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This thread reminded me that I still have Beoplayer installed on my PC – not connected to anything else B&O (apart from the A2 Active that I use as a speaker for my desktop).
Playing music on it now! (from my QNAP NAS)
Do you have any ideas about inspecting a pickup besides listening to it?
Sorry but my Beogram/MMC experience is limited to my BG6500 (Beoworld Xmas Prize Draw win), its SMMC4 and a single LP – Dire Straits, Brothers in Arms ?
I am sure that other forum members can help out and will be along to offer advice …
Good to hear; I think that fitting a compatible RIAA to the BM6500 is a good idea that keeps the system as close to standard as possible.
According to the service manual, when the RIAA is installed there are three links on the original PCB that need to be cut to ensure that the phono signal is diverted via the RIAA. (EDIT: Actually one of these that needs to be cut is the connection to datalink pin 7, because non-RIAA-equipped Beogram use pin 6 for datalink)
I bought my ‘S’MMC4 from Soundsmith in the US. They also do SMMC1, 2, and 3 if your budget stretches further than mine!
is the software “open” to access without a temporary login as the on e the installators used to have?
When you open the configuration tool, you tick the ‘work offline’ check box and then you won’t need a password.
This thread may be of some help: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/10043/87230.aspx#87230
If only the pictures were there too! It could be worth asking Keith if he can find them, but I am not sure if this is possible.
Beoplayer runs fine on my 32-bit Win10 PC, although I haven’t actually connected the Beoport/PC2 for a while for a fuller check.
I have the impression, those softwares doesn’t scan all ripped CDs. Tehy are in st same folder, but can’t be seen on the Beoplayer interface. Scanning doesn’t help.
What file types are your ripped CDs? Beoplayer won’t find flac files – I think it may be limited to mp3s (and possibly wav) only.
Some of my previous Beoport/PC2 experiments/investigations are within the following threads:
https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/5529/49968.aspx#49968
https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-pc2-and-beo4-remote-on-macbook-pro-early-2015/
I can’t tell from those photos. Perhaps it will have to be opened to check.
are there any RIAA preamps that can be built in a Beogram 9500?
I really don’t know. There are lots of similarities between the RIAA and non-RIAA beograms (they share a service manual) but I am not sure if an RIAA (either B&O or third-party) will physically fit or be compatible.
In the shared service manual there is only one circuit diagram covering BGs 3000, 3300, 3500, 4500, 5005, 5500, 6500, 8500, 9000, 9500 and TX2. This shows the RIAA as a discrete PCB (PCB4, part number 8005269) but annotated to say ‘only in Beogram 3500/4500 and 6500’.
Perhaps other forum members have better knowledge of the Beograms; it could be worth starting another thread titled ‘Retrofitting RIAA in Beogram 9500’.
EDIT: You can see pictures of an internal RIAA in this document – para 7: https://www.condoraudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Projects/BeoGram-4500-Turntable-Restoration-Repair.pdf
it might have the RIAA and looks a lot like this picture.
If there was an RIAA it would possibly be visible just to the right of the board with the two blue connectors, but the RIAA board would be mounted vertically but perpendicular to the rear panel of the BM.
If it doesn’t have a built-in RIAA
If you do need to look inside the Beomaster, I now know where the RIAA board would be fitted! It’s rear left of the pre-amp PCB, fitted vertically about 5 cm inboard of the antenna socket. To see if you may have to pivot the Tuner board upwards into its service position.
If you look carefully at this eBay listing, on the bottom left of the fourth photo you can see a row of holes labelled ‘RIAA’ (just visible!) into which the board would be soldered: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255129827540
Good luck with the move to Spain!
Many congratulations to all winners!!
However, it was jolly quiet tonight ?
Either:
– The cost of living crisis has bitten and people can no longer afford broadband, or…
– End of month, hence ‘millionaire’s Friday’ (payday) and everyone’s out on the town! ????
