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BeoLink 1000 still works (transmit), but no reaktion on the receiving side. I will see in the next time what’s necessary to do.
The BC9500 may be in A.OPT 0, where it doesn’t react to IR remote control commands.
To resolve this, with the system in standby, press SOUND, 2, STORE on the Beolink 1000. the Beocenter should briefly display a ‘2’ on its display top-right.
Then try remote control again.
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Bump just to check the thread is visible to all including non-moderators! Hopefully the first post is back as it should be!
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There are quite a few threads in the second Archived Forum about this subject, with some suggestions for third-party devices that will allow light control with Beo4 etc. It’s probably worth a search to find others.
Here’s an example: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/36376/271647.aspx#271647
As stated in that thread, I have been very happy with my LightManager Pro for Beo4 light control – so much so that I purchased a second one from a forum member. Unfortunately they are no longer made by JBMedia, but it could be worth keeping an eye on eBay – probably German eBay as they were popular there (JBMedia is a German company).
I wouldn’t go down the LC2 route unless you enjoy getting your soldering iron out to replace capacitors! They are also very fussy about the type of bulb that is used.
I am sure that other forum members have experience of other solutions.
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I have just tested again after just over 12 hours of standby – all still working as before!
One other thing that I forgot to mention. I tried setting the Apple TV ‘delay before Apple TV automatically turns off’ to 5 minutes and left the system running. After 5 minutes, the Apple TV does turn off but there is no ‘off’ message sent to the TV, so it stays on. If it had switched off the TV then this would have been useful for turning off the ‘system’ after airplay ceases. I suppose you can always set the TV to go to standby automatically instead – I can set the BV10-32 to do so after one hour.
One other aside: I bought a new bracket to mount this smaller 3rd gen ATV behind my TV and can recommend this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C4PQ7R32
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CD and PHONO also seems identical, but I haven’t pushed the investigation enough to confirm that.
They are identical enough that the CD connector on a MCL2AV can control a Beogram
Again, looking at the OneRemote setup, but this time with datalink. Different OneRemote cablelink setup codes are required depending upon whether you want to control via CD (204) or PHONO (206). This suggests that there may be a difference.
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Thanks for testing. Indeed I must have mixed up something then. So the 1611 cannot switch between the two different datalink protocols.
This is also demonstrated when setting up a OneRemote radio to work when connected to a BeoLink Converter 1611. If connected to a datalink-capable beocenter, my OneRemote is programmed with a 3-digit cablelink code starting with a 2 or 3 (eg 302, 206). If connected to a TV (via SCART) or to BeoLink Converter 1611, the cablelink code starts with a 4 (eg 402, for control via Beolink Converter 1611 using A.TAPE to select). Thus cablelink codes starting 2 or 3 are datalink, whereas 4XX signifies AAL.
More details in this post: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/9/#post-14354
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When you mention that you have to turn off the TV manually can this be done with the remote app on the iphone if the siri remote is placed stationary?
Yes, that’s what I meant to say although I can see how the word manually was ambiguous! After airplaying, the iPhone remote app can be used to turn it all off.
I have just tested again after the siri remote has been untouched/unmoved for 3 hours, and the functions all do still work. Next ‘sleep’ test will be overnight.
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So I have now just tested turning on the TV (BV10-32) via AirPlay and/or using the iPhone/iPad remote.
First I turned off my TV’s digital internal tuner and assigned the Apple TV to the ‘TV’ input.
In the Apple TV menu, I changed ‘Turn On Your TV with Your Remote’ to ‘On’.
I placed the Siri Gen 3 remote so that it was pointing towards the TV.
First I tried the iPhone remote function, and was able to turn on/off the BeoVision and Apple TV using just the little power button symbol on the top right of the iPhone’s remote screen. I tried this several times to make sure that the siri remote was not disconnecting when turned off. I viewed the end of the siri remote with an iPad camera and could see the IR pulses transmitting ‘on’ and ‘off’ commands.
