[Madskp]

matador wrote:

Madskp wrote:

Looking forward to what that will bring to this thread

Precisely the reason why its good we dont live in the save neighborhood, we would being consider as the strange black box brotherhood with rituals far into the late night…

or accused of black box magic whitchery…

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matador wrote:

Yes, you have a lot of fancy beocom triangles under table remotes, BUT YOU DON’T HAVE A ML EQUIPPED BEOSOUND! Guess what? I DO!

Looking forward to what that will bring to this thread 🙂

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Tignum wrote:

I am not actually using the phono input of the BM6500, I think it would just activate when the BM would have been connected directly to the main MasterLink network, when pressing N.RADIO on a remote somewhere. Same for the RADIO command – I assigned that to B&O radio on the Core and don’t want the BM6500 to start playing radio. With one BLC, my problem would be two sources to be activated at the same time.

Oh yes that makes sense. I am only trying to work things out in the older link systems for now, but there also seems to be many interesting possibilities of integrating the old stuff with newer systems

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Guy wrote:

Yes that would be a useful experiment, especially for one of the many BeoSounds with only one AUX socket (eg Ouverture), or with no datalink (eg BS9000 or BS3000/3200). I would imagine that some Beogram users would like to remote control their turntables using such a setup, (assuming you could add both BL1611 and MCL2AV). Unfortunately I don’t have an ML-equipped BeoSound or Ouverture to test it with!

Me neither. What I am unsure of is if the Beosound will just open the integrated AUX at any sound command that is not a internal source. Maybe if need to be setup in an option as a link room system so the 1611 + MCL2AV acts as the Master system.  We’ll have to see if anyone with a more modern BEO setup joins the experimentation in this thread

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Guy wrote:

I had another quick look at this yesterday. I can only replicate the Mute button ‘lock up’ when the MCL2AV is in L.OPT 2.5, not 1.5. I used the BL3500 rather than a TV, and I could not get the same result every time. I think sometimes the result varied according to what order I did the Option settings (BL3500 before MCL2AV or the other way around), and I also think the behaviour changed depending on the order in which I then activated the devices! The IR sensors are so very sensitive – this makes it very difficult to cover/shield each sensor to simulate two rooms! I resorted to placing the MCL2AV and sensor under a thick duvet to avoid it receiving IR commands!

Ok so not so weird that I couldn’t get the mute button to work in my testings. Will still try it with the other IR eye I found and in a MCL system just to have a baseline for it.

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Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote:

until I find a 15V power brick

Great work fixing the fault! If you intend to use it with passive speakers you could perhaps look for an MCL2P with its built in 15v power supply?

Thats right. Don’t know what the final use will be for it for now, but it sure has some possibilites

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Tignum wrote:

I use the second BLC to separate the PHONO input of the BM6500 from the N.RADIO source of the Core (same Beo4 command). So the BLC is actually a filter for the CD command. Would you believe that it could be done without? I really want to keep remote commands logical for my dear family members and use RADIO for N.RADIO also. I agree, pretty elaborate, but it works well.

ok that makes sense. Didn’t realise that you used the phono input on the BM6500. Im all in for logical commands ?

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Tignum wrote:

Today I finally replaced some unused coax wires with Cat7 cables and re-added my BeoMaster 6500 / BeoGram CD 7000 combo to my set-up. They are in the attic (study) and connected through a 1611 to go from MCL to ML, and a BLC to go from ML to NL. I made a little overview of the whole network :-).

Nice setup and great system diagram. I wonder why the need for two BLC’s in this setup though?

One little nit picky detail; the connection between the 1611 converter and the BM6500 is actually Datalink/Audio Aux Link and not MCL.

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matador wrote:

Guy wrote:

so how about a new thread title of ‘BeoLink Converter 1611 Innovative Configurations’?

Done now!

Great 🙂 Now we can really widen the scope of this thread 😉

Joke aside, one thing we haven’t discussed about the use of the 1611 in this thread is how it could be used with a Beosound with Masterlink. It would probably give an extra aux input with a video command. But could it also give an extra sound input, or will the Beosound just open it’s integrated aux input regardless of audio command that is not integrated for example N.music?

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So got the transistor. I ended up buying BC807-25 instead of BC808-25 (they have alomost identical data) as it was easier to come by.

desoldered the old TR13 with hot air, and soldered in the new one.

Testing and red light turns on in the IR eye. Meassuring with multimeter shows 5.46V so very close to the specified 5.5V.

So now I just need one Bench supply for it until I find a 15V power brick.

unfortnuatly the ribbon cable to the PL connectors broke of in the proces so need some extra repair work before its ready for further testing

 

 

 

 

 

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Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote:

Mute button on IR eye still has no function (but LED turns on and off) no long press standby, so I might have a defect somewhere.

I have noticed strange physical mute button (and light) behaviour so I don’t think it’s a fault. I also had different behaviour between Type 2020 and Type 2023 so that confused me further. If I do further testing of MUTE and LED I will stick with the earlier Type 2020 to try to find results consistent with yours.

