[Madskp]

Very nice and interesting to see how the dealers could help customers planning a link system

 

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Guy wrote:

I have a BeoCord 6000 (VHS) that did exactly that while my wife was watching a video – there was a loud shriek as smoke poured into the living room!  The smell just never went away so rather than replace the capacitor I simply took it to the recycling centre and replaced with a V8000 from my ‘store’.  It’s not like me to dispose of something repairable, and I regret it to this day.

Yes very persistent smell. Judging by other threads about B&O VHS repair you could have ended up in an endless loop on repairs over time anyway had you chosen to keep it.

Guy wrote:

In the past I have tried to fully restore every Beo4 that I come across but I can no longer get new DTV/DVD (non-navi) keyboards, so I may well start dismantling some for spares and swapping parts around more than I have in the past.

To bad if these keyboards can not be sourced anymore. But swapping parts might also be a good strategy to make use of what is in stock.

By the way when will you have enough BEO4’s? 😉

Guy wrote:

Have a great weekend all! 😀

You too 🙂

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Guy wrote:

The simple option would be to buy this house but it is just missing that one extra room just for me and my stuff 😀

Very important to have that room 🙂 Hope you do find a suitable new home in the near future

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Rolf2 wrote:

I only have a fraction of that but already struggle to store my B&O in our house and its rooms

Also the problem for me with two kids in the house, so the attic is where it is possible, but also limits how much extra I should get

Rolf2 wrote:

I really like that Beocave in the attic, cozy and full of iconic B&O, with lovely details like e. g. the Beo 4 and BL 1000 MK III (?) held in wall brackets, framing the window and the starship.

Thanks for the compliments 🙂

Rolf2 wrote:

I hope I may add some pictures of the B&O I use and have installed in my office at home. It is my working space, but also my own special room to use, repair and test my new and old B&O, for watching movies or sports. As you can see, it is a combination of different eras, systems, speakers and other units of the B&O world.

Very nice. I always liked the Beolab 3000/4500/5000 flat panel speakers, and would also like to get a pair, but they are very hard to fit into the attic room.

Can you use the MCP’s with the Beocenter 9500 (is it a 9500?) or are they just collectors items?

 

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[Madskp]

My Playmaker let out the magic dmoke one day. Turned out it was one of the filter caps in the power supply that exploded

It smelled a lot like smoke and the smell was not gone before a week. I can still smell something inside it.

Today I replaced both filter caps snd it looks like it is running again

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square4 wrote:

is Beogram 3000 described in the 1967 calendar?

Henrik.

I could not find it, only Beogram 1000V and 1000VF

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Peter wrote:

I essentially stopped audio when they stopped doing touch sensitive controls, only going back for the BC2 with the touch sensitive aluminium – very clever and I don’t know why the stopped this.

Yes the touch controls have always in my opinion been one of the magic things on B&O products. Today with touchscreens on everything it might not be that impressive for many though.

Peter wrote:

Laughably, the major use of my Moment is to allow an Amazon Dot to play through Beolab 4000s via the line input!

Yeah the limitations on some of these digital sources from B&O has always been a showstopper for me. The only reason I got a BS5 last year was that I could get it so cheap now that I could experiment a little with it without breaking the bank.

Peter wrote:

I do have a close typed list of all I had – on three pages!  However I am slowly recovering!

Gesundheit 🙂

 

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skolesen wrote:

Funny, I can see that I was born on a Thursday in week 29 from your picture of the calendar of 1965.

🙂 if nothing else and old calender can be used for that

skolesen wrote:

I recal how to do the PCB layout with adhensive pads and traces. Done that a lot in the early 80’s when I in apprenticeship as electronics technician.

I have also done something similar myself in an after school electronic class, but the technic was a little different though I do no remember how. But I guess that it is a lot simpler with todays computer tools and PCB fabrication.

square4 wrote:

I also have some of these.

Well at least they had them most of the sixties it looks like. My father was hired to B&O in 1970 but he did not remember if they had them at that point. He did mention thought his boss in a former job in a little radio store always had one of them in his pocket, probably to make it easy to find prices to customers.

 

 

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Peter wrote:

This is a disease! It is contagious but can be treated – strict discipline from wife/partner required!