I then turned the Beovision and Apple TV to standby and tried airplaying – this worked perfectly to turn the Beovision and Apple TV on and start airplay. It doesn’t turn off when you stop airplaying, so you have to turn off manually as previously. (I may try later to see if the system goes to stand-by a little while after airplay stops, but I doubt that this will happen.)
I will now leave the Apple TV sleeping, and leave the siri remote perfectly stationary to see if it goes to ‘sleep’ and stops working as outlined above. I will test in a couple of hours, and if that it successful I will leave overnight. I am not using the siri remote charging cable at this stage.
If there is anything that I haven’t covered please let me know and I will test further.
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One use case for both DL and ML could be to actually control a Beogram from a Masterlink only product (BS Ouverture, BC2, BS4, BS5 and Beovisions with ML). Would probably need the use of some alternative source commands to make this work,
A trivial correction, but BS Ouverture does have datalink – you were probably thinking of BS3000/3200 which are ML-only. ?
Following the thread with interest …
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I have now edited the first post with updated info.
That looks great – many thanks for updating and especially the diagrams and remote names. I don’t think there’s anything missing but am sure that we will come up with more advice as we experiment further!
@Guy can you confirm if the Apple TV setup screen still looks like the screenshot in the post?
Similar but more complex now – see below:
(Note that there is an additional partially visible ‘Clickpad’ menu item above ‘Touch Surface Tracking’. This enables you to toggle between ‘Click and Touch’ or ‘Click Only’.)
(Sorry for slightly distorted image – AFAIK there is no ‘screenshot’ facility on Apple TV and I don’t have a ‘mac’ with which there is apparently a workaround).
With my BV10-32 the digital tuner is using ‘TV’, hence I normally have ‘Turn On Your TV …’ set to ‘Off’, and my siri gen 3 volume control will work with either ‘Auto via IR(TV)’ (as displayed above), or simply ‘TV via IR’.
If I find time I will try to test the ‘airplay’ initiation, albeit accepting that the siri remote will select the wrong input for my setup.
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BC9500 only has Opt 1 and 2 as far as I know.
its possibly worth just disconnecting the BC2 in the first instance, and see how the BC9500 performs.
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I would maybe also try some fault finding by swapping ML cables/connections – or move the BL3500 to bedroom 2 to test the ML cable to there. You may have tried this already.
You could also try a different datalink cable (fully wired 7-pin) between BC9500 and Converter.
EDIT: There may be a conflict due to having two ML audiomasters (the Beolink converter acts as one, plus the BC2)
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Is the Beolink Converter definitely connected to the BC9500’s TV/AUX input? (not the TAPE 2).
And have you tried different sequences of powering everything up (Beolink Converter last?) and then setting option settings with the entire system at stand-by?
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When you describe the a.tape a.aux commands etc. Is this a remote control?
A.TAPE and A.AUX are source commands that could/would be sent by a B&O remote control (or by operating the front panel of a B&O audiomaster (audio unit with tuner/cd player etc).
Presumably same remote works in each room?
Yes indeed!
What remote would I need?
You could get the system to work with the older BeoLink 1000 – see here
But I would probably go for a Beo4. several different types are available as shown below: (Click to enlarge):
Any of the above will work. The middle one is probably the most plentiful 2nd hand (approx £30-£50 on UK eBay) – the third row of buttons should read DTV DVD CD and there is a GO button in the centre of the arrows. Don’t be tempted by a Hotel version that has very different buttons and much reduced funtionality.
EDIT: Beaten to it by MM!!! The more the merrier! ?
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Hi Steve, and welcome to Beoworld!
The only adjustable glass topped adjustable stand that I can think of is the ST6500 (but your width measurement would be wrong)
If that’s not it, perhaps post a photo and I am sure someone will be able to help.
EDIT: There’s a picture of the same stand in white attached to the post here: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/46915/337133.aspx#337133
I did find a Beomaster 6500 service manual with the stand listed as ‘Type 2095’, but it could be that 2090 is for a different colour.