Good to know that not nesecarily broken. For good meassure I will try to make a MCL cable and hook the MCL2AV up to my BM5500 to see if everything works as expected there.

just found a bag with MCL cable and speakerlink connectors in my storage today. Also in the bag was an extra IR eye of the same tape as used with the MCL2AV just wired up with a minijack from when I used it with a Beoport many years ago. Made me remember that it came from a MCL2AV I had over 20 years ago, but didn’t know how to use at that time, so it probably ended up as E waste ?

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Guy Wrote:

Madskp wrote:

@Guy: One thing I don’t think you have tested is how the reaction to an AV + Video source command is from the BL3500 when connected to the 1611 and MCL2AV? Does it just open the video source on the 1611?

Just tried that now (with no IR sensor on MCL2AV): BL3500 in Option 2 or 6: Behaves exactly as when selecting TV etc without AV first. Just opens the video source on the 1611. BL3500 in Option 1 or 5: You need to press AV first to open video source on the 1611. (Hence behaves just like most audiomasters in Opt 1) In both case above, if listening to video source, then pressing SHIFT RADO 6/7 or any audio source causes BL3500 to switch off.

Thanks for testing this. So the fifth audio input for the BL3500 is not an option. Might also have been overkill ?

 

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@Guy: One thing I don’t think you have tested is how the reaction to an AV + Video source command is from the BL3500  when connected to the 1611 and MCL2AV? Does it just open the video source on the 1611?

The reason for asking this is that I got an idea the the cable connected to the AUX port on the MCL2AV could be split up in an output (pin 1, 2, 4 and 6) to the 1611 and an extra input input (pin 2, 3, 5) which could be selected with the AV + video source command. I will also try to test this in my setup with the BC6 when I has some test time again

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Got time for some more testing today before i began the repair on the MCL 2AV.

I think it has been mentioned before that my MCL2AV is a type 2020, but there is no sticker with the SW version. Only sticker I could find is on the Eprom.

Before I began my testing i made a reset of settings on the BC6 from the service menu as I was nervous that there could be unwanted settings made through the years that could affect the tests. For example both the analog and Digital TV tuner had been disabled.

MCL2AV stand alone  option 1.5 and 2.5 + IR eye + PL speakers + BC3500 + iphone on CD input

I started with the MCL2AV in stand alone mode to confirm that things worked as expected. In both option settings 1.5 and 2.5 selection of both CD and tape input worked  as expected with shift+radio+6/7 commands. And tape command was working when BC3500 was connected. When in option 1.5 AV + Video source command opens the Aux input. from all inputs music playing on speakers connected to the PL ports.

BC6 opt. 2 +1611 + MCL2AV opt 2.5 +IR eye + PL speakers + BC3500 + Iphone on CD input. All in same room

IR eye on MCL2AV will not react at all to IR commands even when blocking the IR on BC6. It seems like it’s disabled, so all IR is through the BC6

Mute button on IR eye has no function (but LED turns on and off), no long press standby

Full control of BC3500 with tape commands.

Cd input starts up with shift + Radio + 7 without problem

AV + Video Source just changes to that video source on the TV. No sound on MCL2AV PL speakers. In fact all the time in this scenario only very faint sound would come out of the PL speaker output on MCL2AV event when turning the volume up on the conencted computer speakers.

 

BC6 opt. 2 +1611 + MCL2AV opt 1.5 +IR eye + PL speakers + BC3500 + Iphone on CD input. All in same room but should be in 2 rooms in a real case scenario

Ir eye i functioning on the MCL2 AV, so had to block the  IR sensor that I didn’t want tor receive the signals in this test.

Mute button on IR eye still has no function (but LED turns on and off) no long press standby, so I might have a defect somewhere.

Mute and volume control with remote works independently for

Full control of BC3500 from both MCL2AV and BC6, Start/stop and FF/RW affects both sources (stop in one room stop for all rooms etc.)

Cd input starts up independently on both sources with shift + Radio + 7

Sound is comming out of PL speaker output on MCL2AV

AV + Video Source command moves sound from BC6 video source to MCL2AV speakers, but not back when pressed once more. Can only go away with standby or choosing another source.

Short press standby when pointing at the BC6 IR sensor only turns off TV.  For the MCL2AV a short press turns off MCL2 AV, but not TV. A long press pointing at the BC6 will turn off both devices.

 

So thats it for todays testing. I think the results are getting more stable, when you know what to expect, and I can see a use for both of the tested cases here either in the same room for the first one or i separate rooms for the second one.

 

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

When playing from the MCL2AV sources (TAPE and CD) the TV menu showed only A.AUX (with either MCL2AV type).

Ok interesting when it doesn’t show up on my BC6, but of course the BV10 is newer. But My BC6 also has some weird things going on once in a while, so i might just reset it to factory defaults to be sure that Im getting “clean” results from my testing.