Hurry up! At least two people are waiting … ?
A further thought: You have said that you will hide the BM6500 away. One of the reasons that (in later models) B&O moved the RIAA from the Beomaster to the Beogram was to allow Beograms to be sited further away from the Beomaster. By fitting the RIAA in the Beogram, a stronger signal was sent and a longer cable could be used.
With this in mind, you may wish to go for the Iconic-AV RIAA pre-amp and connect it quite close to the Beogram.
There’s so much to think about!
How can I find out if the RIAA is already fitted?
Not at all sure! I would hope that it is written on the label. The part number of the RIAA was 8001245.
You could test it with your BG9500. If not fitted then it would simply be very low level sound.
Or you could open it up and look for the small RIAA board which is plugged into the pre-amp PCB – I am not sure exactly where. Perhaps someone esle on the forum knows!
As an aside, I just found this FB post from earlier this year making reference to a chap called Søren Claudius who makes a retro fit RIAA module – he says it’s for BM7000 but I think the same module would fit the 6500. Have a look here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2263448640/posts/10160172517103641/?comment_id=10160172597758641
No problem. If you’re really lucky the BM6500 may have RIAA fitted!
Can overture control Beogram and command it to play, Stop, pause, skip forward or backwards?
Yes, it can do all of these. You can select from the front panel with AUX and it will recognise that a Beogram is connected and show PHONO on the display. You can also select with a remote using AUX or PHONO (or N.RADIO on a later Beo4). Remember that skipping forwards/backwards isn’t a track search as such – you are just moving the arm.
This thread describes Beogram control, albeit with a BG6500:https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/p/28933/227854.aspx#227854
Unlike with the BG6500, your BG9500 will still need that RIAA add-on.
EDIT: Don’t be tempted by a later Beosound 3000/3200. Although these have a 7-pin aux socket, they do not have the datalink function hence will not control a Beogram.
And there are pictures of a genuine RIAA board attached to the first couple of posts here: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/7576/67094.aspx#67094
I doubt that it’s still for sale!
All the belts that you need are available from Beoparts here: https://www.beoparts-shop.com/product-category/beosound/beosound-ouverture/
Further to the above, Iconic-AV do indeed still exist (based near me!) and also have a number of items listed on eBay here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/iconicav?_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2563
I can’t see the RIAA pre-amp box listed but it could be worth getting in touch.
Great diagram – very clear!
I do think that you will have to use a Beomaster in order to then adopt one of Carolpa’s options. However, some observations:
- If you decide to use a BM7000, be aware that not all (not many?) are fitted with RIAA amplifiers which will be required for your BG9500.
- You could get rid of the BL1611 by using an audiomaster such as Beosound Ouverture, which as far as I know is the only Beomaster with both ML and datalink. However, you would still need an RIAA stage.
- In order to solve the RIAA requirement whilst still using datalink you could look for (or build) something like this (I am not sure if Iconic AV are still in business): https://www.iconic-av.co.uk/item/1321/RIAA+Pre-Amplifier+with+Datalink+for+BeoGrams/
- If connected as shown, then in Room 2 you would have a phase difference (sound delay) between the Beolab 11 and the Beosound Levels. The output from the Beomaster (and direct to the BeoLab 11) is analogue, but is converted to digital in the ML/NL converter (hence delay) and further converted back to analogue in the Levels (hence more delay). This is the reason why mixed ML NL systems often use a NL/ML delay box to ‘delay’ the analogue part of the system (ML) to match the digital part (NL). In your setup, such a box could only be introduced to match BM7000 output (to Beolab 11) to NL sources, not the other way around!
I think Beojeff has a valid point and was quite right to raise it. However, I am not convinced that this Forum is the right place to discuss such a sensitive and potentially contentious issue.
I am going to lock this thread temporarily, have an ‘offline’ chat with the other Moderators and then get back to Beojeff with some feedback and thoughts. Please be patient while we look into this.
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