[Madskp]

If it turns out its a cable issue you could use either the AUX port on the Ouverture with the phono or n.music command. If you are using BEO4 remotes you will have to find this as a soft button via the LIST button.

Using the 1612’s AUX input will hower react to any Video source buttons and therefor be easier accesible.

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[Madskp]

If you also have a RCA to minijack adapter you could try starting combing that with your RCA to din cable.

If not try searching for B&O Aux cable minijack and you will probably find the right one

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[Madskp]

When using the Aux connector the volume of the Mac Mini should be set relatively high.

You should be able to use the same Aux cable with the 1612 when used as a video source. Masterlink cable between the 1612, Ouverture and link rooms.  If that also has low volume the AUX  cable could be configured wrong (output instead of input)

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[Madskp]

If you want the music from the Mac Mini playing on the whole system you could connect it to the AUX connection on the Beosound Ouverture.

however if the AUX connection is already in use fo other equipment you can use the 1612 to get an extra AUX connection (the connector labeled AAL) that is activated with video commands (TV, V.MEM, DVD etc). This however require you do not have any B&O tv’s in the rooms as this would make conflicts in operation.

The PC input on a Beolink Active will only play music in the room with the Beolink Active, so might not be what you want.

Hope this help you on the way

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

well even though it might be a little redundant it should be possible to connect a Beolink Passive / ML-MCL converter via Powerlink. The passive speaker ports on this box can drive an MCL system including IR eyes.

Just did a test of this to see what happens. A picture of the setup here

From Top to bottom

iPod as music source – connected to AAL connector on – BL1611 working as Audio/video master – connected via Masterlink to – Beolink active with IR eye in option 6 – connencted with fully wired powerlink cable to – ML/MCL converter – connected with MCL cable to – MCL2AV with IR eye in option 1.5 – connected via PL connector to active speaker

What I tried to do is to cover the IR eye on the BL Active and activate the MCL2AV with and audio command. The MCL2AV is turning on, but the ML/MCL converter and the BL Active is not. only if I uncover the IR eye on the BL Active.

So I guess this apply for this situation:

Madskp wrote:

But functionality could of course be reduced on a product like the Beolink Active

Just to be sure nothing was wrong with the MCL data connection between the MCL2AV and the ML/MCL converter I tried to remove the BL active from the setup and connected the ML/MCL with ML cable to the BL1611 and it worked just fine.

I will have to make some cable adapters to make some more testing on this.

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[Madskp]

B3OHACK3R wrote:

Actually, anybody knows what the Powerlink RX function does? Been seeing that in a few schematics. TX is obviously for Penta, 4500, BL5. What about RX? Any speakers sending data back to the source? Was that ever implemented in any speaker? Probably a provision for local controls or a IR receiver within a speaker? Now I’m somehow curious what happens if you connect an IR eye to the PL data pin…

well even though it might be a little redundant it should be possible to connect a Beolink Passive / ML-MCL converter via Powerlink. The passive speaker ports on this box can drive an MCL system including IR eyes.

I have noticed on the diagrams for more than one Beomaster that the data connection is shared between Audio Aux Link, powerlink and MCL, but its not a given. However that suggest some form of comptability between these.

But functionality could of course be reduced on a product like the Beolink Active

I will do some more testing when I have a little spare time on my hands

 

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[Madskp]

B3OHACK3R wrote:

Madskp wrote: But if you can tell from the diagram that SL_config is and output then we might not have much use for that for input applications Yes, definitively output-only in the schematic.

Great to have that confirmed. Just for fun I did a voltage measurement on this pin and it reads 0.4V and fluctates when a command is pressed on the remote control

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[Madskp]

B3OHACK3R wrote:

Madskp wrote:

SL-config is not connected to ML-sense

You can see in the schematic that SL_Config is actually an output. The “CPU CARD” can set it’s SL_CONFIG pin low which will then provide a logic high signal (5V) on PC pin 1. SL probably stands for slave. Maybe to tell a peripheral connected to the PC socket that the PC source was activated?

The original peripheral for this connection was the first Beolink PC office box, shown in one of the first posts in this thread. The ML data pins and the SL_config pin was then connected to that. But if it makes sense that the BL Active should send some kind of signal to the BL PC office box when there was also the ML data I don’t know.

But if you can tell from the diagram that SL_config is and output then we might not have much use for that for input applications

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

One thing I will try to test is if it will run with a BLC 1614 connected on Masterlink, just to check if a Audio- or videmoster is required, or if its just the presence of Masterlink voltage, and or signals

Tried to test the BL Active with a 1611 Converter connected as an audiomaster on the ML side just to get a baseline of things working. BL active in option 6.

All functions works as expected, I can choose all audio and video source from the ML side and get sound through powerlink, and I can use the PC input and get sound through powerlink.

Replacing the 1611 converter with a 1614 converter on the other hand will not make any functions work at all. The red standby LED on the IR eye will just keep lighted. SO no luck there

 

 

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[Madskp]

Just redid my measurements, and I must have followed a wrong trace when I did my measurements last, as there is no connection between Pin 1 SL-config and the Masterlink connector.

But still as the diagram also shows:

Pin 6 Data –  is Masterlink Data –
Pin 8 Data + is Masterlink Data +

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[Madskp]

Keith Saunders wrote:

This afternoon I have spent some time searching my boxes of manuals related to all the B&O converters. I have found a circuit diagram for type 1636 which is attached.

Great to have this diagram to do back up our testing. I can already see that I will have to revisit my measurements as SL-config is not connected to ML-sense (which doesn’t seem to be there at all).

Guy wrote:

Thanks for the 1636 schematic Keith!