Indeed a disease 😀 I have this area for my self though, so it’s up to my own discipline and of course the space restraint if I want to be able to acces the equipment

Peter wrote:

I attach a few pictures – I have given away a huge amount and now just have a few remnants – though am now concentrating on buying the really silly bits!! Beosound 5 and Moment anyone?

Some collection you have had which I can also tell from some of your other posts, but the pictures do make it more impressive 😀

As for the Beosound 5 I have one as you can see in my pictures. I still have issues in learning how to control it with the 2 navigation wheels. Personally I do no find it super intuitive, but it might come with time and usage.

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[Madskp]

Also to make things easier in the room that is set to option 4 it is possible to program a BEO4 remote so it as standard put out Link + commands.

Og course if you bring the remote(s) between rooms this will not be an advantage

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I guess that it is link rooms you are talking about?

It is possible to set one of them in Option 4. This way you will need to press Link before the commands to that IR eye, and the other vil not react to it.

With a Beolink 1000 this can be done by pressing Link, 4, Play

Be sure to cover the other IR eye while you do this or that will also be set to that option

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Millemissen wrote:

That will be hard to beat 😉 MM

maybe by connected and useable units per cubic meter, but I guess there are members with way bigger collections 😀

I have made it so the systems can be turned on individually and be easilly linked togheter be it Masterlink or Datalink (MCL is on its way)

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One extra thought. I have not come across any any info on how the code switches in the MCL82 should be set if it is used with a Beomaster 8000, but it might be in a manual for the MCL-Beolab kit if that is to be found anywhere.

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Glitch wrote:

I would expect that certain IR wavelengths would make it easier for the receiver to pick up the signal. At point blank range, there is likely enough “bleed through” or overlap for not perfectly matched parts to still work. I recall reading the B&O had issues with sunlight falsely triggering some systems and having to all physical light filters. I don’t remember what systems were affected, but removing any filters for testing might help. The blue LED comment doesn’t make sense to me since this is at the wrong end of the light spectrum. Unless blue was used as a indicator for a human to see the activity without interfering with the IR.

Thinking of it I think I saw a picture of the IR emitter at one point and it was encapsuled in a little black box. Maybe it has a window with blue glass on one side.

Glitch wrote:

Maybe I need to expand my eBay searches to include “unmarked B&O black box”. 😉

Oh yeas that could be a lottery ticket. However without markings most Ebay sellers might not even know its B&O.

Glitch wrote:

Interesting test. Have you considered hooking up a oscilloscope and comparing any of the signals to the code tables in the service manuals?

I do not have an oscilloscope, so no go there.

Glitch wrote:

I’m in a similar situation with having some, but not all that is needed to run a good test.

I might be willing to sell the MCL Beolab kit to you if you can find use of it, and judging by some of your threads, you have some BM6000 and BM8000 so a lot better basis for use of it than me. PM me and I am sure we can find out something.

Glitch wrote:

I think that I’m getting motivated enough to buy a Beomaster 5000 and MCP5000 for test purposes. It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done something like this where the tail is wagging the dog.

I am also considering getting a Beosystem 5000 (I already have a Beocord 5000 and a CD50) and try to use a MCL82 link room with that.

Glitch wrote:

Yes, it is a sickness.

Indeed 🙂 thats why we have our little therapy group here at Beoworld

 

Glitch wrote:

p.s. I’m jealous of your pile of cables. 😉

yeah always good to have something for all connection needs

 

 

 

 

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Just did a wire up of a MCL82 box with IR tranceiver and the MCL-Beolab kit.

I set the jumper in the MCL-Beolab kit to 8V as the other option of 5V did not give enough power to the MCL82, so also the role of the MCL-Beolab kit is to power the MCL network. As I only have a Terminal 5000 remote i set the switches in the MCL82 to Beomaster 5000

So what I can do is to activate the speaker relay in the MCL82 box with the speaker button on the tranceiver so the relay part is working. With the remote all buttons except mut seems to active the relay to active, and the mute button will turn the relay to inactive.

On the MCL-Beolab Kit I can measure that the data signal from the MCL82 is dropping in voltage when a button is pressed, and also on the pins for the IR diode I can see a little drop in voltage when a button is pressed, so it is probably working.

I wonder why all button presses except mute makes the speaker realy go active but of course the terminal 5000 remote was not intended for use with the Beolab MCL kit, so with the right data connection to a Beomaster 5000 it might react different.

