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I also can confirm that netradio work on my Beoplay V1 TV.
Two thoughts about ehat could be the issue:
1) If the software on the BV11 is to old it mitght need a manuel update vis USB to come up to date and be able to communicate with B&O servers.
2) I can’t remember if you can set the time and date on the TV, but if so be sure that it is correct. A Windows computer is not able to update if the time and date is wrong, so guees that also could apply for a TV.
Just some random thoughts. Hope it can help
The 1611 might also be replaced by a 1614 in this scenario. At least I have tested something like that working at one point https://forum.beoworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Beolik-Converter-Usecases-6.pdf
You do like a good experiment don’t you @Madskp! I have both a 1611 and a 1614, but my MCL2AV did break a little while ago. I am looking out for another one.
Yep experimenting and testing is my thing 😉
I will probably look more into this setup type during the summer as I have 4 untested MCL2AV’s that I like to know if are working or not. So good to have some different test setups to try
CharlieWednesday wrote: As for th alternarive possible MCL2AV solution you give – I did have an MCL2AV only recently but had to return it to the seller as it failed after a short while. Madskp’s diagram does have a note bottom-right though saying this solution would not work if a Beosound was used as the audio master, soi I assume Madskp means that my Beosound 4 is not an alternative to a Beoport in this case. I think that a Beosound cannot directly replace the Beoport because in his example the BL1611 is acting as the audiomaster (only a BL1611 can do this, not a BL1614), and effectively the Beoport is a link product. There may be a work around but I will have to defer to madskp’s greater experience of such setups!
If this setup was to work the BS4 should be setup as a link room (option 5 or 6) and the 1611 would works as the Audiomaster (which is why the 1614 cannot be used).
I just tried with my Beocenter 2 in option 5 – 1611 converter – MCL2AV in option 2 – Beogram.
The commands would the be Link commands used for activating the Beogram in the “main room” (the MCL2AV).
However I can not get that to work, and I think I also have tried something similar when I made the different setup pages which might explain why I did not make one with a Beosound and the MCL2AV
I can not figure out why it is not working as it should be possible to have a Beosound setup as a link room and get sources from a main room
There are also kits available for mounting in several models here (Danish homepage) https://claudius-elektronik.dk/designs-og-l-sninger.html
The Beolab 3500 will probably not support the A.AUX command. according to this thread https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/36474.aspx this is first supported from SW ver. 3.33 in the BL3500
My BL3500 is at SW2.0 and supports A.AUX (whereas my BL2000 at SW1.1 doesn’t). I think Keith’s post in that linked thread is a bit confusing – there were a few other anomalies spotted when we were testing BL3500 with BL1611.
I just did a test with my Beocenter 2 and 2 Beolab 3500’s with SW 2.0 and 3.1 respectivly, and I was able to active A.AUX on both BL3500’s and make them activate the source on the BC2. So that confirms indeed that it should be working.
One annoying thing though – the Beo4 does not seem to have ‘L-A.Aux’ available as an extra button, so I would not be able to select that source using my Beo4 on my Beolab 350
The Beolab 3500 will probably not support the A.AUX command. according to this thread https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/36474.aspx this is first supported from SW ver. 3.33 in the BL3500
My Essence doesn’t seem to be supplying any voltage to a disconnected IR wire, so perhaps there is a Firmware problem (hopefully not a hardware problem, but we’ll see).
Ok good to at least know that the problem is in the essence itself and don’t come down to a comptability issue (would not expect that either based on what we know about B&O IR eyes).
Hopefully it can be solved by replacing the firmware, but I guess you can not just download an older one yourself and try?
And I will let the setup be conencted for now, so let me know if there are other things that migth make sense to test
I forgot to measure the voltages while I had it connected. Will try to connect it again during the weekend and do some measurements
Ok got the setup with the NL/ML converter up and running again. Measuring arround 1.2-1.3V between ground and IR data when no command is used on the BEO4, rising to arround 4V when a command is used from the BEO4, so opposite reaction from when used with a ML or MCL product, but higher voltages than you see.
If I disconnect the IR data wire I meassure Arround 1V on the IR data srew terminal on the Eye, and arround 4.95V on the loose wire from the NL/ML converter.
Hope it can be usefull. In any case I got arround to make the adapter which is nice to have for easy connection until I eventually find a resonable price one with JOIN button.
I forgot to measure the voltages while I had it connected. Will try to connect it again during the weekend and do some measurements
I have now made and adapter from RJ45 to 7 Pin female DIN so I can connect a ML IR eye to my NL/ML converter (only ground, +5V and IR data signals are connected in the adapter).
