[Madskp]

Great info. Think i has been mentioned now and then, but with reference to the same IR circiut in other products and that it was the blank/shiny caps. So great with actual reference with values.

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Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote: It does turn on their Beoplay V1, and do control the volume. However the volume function seems to be stuck somehow so it will keep turning up the volume even if I turn of the TV volume functions in the ATV settings. I will have to look into a way to reset the Siri remote to see if this behavior does continue.

That’s strange – but if you can’t reset it and it’s less than a year old them you should be able to raise as a fault with Apple and get a replacement.

I’m at my parent again and have now tried to charge and restart the SIRI remote as described on Apples support pages. Now all functions seems to work, although I don’t have the same posiblities to do long time testing . I have nothing to add to GUY’s observations.

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silou wrote:

BS9000 has no datalink on the aux connector. But the powerlink connector has data (DL86?) on pin 6. What do you think ?

I am not sure the data connection i the Powerlink connectors will be of much use depending on the goal.

If it is just to get an extra AUX input without datalink Usecase 6 above https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-6.pdf can be used.

If it is to be able to control a B&O record player or tape deck it may require to set the BS9000 in opt. 5 or 6 (as a link room) and via Masterlink connect to a Beolink converter 1611 and the via datalink to a Beomaster 3500/4500/5500/6500/7000 or a MCL2AV (in option 0 or with the IR eye covered) where the record player and/or tape deck is connected. It should then be possible to use theses source with a LINK + PHONO/TAPE command from the BS9000

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Guy wrote:

Excellent work – you must have kept comprehensive notes from all the testing that you have been doing, and it’s great to see it presented so clearly!

Actually my notes was mostly the thread and in my head. Although I had to do some retesting when I began making the drawings as some questions regarding specific option settings and details like that arrised.

Guy wrote:

In the New Year I will have a more comprehensive look through all the combinations, but I really should prioritise looking for a new house to buy so I can settle down and use some of these setups for real.

Hope you do find a place with lots of extra rooms to enjoy your collection of B&O gear. You may need a seperate room just for your Beolink 1000 and BEO4 collection ?

Guy wrote:

Many thanks indeed for putting these together for the benefit of all!

No problem. Been meaning to do that for a while now. Also makes it easier to explain these unofficial setups to others

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Next set of use cases attached here

(Moderator Note – new links to use cases added as these had disappeared when forum changed hands)

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-1.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-2.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-3.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-4.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-5.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-6.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-7.pdf

https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-8.pdf

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To sum up some of the findings in this thread and to make it easier for newcomers and others to understand what it is we have been testing and found out I have compiled a set of examples of use cases for the Beolink converters and the MCL2AV box.

This is not a complete set of examples, and some things can be mixed and matched between the different setups although there are limitations.

I Have tried to describe each use case in words, but also (hopefully) made as much as possible self explanatory with the example drawings.

I am no graphics shark, and do not have any fancy graphics tools, so bear with the limitations in the graphical presentation. Also I would have liked to have more consistency in the icons used, but I have used what I could find.

Any constructive critics, suggestions for changes and/or attention on wrong information is very welcome, and I will try to update the example accordingly.

Because of file size the attached files will be in this and the following post

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A very great use case which has been requested by many ?

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Looks very promising ? Great job and merry christmas to you

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Congratulations to all the winners and merry christmas to everybody

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Yes please….

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Can’t wait to get a bonus Christmas present ?

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lordgspaltenhorn wrote:

I hoped this could be solved by setting the correct Sensor and BM options. As mentioned above, maybe it´s part of the actual Datalink command. Unfortunately, I have not found a comprehensive documentation of the actual commands yet.

I don’t think the option settings should make any difference as they only tell the Beomaster if it only recieves audio commands (option 1) or both audio and video commands (option 2).

lordgspaltenhorn wrote:

I actually don´t need the additional MCL Sensor in my day to day use. I´m using it to identify commands from the Datalink protocol. I know about the Datalink manual and I´m already able to send and receive signals

As for the datalink part there are currently 2 members working on projects where they are using datalink if you are not aware of it. They might be helpfull with insights:

B3OHACK3R: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/masterlink-usb-adapter/

and

PILATOMIC: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beotooth-5500-a-datalink-bluetooth-receiver/

Also there is this project on GITHUB:

https://github.com/toresbe/datalink

lordgspaltenhorn wrote:

There was a kit available with an external IR sensor for the BM6500 as mentioned earlier in this thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-passive-ir-eye/page/2/#post-19496 . I might be hard to find one know though.

