[Madskp]

carolpa wrote:

The T1611 was designed to integrate Non-ML audio with ML-BV – or – Non-ML BV with ML-audio.

Just to add to this, the 1614 was the predecessor to the 1611. The  1614 did work for these scenarios as well. However in a setup with a music system without ML and with no ML TV the it can not deliver the necessary data voltages to ML link rooms. The 1611 however has the ability to deliver these voltages and is therefor able to substitute a Master unit. That said i can not necessarily deliver the same functions as a dedicated audio master.

That being said as I have mentioned  earlier I experienced the same behavior with a BS Ouverture that is a dedicated ML master.

 

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speedsixdave wrote:

BS3000 > ML (RJ45) distributor &> BL2000 &> BL Active

And again everything seemed to work as I’d hoped. Short press on . turns either on or off without affecting the others. Long press on any of the three turns everything off. If all three are on, and I short press . on the BS3000, only the BS3000 goes quiet but a CD continues playing through the BL2000 and Active. Incredible! And all without a Videomaster.

Great to hear that you got things working as intended with this setup.

speedsixdave wrote:

So I conclude for now that it’s the presence of the BLC1611 that causes the ‘everything turns off’ problem.

It might not be as simple as that since I also had the same issue with the BS Ouverture.

It could be an issue that was fixed in later software revisions, and newer products though. I am not sure I got to try the scenario out with my Beocenter 2, so I might try to do that and see how it reacts in such a scenario.

speedsixdave wrote:

The BS3000 is a lovely thing but the lack of an (ideally datalinked) phono port and only one Aux port brings it’s own problems for my setup. Not quite perfection yet!

Yeah that’s the backside of the “newer” Beosounds with Masterlink that datalink support was droped. Probably to keep the products cost effective.

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lenhi wrote:

It has been suggested that the little white joining boxes could be replaced with e.g. RJ45 CAT6 Pass Through, for better stability.

If you get a new RJ45/CAT6  cable installation made in the house and buy the proper RJ45 to ML adapter cables without splicing this might make for better cable stability.

But again I will suggest that you first buy some new unspliced ML cables  to test if the missing sound is due to bad existing cables in your house or problems with your equipment.

 

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[Madskp]

I must admit the latest post here got me laughing because I can so much relate to this scenario of trying to fix something only to realize that it is never going to work in a disassembled state because a switch or sensor must be activated in a certain position which only occurs when assembled 🙂

But good for you that you found the culprit in the end although you might have been better of with the proces of fault finding in this case

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Niall Hall wrote:

So now I just need the BeoLink Converter 1611 and this special cable: https://soundsheavenly.com/products/5-pin-din-to-4-x-rca-input-and-output-cable-for-b-o-naim-quad#/2-length-1m plus an audio source of course and then I should be good to go, right?

That should be what you need yes

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TK wrote:

One interesting side note is the discovery that the service manuals for these units also contain Danish warning labels about the lasers, which I would not have expected.

Maybe they were thinking about getting it to other markets if it was successful in NA.

 

TK wrote:

With respect to Beomaster “Tape” vs “Tape2” inputs, its worth considering that the Datalink ’80 protocol does not contain source-specific encodings, as it simply assumes there is “One Beogram” and “One Beocord” per channel, and it doesn’t care which specific sub-type. So apart from stated conventions in the user manual, there’s nothing stopping a user from plugging the 5103 into the ‘Tape’ port of any Datalink ’80 machine and have it be fully functional, AFAIK.

That is also my understanding. My wondering was more to the usability for the end user where the Tape2 command might require extra keypresses, and are not aligned with the actual source being CD in this case. However to be compatible with Beocenters with the sources CD and Tape built in I understand the choice.

TK wrote:

I can put it on BeoBabble and see if any additional information intended primarily for the 6500/7000 units is broadcast as well, but I suspect the answer is no.

As mentioned in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beotooth-5500-a-datalink-bluetooth-receiver/#post-50219  about the Beotooth 5500 by Pilatomic the Tape2 source is missing at least one feature  compared to Tape, so it is possible that the Tape2 choice has somehow limited how many features B&O decided to develop for this.

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Very interesting read. I did not know that B&O had this product once. Could it be one that was only available for the North American market?

Looking at the manual it looks like it was intended for use with the Tape2 command. While I can see the flexibilty in what music systems it can be used with with this command I still think its odd from a user interface standpoint.
The manual focus on control with a beolink 7000 though were the Tape2 command is easier accesible than Beolink 1000/5000/ Beo4.

I also notice in the manual that Beocenter 2500 and 9500 has a limitation in selecting tracks on a specific CD. Could this be due to a simpler integration of the Tape2 command in these systems?

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Niall Hall wrote:

I did some tests today just out of curiosity by connecting the BeoLab 3500 (set to Option 4) directly to my BeoVision 8 (set to Option 2), and the result was that no audio reached the speaker. The MasterLink connection is definitely active, I confirmed this by pressing MENU MENU 0 2 GO, and the BeoLab displayed ML OK.

When the Beolab 3500 is in option 4 it will only respond to commands if the command LINK is pressed before the actual command. On the BEO4 remote link commands can be added to the list.

But to test it out you could simply set the Beolab 3500 to option 6 and it should react to the same commands as the TV. The Beolab 3500 display should show the same source as you choose on the TV.

 

Niall Hall wrote:

So I tried asking Copilot what could be causing the problem, and according to the AI, the HDMI input is the reason it isn’t working. The HDMI audio signal is entirely digital, while the ML audio signal is analog, and there is no internal component that converts between the two. It referenced this service manual as a source: http://www.abo-center.dk/Abo_center_2/reptips/diagrammer/Beovision/Beovision%208%2032%20Type%209550.pdf

However, the manual is in Danish, which is not my strongest language, so I can’t really confirm whether the AI is correct.