I have tested it with the NL/ML converter in stand alone mode with line in input and an active speaker + the IR eye connected.
I can control volume, set it to standby and activate it agin with a BEO4, so seems to be working with the wirering specified for the NL/ML converter.
The settings for IR in the NL/ML converter are option 1, 2 or 4, and thats it, so might be different that on the Essence.
Ag good – at least I have an alternative then. If I can’t get an MCL2P I’ll get a Beolink Passive and an IR Eye, and connect it to my ML Distributor. The Beolink Passive amps come up cheap on eBay sometimes, but the IR Eye demands a much higher price. I have occasionally seen them sold as a package through (a 1657 with an IR Eye) so I might look out for that.
It is possible to hook up another type of IR eye to it like the MCL type. You will loose the volume control functionality on it though
Could I connect a Beolink Passive such as the 1657 to that via Masterlink, or could I connect the 1657 directly to my Beocenter vas Powerlink? I know this would mean I would also need the newer IR Eye as the older rectangular type that I already have would not work, but would this alternative (made up of newer components) work?
You can connect it to Masterlink and have it function as a link room with the IR eye attached.
If you connect it to powerlink the IR eye can not be used. When conencted to powerlink it can either function as a amplifier for passive speakers or as a converter from Powerlink to MCL which is redundant with the system you have (this option is for use with for example Beocenter 2300/2500 which does not have an amplifier built in)
A little down this page looks to confirm that the wirering for the Essence and the NL/ML converter is the same although different color coding is used in the examples
https://forum.recordere.dk/bo-din-kabler-connection-div-diy_topic7820_page47.html
I can’t remember if I ever dif try an IR eye on my NL/ML converter. If I find some time I will take a look at how that reacts
Measuring IR wire when disconnected gives 0v at Essence, and 1.2V at sensor, the latter increases to approx 4V when IR transmitting. It is behaving as if the Essence is expecting IR data on a different pin!
Yes I think your IR eyes are fine but the Essence is not putting the IR voltage out.
One thing i note when looking at the wirering diagrams for the IR eyes in the Beolink Handbook is that Essence and Core for that matter is not mentioned. I would expect the wirering to be as for the Beolink Converter NL/ML, but you never know.
I will find something else to connect the ML sensor to – maybe BL Active or Passive, and see how the voltages change.
Good idea to have the understanding of how it should work.
BTW. could there be a software issue with the Essence, like feature removal in newer versions og first added after ceartain software revision? Pure guesswork from here
So is the 5V at the IR data produced by the powered IR eye or does it come from the source (Essence or MCL2AV)?
I just tried to disconnect the IR data pin on the MCL2 AV. On the screw terminal of the MCL2AV I hav 4.95V. on the loose wire from the IR eye I have arround 2.6 volt. As I understand this type of signaling the tramitting part should try to pull the voltage down.
Where you are measuring the 1V and 0.4V could you try to disconnect the wires to see if voltage from the IR eye differes from that from the Essense?
Also when connected can you meassure a voltage around 5V between ground and IR data screw terminal of the IR eye? No, it’s about 0.4V If yes can you see the voltage changing when pressing a key on the BEO4? Pressing transmit shows momentary change from 0.4V to about 1V
That does not sound right. I just double checked on a MCL2AV, and the voltage between ground and IR data is normally 4.95V and drops to some place between 4 and 5 V depending on the key pressed. I have also seen this behaviour on other setups.
One thing you could do is to meassure on the bare ends of the rest of the wires in the network cable if any of them have a voltage arround 5V. That could indicate if the Essence has a different wirering.
I have connected exactly as in the diagram above, with just +5v, Gnd and IR data connected,
Not having any knowledge of the inner workings of the Essence I have a few thoughts regarding the cabeling, although I know you are pretty capable withe the B&O IR eyes.
- Have you used a cut over network cable to make the connection? I have seen some network cables that do not follow the standard color coding for example what comes first the white/orange or the orange.
- If possible can you check the connection between the RJ45 connector and the screw terminal in the IR eye for continuity?
- When connected can you measure 5V between Ground and +5V in the screw terminal of the IR eye?
- Also when connected can you meassure a voltage around 5V between ground and IR data screw terminal of the IR eye?
- If yes can you see the voltage changing when pressing a key on the BEO4?
Hope this can help you dertermine if it is an issue with the connection or the Essence itself
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