I was wondering if this is actually an external IR sensor, or if it is providing Datalink commands. But a brief look at the BM7000 schematic suggests that it actually is providing IR commands.

Yeah but it is somehow compatible with other products as mentined by GUY in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-passive-ir-eye/page/2/#post-19614

 

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Hello. First of this was just some random testing of IR eye’s i different environments, and I might not have thought all scenarios through.

Also there are some differences internally in the BM5500 and BM6500 around the data signal in the AUX connection, so it might not work the same as it did with my BM5500 (It is unfortnuatly dead now and given to another person so can’t redo the test of it)

lordgspaltenhorn wrote:

With this Setup I´m able to start up the BM6500 via my Beolink 1000 remote. The correct source is also selected. But unfortunately the speakers stay muted and cannot be umuted by neither the “mute” button on the Beolink nor the “mute” button on the MCL Sensor.

Thinking a little more about it in this situation  the sensor is connected the same way as if it was in a link room. That means that it will only active the sound for the speaker 2 connections and the speaker 1 and powerlink will stay muted. I didn’t have any speakers connected for my test so didn’t notice that.

However you should still be able to active the powerlink speakers via the BM6500 internal IR eye?

 

This leads me to asking what you are trying to achieve here? Is it because you wan’t better coverage in a large room, or is the internal IR sensor not working?

There was a kit available with an external IR sensor for the BM6500 as mentioned earlier in this thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-passive-ir-eye/page/2/#post-19496 . I might be hard to find one know though.

 

 

 

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markg2000 wrote:

Good observation, I incorrectly said there are “four MCL 2A Type 2046 boxes connected to 7 speaker pairs.” Actually, there are seven MCL 2A Type 2046 boxes connected to 7 speaker pairs.

ok that makes sense

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markg2000 wrote:

I have four MCL 2A Type 2046 boxes connected to 7 speaker pairs

Just out of curiosity do you need the Expander when you only have four MCL 2A? The system Manual 89-90 states that yoo need it above four link rooms and/or if the cable lengt exceeds 500 feet

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The MCL 2ABLI and MCL 2AV are both compatible with other MCL 2 equipment.

However non of them will work as replacements for the MCL2 Expander as they do not have the circitry for amplifiying the data signal and supplying power to the MCL units after the expander.

If you are not able to find a expander replacement you could look into alternative options depending on how many link rooms you have and how easy it is to do new cabling in your home.

The BM5500 can be connected to Masterlink link room products with the addition of a Beolink Converter 1611 or 1612

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Guy wrote:

An observation: If you disconnect the ML cable after initiating the BL Active with PC, the source will continue to play and you can adjust volume using remote or IR puck buttons, but you cannot turn off using either remote or buttons.

Interesting observation. Maybe it’s only source selection and standby that needs Masterlink to work since volume control keeps working

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B3OHACK3R wrote:

Madskp wrote:

So my question to the datalink bits and bytes experts of this forum is if the handshake between a Master unit and a datalink Beocord/Beogram require a microchip with some software, or if it could be solved by a more simple electronic circiut?

Yes, it requires some kind of software and a microcontroller to “fake” that connection. The datalink protocol between BeoGram and a master is much simpler than the “Audio Aux Link” datalink but in any case you are not getting away with it without faking a digital message on the data pin.

Thanks for the answer. Was really hoping for a simple identifier like a certain resistor value or something.
But of course for the intended purpose of the product from B&O’s side this should not be an issue

Thanks again for clarifying

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Great with an answer from Oneremote, even though its not a clear answer.

Guy wrote:

My BL Active is SW1.1 also. Leaving aside connection of a OneRemote source, it could be worth trying a later SW BL Active (1.3 or 1.5?) to see if that works stand-alone with a source to the PC input – anyone able to do so?

my recent testings in this thread was with a BL Active SW 1.6, and that does not operate stand alone.

There could of course have been a version in between that was working differently.

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You will need a Beolink converter type 1611 between the BC9500 and the Beolink NL/ML converter. The 1611 converter will translate between Masterlink and the datalink interface on the BC9500.

As for appearance in the app others might chime in, but I believe it will show up as the NL/ML converter

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