Keith Saunders wrote:

I should also point out that the type 1636 (EU) replaced the 1611. In fact, all type 161x converters were replaced with 163x units when one was purchased. In other words if a 1611 (EU) converter failed, it must be replaced by a 1636 (EU)

I must admit that I don’t understand this! I can imagine the BL Active 1616 (two PL sockets) being replaced with Active Type 1636 (PL and PC sockets). However surely the BL Converter 1611 is used for a totally different purpose with PL and AAL inputs? Or is there another ‘EU’ version of the 1611 out there?

I am also a little puzzled about that as the 1610, 1611, 1612, 1614 and 1615 all converts between Masterlink and AAL datalink where the 1616, 1618, 1636, 1637, 1638 and 1639 all are link room products with IR and Powerlink connection + the added PC connection on the 163x series.  Could it be that it was only units from 1616 onwards  that was replaced by 163x? Maybe a text written in a cryptic way?

Anyway some followup testing to do with the functionality and many thanks to Keith for locating the diagram 🙂

 

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

That’s a good idea – I don’t think I have a 1614 but I guess yours arrived as part of that large pile of black boxes you acquired!

Yes there are 10 of them as part of the mountain 🙂

Haven’t got any luck dealing any of them on, but then again the 1611 is a better option

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

The setup manuals for OneRemote’s latest devices just show the code to make the OneRemote respond to the PC source key, without saying whether this is received directly (IR to OneRemote) or indirectly via the PCSNUT.

It says that indirectly as it is a direct mode code.

Also the description in you manual is that it is a setup for a link room which I read as part of a link system, and therefor the masterlink signals will be in use, hence the Oneremote radio can not be an audio master in that context.

What we don’t know is if there has been some update og Oneremotes products that is not described in the setup manuals we can find.

 

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[Madskp]

I found this setup manual from Oneremote https://doc.oneremote.dk/Vejledninger/30012002S5dk.pdf Only in Danish though.

On page 27  it describes that it can be connected to the PC connector in all Link rooms which does not correspond with my theory about it acting like and audio Master.

However the setup is also described as direct mode which is via an IR reciever, so there might not be any data connection in place.  That makes sense when used in a Masterlink system with other unit.

It does however not explain how it should be used with the Beolink Active as a stand alone unit which as far as I know does not work under normal circumstances

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

One other thing that intrigues me is that some OneRemote documentation implies that the BL Active can be used stand-alone with the OneRemote radio as an input – look at the ‘tip’ in the diagram below: I wonder if the adaptor cable does something funny to make stand-alone operation possible?

Yes thats intriguing. Looking at the adapter itself (PCSNUT) https://shop.oneremote.dk/shop/69053-oneremote-/4271-pcsnut-adaptor-cable/ it doesn’t seem like something special, and based on our knowledge about the ASNUT and VSNUT adapters from Oneremote they are just passive adapters.

I wonder if the setup manual describes a speciel setup code for this setup?

My best guess is that this setup could change the signals from the Oneremote radio from datalink to Masterlink. We already know it can change between the two different datalink formats.

If it does change the signals to Masterlink then the Beolink active will get a Masterlink signal from the Oneremote radio via the PC DIN connector which as mentioned earlier has its data pins directly connected to the Masterlink connector. If the Oneremote radio the work as a Audio Master it should be sufficient to drive the Beolink Active.

Hope this makes sense

 

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[Madskp]

And of course we still don’t have the service manual for the Beolink Active 1636

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[Madskp]

Keith Saunders wrote:

Guy wrote: “PC-Socket” on BeoLink Active 1636 – pin configuration – (Source: BeoWise) 1. SL-config 2. LEFT IN 3. Left out 4. RIGHT IN 5. Right out 6. Data – 7. GROUND / SHIELD 8. Data + So my first question before I start experimenting: Does anyone know what pins 1, 6 and 8 are for? I can confirm that these connections are correct. Data – and Data + are the differential data lines and are the same as pin 1 & 2 on the Masterlink socket. The SL_config works like the ML_config in defining direction of data.

Hawing done som continuity Measurements inside the Beolink Active I can confirm that the data pins and the SL_config Pin has direct connections to the Masterlink connector as follows, and must be Masterlink data in a DIN connector.

Pin 1 SL-config is Masterlink  ML sense
Pin 6 Data –  is Masterlink Data –
Pin 8 Data + is Masterlink Data +

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[Madskp]

Looking at the PCB drawing in the servicemanual the burnt spot could look like its above a diode. The diode could be shorted, but it could also have affected other components. The Diode is in the part of the circiut that amplifies the data signal

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

I will do some testing when I have time this week. There have been unsuccessful attempts to use BL Active stand-alone in the past, such as here: https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/31173.aspx My BL Actives are all SW1.1.

I will try that too. I have both a SW 1.1 and 1.6 as far as I remember.

One thing I will try to test is if it will run with a BLC 1614 connected on Masterlink, just to check if a Audio- or videmoster is required, or if its just the presence of Masterlink voltage, and or signals

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

On a related subject, I do want to do some further experiments with the BL Active’s PC input at some stage. I know audio L & R go to PC pins 2 & 4 but I wondered about pins 6 and 8 and whether they could be used for datalink (or AAL) control of a local source. PC input pins as listed in this thread:  https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/p/15997/281594.aspx

According to Keiths post here https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-active-1636-pc-input/#post-14712 those are Masterlink data. More so I can confirm that as I have done some continuity measurements at one point where I found that there is a direct connection between the data pins in the PC 8 pin DIN connector and the data pins in the Masterlink connector. I will do an update of that other thread with this observation as I for some reason never got around to do that.

However I have also been thinking what could be don with that port, and maybe some kind of adapter to take the sound from the PC DIN and if usefull the data from a Powerlink connector as they sometimes use the same datalines as MCL/AAL connections.

Might get arround to do some more digging into that subject in that other thread

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