I do not have anymore ideas for testing it right now as I do not have any of the other remote types and/or music systems for this to work with. I still have it wired up so can try to test something if you have any ideas

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Glitch wrote:

I hope that I’m not hijacking your thread. If so, I’ll “cease and desist” and maybe start a new thread.

Very ok, and also very relevant to the subject 🙂

Glitch wrote:

My (likely incomplete) understanding is that it just supports a subset of the remote commands that are relayed via a IR->wired->IR chain

Yes something like that as the BM 6000 and 8000 does not have any data communication for link rooms, so the MCL-Beolab Kit with an IR sender is needed to activate and make control commands to the Beomaster.

Glitch wrote:

The documentation that I’ve found isn’t exactly clear and concise. I’ve found this old thread, https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/14327/126573.aspx which answers some questions.

I have also looked into that thread and there seems to be some confusion which I can understand as the document about the code converter not is 100% clear in relation to product names and numbers.

Glitch wrote:

It looks like the port for the “IR eye” is a simple 3.5mm jack. If so, do you think that a generic IR emitter would work? It seems possible if all it needs to do is pass IR commands into the BM8000.

I think it is actually a 2.5mm jack and probably only with two pins (I will look further into that). I do no have that much knowledge about IR emitters, if they have to be for a certain frequency. The Code converter manual mentions a cable with mini plug and a blue LED.

Glitch wrote:

Could the box be the “code converter” mentioned in the old thread?

Pretty sure it is not. The code converter do have more connectors. Having looked deeply into the code converter manual I am almost sure the box I have is the MCL-Beolab kit.

To my best of understanding this is how it works:

The Code converter can make it possible to use a Beolink 1000 to control the mentioned systems. If used with a BM6000/8000 a IR emitter has to be connected to the code converter to get the control signals to them. This can be done with or without a MCL30/82 link system

The MCL Beolab Kit is used to get data control signals from MCL82 or MCL30 link rooms into a BM8000 or BM6000 as none of them have the MCL data connection.

The Code converter ad the MCL Beolab kit can be used in parralel as I read, and that is what is shown on a drawing in the code converter manual. This way the main room can be controlled with a Beolink 1000 and the link rooms will still use the relevant remote intended for the Beomaster.

I have tried to isolate the code converter part and the MCL Beolab kit part here with the code converter in the red box. The green line indicates a connection to MCL rooms when the code converter is not used.

Hope this makes sense.

I might try to hook up a MCL82 link room unit and the MCL-Beolab kit with a LED connected to see if remote commands are passed through to the LED.

 

 

 

 

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Glitch wrote:

Anyway, here is a picture of the circuit board in the off chance that it is useful to you.

Thanks for sharing and intersting to see at least three variations of components for what i eessntialy the same product. But they might have been produced over a certain period to be able to let the customers expand their link system.

Glitch wrote:

Is this useful for hooking up to anything other than the equipment listed on the diagram?

Acording to this page https://beoworld.org/master-control-link-mcl30-mcl82/ it can also be used with a Beomaster 8000, but aperently some modification of the link boxes are needed and also the MCL-Beolab kit type 1006. So not that versatile as the newer Beolink 1000 compatible MCL and ML link systems.

 

 

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Guy wrote:

The 6-pin DIN matches the connection for the Beomaster 7000 external IR sensor

That was also my thought, and apperently it was also used for the external IR sensor for the code converter for MCL82 and MCL30.

Guy wrote:

but I can’t recall any B&O applications for the 5-pin 270 degree DIN (wikipedia shows DIN 45327, or domino/dice arrangement)

Me neither. Some searching on the DIN 45327 it seems like it has been used for stereo headphones on some audio equipment.

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[Madskp]

There is a little info in this older thread, but it does not seems to be conclusive https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/8365.aspx . There is mentioning of the A.aux command, but since you can not activate your BS4 with it it must have some difference in the remote codes

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Madskp wrote:

2 more boxes without markings that are probably also MCL82 units although on the inside the components are different than on the unit above:

Just to clarify this I have taken a photo of the inside of the box that are marked MCL82 (left) and one with no markings on it (right)

There are many similarities, but the PCB has some changes to the layout and some component are newer. I seems like the one on the left also has a footprint for the large relay that is on the other one though.

 

And just while I was at it I also took a photo of the inside of one of the MCL30 boxes. Looks even newer component wise than the 2 MCL82 boxes:

 

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