Guy wrote:

I could also control and listen to the TV from the MCL2AV/BL1611 ‘link room’ by pressing AV TV, but couldn’t listen to any of the TV’s hdmi inputs (eg by pressing AV SAT). After trying to do so, I had to switch the system off and on again to control/hear normal TV.

If I remember correctly HDMI sources (or digital sources) can not be distributed via Masterlink, so that may be the reason for that behaviour). My BC6 doesn’t have HDMI, so I might not be able to make a comparing test.

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Guy wrote:

Yes this would be useful. Matador produced an excellent diagram that summarised the early breakthrough with the ‘dual input’ BL1611 to BeoLab 3500. When we have finished playing with the ‘added MCL2AV’ we probably need something similar to summarise the one-room/two-room configurations with TV or BL3500 connected. Perhaps when the Beoworld User/Service Manuals library has been re-vamped we could ask for a ‘Novel Configurations’ folder where we store such information?

Yes it was actually something like that I thought, placing them in the new manual library might also have the benefit the Keith doesn’t have to make a whole new “module” for it. Looking at Matadors diagram again, most things are mentioned so it’s a great format. Maybe just adding a few disclamers about what might not work for the different use cases, and for what MK and SW version the setup has been tested, and maybe a link to the thread were the info originates from.

I for one would be willing to put in some hours to make some of these configuration pages.

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matador wrote:

Hi there, I suggest we rename the topics since it is now far from BL3500 and 1611 only. It would help people to find information about all your experiments. Being not good at naming threads, you can suggest anything that would be relevant. Guy, fell free to rename it if I’m not around. Regards.

Yeah we got arround a lot of setups in this thread. Maybe something like “B&O black boxes unofficial use cases” 🙂

But yes this thread is lenghty and it can be hard for newcommers to fin the info. Maybe we can edit some of the important posts with relevant info tags

Another thought with the current situation for Beoworld, and idea could be to make some one or two pagers with a simple info drawing and a short description of the usecases we found in the thread that could be made available to Gold members as and added bonus? This could be true for other threads also. just a thought

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Guy wrote:

So the addition of the MCL2AV allows you to have a total of three selectable inputs from the BL3500.

Plus the one from the PL socket on the BL3500 MK2 with the special key combination. Don’t remember if we ever established if this input also will work in some form with the MK1 version with the MCL socket?

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Madskp wrote:

and maybe some kind of add’s even though its wonderfull with a part of the internet without it. But if that can keep the boat floating im fine with it.

An option for add’s could also be that paying members would not see the add’s

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Guy wrote:

BL3500 in L.OPT 1, 2, 5 or 6/MCL2AV in L.OPT 2.5 or 2.6 I can select and play SHIFT RADIO 6 from the BL3500 room (this doesn’t start the PL speakers connected to the MCL2AV).

If you had and Audio master instead of the MCL2AV I guess you would have the same behaviour when you start the music from a link room.

Guy wrote:

However, after selecting/controlling the BL3500 I cannot then select or control anything within the MCL2AV room.  Even Mute or Volume don’t work, even though the IR receive LED is flashing on the MCL2AV’s IR sensor.  Also the IR sensor MUTE button has no response.  The MCL2AV room will only work again if I turn the system off and re-set the MCL2AV option settings.

However this doesn’t sound like something that would happen with an audiomaster.

Guy wrote:

BL3500 in L.OPT 1, 2, 5 or 6/MCL2AV in L.OPT 1.5 or 1.6 Independent control in both rooms is possible (has to be same MCL2AV source in each room).  Can switch on (or mute) independently from either room, and ‘join’ by pressing just vol or mute in MCL2AV room (but you have to press the full SHIFT RADIO 6 to ‘join’ in the BL3500 room).  The MCL2AV IR sensor’s MUTE switch works to join or mute once sound is already playing in the BL3500 room.  A good useable outcome!

This sound like a great use case, especially if you have a datalink compatible unit, and also want other sources connected. The Beolab 3500 should still be able to access the Video source in the 1611 I guess?

Guy wrote:

If the MCL2AV/BL1611 combination is in the same room as another ML device (with a built-in IR sensor), disconnecting the IR sensor from the MCL2AV simplifies control.  Unfortunately, you cannot then activate any PL speakers connected to the MCL2AV.

If used with a Beolab 3500 or a TV with speakers (internal or external) I dont see much use for the PL port in the same room, so this might be ok.

Guy wrote:

I will be interested to see if similar results are obtained with a BeoVision instead of the BL3500.

I will for sure be looking in to this and report back

Guy wrote:
Anyway, enough for today – apparently the ML cable across the landing is a ‘trip hazard’ and the BeoLab 3500 needs moving from our bed!

Hehe, yes it’s not always easy to make these experiments when you have other people in the house. My setup is in an attic room where I can just let it be when I’m finished without worrying about anyone tripping. only downside is that the access is through the room where our little boy is sleeping which makes experimenting in the evening hours not an option.

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