakers built in….the center being relatively powerfull.

From this point of view just having a set of L/R speakers with a tv is a retreat from what B&O untill now has offered as their ‘normal’ way of listening to audio from video sources.
Nowadays a lot of video material is multichannel (5.1 and more), which means that this has to be downmixed for the Beoconnect Core, which potentially will make the dialog less audible.
Something that you would not experience with a genuine 3-channel speaker setup.
There you have a wider seperation of left/right and a much more defined center.
That two speakers isn’t sufficient is also the reason for the popularity of soundbars nowadays.

Of course you may have become used to/get used to two channel tv sound, but it is far from optimal in most cases.
And it should not be praised so in the PR announcements for the BeoConnect Core:
Quote: “Simply plug in your screen and marvel as your B&O speakers transform movie nights into cinematic experiences”.
But, of course they want to sell speakers!

If you primarily use the box for 2 channel audio/stereo music, the box is fine – however, so was the Core and the Essence box.
Whether this box is better, only a test/daily use will tell.
For Shape users the COM port seems to be an improvement – also the USB-out could be beneficial for BL90/50 users.
For users with primarily Mozart based products the new Core may be the better choice.

If sound is just ‘background noice’, all this does not matter, of course ?

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

[Ravsted]

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Eclipse MKI with LG C3 Oled

[Ianc2]

I have read it is possible to add a later model 65” lg screen with different bracketry and modifying the eclipse aluminum slightly .

i will look at mine this weekend for a reminder , but i believe only hdmi and 1 rj45 connect to the screen , so in theory it could be used with any size/brand screen .

i have a spare Vizio tv i can try this with .

[johnjohnny]

Hi Mbee, I’m in a similar situation to yours.

I have got an Eclipse MK1, bought in early 2020; the TV was turned off for 8 months because I moved to a new town, 2 weeks ago I moved the TV in the new home but now it has some troubles. The TV doesn’t stay on, it powers off intermittently; in addition two vertical lines of pixels remains completely black.

I brought the TV to B&O service; to restore the TV I have to replace the motherboard, for switching off issue, an the panel, for the black pixels, for a total expense of 2400 €.

Could you explain in details what you did to mount the C3 TV on the eclipse? Do you have pictures of the result? Do all original functions works correctly?

Thank you

[johnjohnny]

Hi everyone,

I have got an Eclipse MK1, bought in early 2020; the TV was turned off for 8 months because I moved to a new town, 2 weeks ago I moved the TV in the new home but now it has some troubles. The TV doesn’t stay on, it powers off intermittently; in addition two vertical lines of pixels remains completely black. The soundcenter work correctly.
I brought the TV to B&O service; to restore the TV I have to replace the motherboard, for the switching off issue, an the panel, for the black pixels, for a total expense of 2400 €.

I’m evaluating whether to repair it or not, I’m thinking of buying a new oled LG tv.

In addition of the Eclipse I’ve got Beolab 8000 speakers, Beolab 2 sub, Beolab 3 speakers and a Beosound 35. If I buy the LG tv I would like to continue using the B&O speakers; is it possible to use the soundcenter as decoder between speakers and LG tv? Something like Beosound Theatre…

Otherwise what device do I need?

Thank you in advance.

[Ianc2]

I have an eclipse and get complaints whenever I watch a movie loud !!

did you look at filtering and go to sub and turn level up ?

if you flatten the levels in settings , then use the remote volume to get the center to a level you are happy with , enable the sub and set the level to where you want on a scene you are familiar with .
Make sure crossover is set correctly , and you’ll be pretty much there .

i had 2 facing one another diagonally across the room , but the rear one had to go so now I have to reposition again , but that is something to look at once you have the sub levels near to correct .

[Ianc2]

I allready have cables to behind sofa and WISA receivers there ready for the day I got WISA rears , so subs and backs will be WISA too .

There’s not much room on the wall were the tv is , the gap between the tv and right speaker is  a little too narrow .

plus …. The 8s would look terrible there !!!  Her words before I’d even moved the right 8k and sneaked one in to see , though this could have been that she had decided straight away that she prefers 8 over 6k on that rear wall .

ill mention another pair of 8s for the front , and get an opinion on that , though she has said allready that the 8k blend in better .

I’ve had her look at 18s & 28s , and she prefers the iconic pencil stuck in the eraser .

ive even offered to get rid of the door and make it all wall in the past 🙂

there has been a discussion in the past to put another pair of 8000 I had in the rear that was a no (she prefered 6000) , (and 6000s where prefered over BL3s ) and another more recent one to get rid of front speakers altogether . That was another no .

i kinda like the mixture of old and new , and aesthetics are more important than ultimate sound quality in this situation . Btw , replacing the eclipse with the theater has been brought up twice now .

i thought going down to a 55 would give more space and speaker options , or going up from 65 and no front speakers would be better due to viewing distance involved .

its all a compromise due to oddly sized room .

[Millemis]

Ianc2 wrote:

but now I have a question :

I’ve been through eclipse settings , and beolab settings on app , and can find no setting for using the 19 sub with the 8s for music streaming .

is it possible to do this ?

or will the sub only turn on when the tv is on , and the 8s will only stream Bluetooth when tv is off ?

You can not add a sub to the BL8’s.
Only way is to make a Speaker Group with the BL8’s and the BL19 in the BV Eclipse – which means that the BV Eclipse will turn on for processing the sound.
You can not use the BL8’s for BT, when set up with the BL19 as a Speaker Group.

As far as I remember you can stream via BT to the BV Eclipse directly and this way use the BL8/19 Speaker Group for listening.

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark