[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

After a lot of messing about with routers and IP addresses etc, I eventually got the thing connected to a web browser and was able to check it was set as V. Master. Then connected it to my Masterlink setup, turned everything on in hopefully the right order and… no change. Play button on a ML-connected link device still turns everything off. I have not done extensive testing with lots of different IR eyes and devices but have tried various sorts of turning things on and off again.

Not sure if it has an effecgt, but have you tried to power up the NL/ML Converter before the other parts in the system?

I do not have acces to my NL/ML converter at the moment, so it will be some time before I can share how my settings for it are

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[Madskp]

Great to hear that you did not just give up on it, and great that you are sharing the fix so others can benefit from it.

Even though B&O at one point did change the repair strategy to swapping parts I belive much of it is still repairable. I think the biggest issue is the lack of schematics in the servicemanuals to give an understanding of how the parts are connected on a crowded circuit board.

Fortnuatly sometimes the faults are visible, and on known to fail components like in your case.

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[Madskp]

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Take a look at this thread where the Rifa capacitors was blown in a Beoplay V1.

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beoplay-v1-40-smoked-power-supply/

The bBV11 and the V1 is built on the same platform, so there is a good chance the capacitors are the same.

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[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

By chance I have an IR eye for a Beosystem 3 which has more connections inside than the standard round eye. Do you know if that would work with the NL/ML Converter?

That should work to my. knowledge as long as you just wire up the ground, +5V and IR data connections. You can find the connections diagram for all the round IR eye’s in the Beolink Handbook (available in the Beotech section on Beoworld). there is a diagram for Beosystem4 where it is wired up with RJ45 connection. This should be the one to look at, but only connect the 3 signals mentioned above.

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[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

Well I missed out on the Beosystem 3 but have successfully outbid everyone else in the entire world on a NL/ML Converter which will hopefully arrive for the weekend. The madness continues!

Hope this will suite you well. The NL/ML converter is a very versatile device and usefull for many type of setups.

If you are going to use an IR eye for it be aware that you will need the newer type with a join button to be able to use the buttons on the IR eye. If you however only need the IR functionality you can wire up the one of the older ML or MCL IR eyes but only connection to ground, +5V and data.

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[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

That’s interesting @Madskp. With the NL/ML converter configured as videomaster?

Yes. And I did just test it again with a IR eye and sepakers connected to the NL/ML converter, and it seems to work as a link rom and can join or unjoin while the music from the main system keeps playing (if started from the main system), and that did also work with the BL3500.

So this could be a solution with the added benefit that it can also work as a link room.

speedsixdave wrote:

I was bidding on ebay for a cheap Beosystem 3 to try that too, but outbid. Hey ho. Not sure what I can try next.

That could also be a possible solution, and would probably also work as a link room with speakers and IR eye connected. Probably the Beossytem 2 could also do this.

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[Madskp]

A little more testing today. Tried again with the NL/ML converter and some other cables, and this time it worked as expected so that is a possible solution for this issue.

 

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[Madskp]

Had a little time again today.

First I tried a long shot by putting a Beolink Video into the ML network. That did not work.

Then I replaced the 1611 converter with a 1614 converter, and also added the 1611 into the ML network without anything other thatn ML and power attached to see if it would act as a V.master. That did not work either.

Then I put the 1611 back, and added the NL/ML converter to the system configured as V.master, but that did not work either.

So not much luck.

I will try the test with the NL/ML converter again double checking cable connections to be sure everything is as it should be.

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

Another possibility is the NL/ML converter Carolpa mentions. If you do not need it for connecting NL equipment you might still be able to utilise it as a link room instead of an BL Active.

I can also try to test this in a stand alone environment to verify that it will work in that context

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[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

Now I’m wondering whether it has to be a genuine video source or whether it’s possible to fool the system with an additional source into the 1611 as in Matador’s illustration?

I am not sure the 1611 can do that just based on sound input, as it might need the datalink signal from a TV.

Another possibility is the NL/ML converter Carolpa mentions. If you do not need it for connecting NL equipment you might still be able to utilise it as a link room instead of an BL Active.

I have a few other ideas that may not work, but will try to test them in the comming days and report back.

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[Madskp]

Based on the HDD acces error and the age of the sytem it might be likely that the HDD has failed.

The Servicemanual indicates that the HDD can not just be swapped, but might have to be transferred and/or setup by the use of the B&O service tool which to my knowledge is not available for other that dealers and servicecenters.

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[Madskp]

Have you tried testmode 27?

If I read the servicemanual correctly this should among other things tell if the HDD has an error (page 4.8 in the servicemanual)

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[Madskp]

I had some time today to do a little testing.

I tried different option settings on both the BC9300 and the BS Ouverture (opt. 0, 1 and 2) and on the BL3500 (opt. 5 and 6), but no difference in behaviour.

carolpa wrote:

In the proposed settting the Video ML/ Video non ML is missing. Maybe this is the cause of the behaviour.
Note: I have a Beosystem 7000 – T1611 – BLC connected in my Netlink. I have to set the BLC up as VMaster to work correctly if I’m right

I the tried to connect my Beocenter 6-23 to the setup, and now it works as expected and I can start a CD on the BC9300 (or the Overture when that is the master), join the Beloab 3500 with a single touch on the mute button and unjoin by another press ont the mute button. Also I can make a long press on the mute button and it will turn off the Master system.

So it seems that a video master has some effect on how the system reacts to link room commands regardless of the use of a 1611 converter or a real ML audio system (Overture in this case).

I will also try this with my Beocenter 2 to see if that also applies to a more modern ML audio system.

 

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[Madskp]

I also had a little time yesterday where I tried to connect the White/blue and the pink wire i a ML cable and tried it withe the BS Ouverture + Beolab 3500 combo again with no difference in behaviour.

I have a RJ45->ML connection to my wall mounted BL3500, so I guess I also had this connection already.

Will try som othe combinations when time allows it

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[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

Do you have the short circuit in your setups, @madskp? No idea if this is actually relevant or not.

I am not sure. Most of my stuff is in a non permanent setup, so I often switch cables between different units. I will try to check up on this when I have some time, probably in a couple of days.

carolpa wrote:

Normal in ML : short STBY will stop only the product in the room addressed. Long STBY will put the whole system in standby.

That is also what the manuals for the link products describe, so even more puzzling that I can reproduce this issue with two different Audio Masters.

Will also try to look into trying with other components if the above does not change anything.

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[Madskp]

Interesting enough that it seems to work when converted to MCL.

But according to the user manuals for at least the Active, Passive and BL3500 it should work as the MCL did:

From the BL3500 user manual

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[Madskp]

So I just did some testing with some of my equipment:

Beocenter 9300 – 7 pin datalink cable –  1611 – masterlink cable – Beolab 3500 MK1 both with, and without a powerlink cable between the BC9300 and the 1611.

Beosound Ouverture – Masterlink cable – Beolab 3500 MK1

In bot cases I get the same behaviour as you describe even when I start the music from the master system.

Now what I expected. I will see if I have time to look more into this today

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[Madskp]

Just some extra notes to be clear:

Do you start the music from the main system or from one of the link rooms, and do you also have the speakers in the main room in use in these scenarios?

I belive if the music is started from a link room the behaviour is correct as long as the main room is not in play.

I will see if I can verify this on one of my systems today.

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[Madskp]

To explain your observations about the 1611 it csn work as a stand alone audio and video masterthus allowing for two selectable sources on any ML link room product. This was tested very throughly in another thread which among other things resulted in this great sketch made by Matador https://beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/beoworld_images/24903/fpsantcr1nreqhki1h7n4w2zt2x2471h.jpg

 

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[Madskp]

Just a few more inputs based on your post.

speedsixdave wrote:

urrently running it without. 1611 is connected to the Aux port on the BM6500, it doesn’t seem to work at all in Tape which would have been my preference.

The datalink86 bus that is needed for connection to the 1611 is only available in the AUX connector.

speedsixdave wrote:

try the Active at the same time as the Passive, possibly with the BL2000 too, all connected through my RJ45 distributor. If I have sufficient bits of cable.

What about the active have you tried if that works the same as the passive?

speedsixdave wrote:

get the BM33oo out of the shed and try that connected to the 1611. Not sure if this will work but if it does with the same behaviour it would suggest it’s my 1611 that’s the problem

The BM3300 does not have datalink86, so is not able to work with the 1611.

Also if the Beolab 2000 works fine in the setup the 1611 should be OK.

speedsixdave wrote:

maybe try with the BL3500 via ML, though this might be more destruction than I have time and space for.

Maybe just try to disconnect the MCL part of the system (remember to turn it all of before you do so), just to rule out if that has any effect on it. MCL shares the same datalink bus as the datalink 86 in the AUX conecetor of the BM6500, so there is a possibility that something could disturb each other

 

Let us know how your testing goes. Maybe that can make for new inputs to the mystery

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