If anyone has experience with this setup or can confirm whether the HDMI/ML limitation is correct, I’d really appreciate your insight.

It is correct that there are some limitations with digital sources going to Masterlink. I think it has to do with delays being introduced in the conversion from digital audio to analog audio (which is used in Masterlink). But try to see if you can get something out by the method described above.

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Niall Hall wrote:

it seems that the easiest way is to get a special cable that allows it to work as a stand‑alone speaker.

This solution is easy in terms of connection, but has some drawbacks in terms of usablity. To activate the speaker you need to press Menu+Menu+0+4+GO after that the speaker will play, but any keypress will turn it off again so no volume control is available.

Niall Hall wrote:

However, since I already have the ML cable and my BeoVision 8‑32 has a MasterLink socket, I’m wondering: could I simply connect the two and use the BeoLab 3500 as an extra speaker in my TV room?

That is a possibility. The BL3500 will the respond to the same commands as the TV, and play the same sources. You could run into some issues with the volume control on the TV and the BL3500 not following each other though.

 

A third possibility is to connect the Masterlink cable from the BL3500 to a Beolink Converter type 1611. That way you can use it as a stand alone speaker with to selectable input, and functioning volume control. The solution is shown in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/4/#post-42271

Hope this can help you a little

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lausvi wrote:

Would be nice to have a look inside?

My thought as well. Could be nice to see if it is just wires or if there is some form of extra circitry.

 

lausvi wrote:

it’s not the MCL IR-transceiver as it doesn’t have the buttons, but the external IR-receiver for the VX5000(/BMx500 I think?))

I belive that it is the VX sensor shown in this thread https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/5529.aspx

The one for Beomaster x500 has the text sensor on the front and is shown in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-passive-ir-eye/page/2/#post-45805

 

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[Madskp]

The older Apple connector for iPod, iPhone and iPad was a 30pin connector, so that would be what you should look for.  I have never heard of a 20pin connector for those devices

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[Madskp]

My best guess would be that it was used for controlling B&O VCR’s with a B&O remote control but without the need for s beovision TV. The control signals from the IR eye (it is not a display) is probably routed into the scart connection.

it could be something the repair center build with the use of the B&O IR eye.

 

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[Madskp]

Also available here RIAA amplifier – OneRemote

There was also an older version in a cylindric form, that might be possible to find second hand

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lenhi wrote:

I have acquired a teleplug to DIN from Steve, and have tried this with my phone and with my ipad. The phone plays on its own speaker, while the Ipad goes silent. Nothin comes out of the 3500.

Is this cable specific made to the Beolab 3500? If it is s Beolab 3500 MK1 the pinout in the DIN connection is different. Also to activate this input on the Beolab 3500 you will need to press Menu + 0 + 4 + GO

lenhi wrote:

2 and 3 do not beep against anything at the other end of the cable. 1 beeps against green and green-white

Pin 1 should only be connected to the White/green wire

Pin 2 Should be connected to the green wire

Pin 3 should be connected to White/blue

lenhi wrote:

12 does not beep against any of the leads in the other end of the cable

Pin 12 should bed connected to pink

The other Pins and colors seems t be correct.

But I will suggest you get another cable since there are  clearly issues with this one.

Also since this is not the first post where you seems to have issues with your system I will suggest you try to simplify things by testing the BL3500 the Beovision and the Beomaster and 1614 in the same room with new Masterlink cables without splicing to rule out if your equipment have issues.

 

 

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[Madskp]

multicare wrote:

Issue should be sorted.

Thanks a lot 🙂

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Madskp wrote:

There might be an issue with the private message function.

When I type in a username it just keeps saying searching without anything happening.

have tried different browsers on both my computer and my phone without any difference

I still can send a private message. When I type in the user name I dog not get the searching anymore, but no confirmation that the user name is correct either. When I try to send it I get an error that the user does not exist.

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[Madskp]

There might be an issue with the private message function.

When I type in a username it just keeps saying searching without anything happening.

have tried different browsers on both my computer and my phone without any difference

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[Madskp]

Do you have any Beocom telephones with volume control buttons? I once had a similar issue where that was having an issue an kept sending volume up signals

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Kristian Buckhøj wrote:

Also when searching using Gemini, I found out that the trigger volts with MCL should be 7v and not 5v. Don’t know if others have tried that.

I do not belive there is a trigger voltage on MCL. The 7V is for powering the MCL2A boxes since they do not have a separate power supply. On the Beolab 3500 however the 7V is not connected to anything. The Triggering TK is talking about is in form of data commands on the DATA wire which is in 5V pulses.

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B3OHACK3R wrote:

There is now an optional software image that just needs to be flashed on a SD card. Strictly speaking its still DIY but the software part can be plug-play with that one.

Oh very interesting 🙂 I have not read the full description yet, but will defenetly look into that.

B3OHACK3R wrote:

On ML side there are two different ways of remote waking the BL3500. Either via the timer function (BL3500 needs to have TIMER ON) or just by sending a virtual Beo4 command for switching on a source. In a traditional ML system without MLGW the only option for a video or audio master to activate link nodes is broadcasting the timer activation command. All devices with TIMER ON will then switch on. With the virtual Beo4 keys you have much better control and it works on all devices I have tested.

Great info to understand it. The Almando Masterplay use the TIMER function for it to work btw.

 

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