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One other test:
I just connected my older 1st gen (no white circle) siri remote to the new 3rd gen Apple TV 4K. It works fine including IR volume control of the TV.
However, when I then connect the 3rd gen siri remote back to the 3rd gen Apple TV, the 1st gen siri remote stops controlling volume, even when the Apple TV is turned off and the Beovision playing normal off-air TV.
I worked out that you need to get the 3rd gen Apple TV to ‘forget’ the 1st gen remote. I re-connected the 1st gen remote to my 3rd gen Apple TV, and then put the remote in the garage where is was out of range. I then used my iPhone to control the Apple TV, went to the ‘remote’ option and there was an option to ‘forget’ the 1st gen siri remote. I then re-connected the 3rd gen siri remote.
Bringing the 1st gen siri remote back into the room, it would control B&O TV volume again without being connected to the Apple TV.
A bit confusing but I hope this makes sense! ?
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Just wanted to add a minor observation: Although that linked site lists remote FW as 0x033, it is actually displayed on the 3rd gen ATV as 0x33:
(I think that the older ATV’s showed the second ‘0’ – can’t check as mine is now disconnected)
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Can you confirm whether it’s only volume control or also the TV command that works with both firmware versions?
Unfortunately I cannot be sure about the earlier remote firmware. To be honest I didn’t expect it to update so quickly hence am not sure when it did! When you check your parents’, perhaps check the remote FW first – maybe it hasn’t updated because it hasn’t been connected/used in their setup.
I forgot to mention yesterday that the siri remote Mute button also works to mute the TV by IR. (Older siri remotes did not have a mute button).
If you need other excuses to buy stuff let me know and I’ll try to make a thread about it
No excuses required! I bought another Beolink Converter 1611 this week on a whim, because it was cheap!
On another note are you able to check if the 1st gen remote with the white cirkle still has the same firmware version as in the old post 0x0118? I have checked on mine without the white cirkle and it is still the same.
I sold the white circle remote on eBay and replaced it with the more useful ‘non-white circle’ version. However, I found this useful site that confirms the latest release as 0x0118: https://appledb.dev/device/ATVRemote1,2.html
It may be worth copying their naming convention, as they call the white circle version ‘Siri Remote (1st generation, Rev A)’. The site also shows that the non-white-circle remote is still at FW 0x0257. All remotes are shown here: https://appledb.dev/device-selection/Remote.html
EDIT: Forgot the add that siri volume control is still working well this morning. It works even when the Apple TV is switched off.
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I have paid various prices over the last 10 years or so, and have always found the ‘Cameron Sino’ 700mAh ones to work very well.
Amazon UK link here for ref: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002MPYM3W
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Okay so today (prompted by Maskp’s posts above and to satisfy my curiosity) I purchased an Apple TV 4K (3rd Generation) with Wifi and Ethernet (the A2843 model) to use with my ageing BV10-32. This came with the 3rd generation siri remote with USB-C charging port as mentioned above.
Annoyingly I forgot to try the siri remote volume control before connecting the Apple TV to the TV, but gave it a try during setup, and it worked straight away to control the TV’s volume by IR!
Great news! However about 20 minutes later (after I had completed the rest of the setup, including tvOS17.0 update) it stopped working. In my frustration I reset the Apple TV to factory settings and TV volume control starting working again.
So it would appear that B&O have re-introduced the B&O IR codes to the latest 3rd generation siri remote. I did a quick check of the remote’s firmware version – it was initially 0x21 but later updated automatically to 0x33 – both worked fine for volume control.
I did a quick test of setting the siri remote to turn the TV on and off (using ATV’s ‘Home Cinema control’) and it sent the expected IR signals and when turning on would bring up ‘TV’ as previously (rather than DTV). Occasionally it would turn the TV off and then back on again a few seconds later – perhaps the ATV was getting extra messages from the TV’s STB/PUC. I have now deselected ‘Turn On Your TV with Your Remote’ to OFF as I won’t use this function.
Whilst playing around with settings the remote volume stopped working again, but I simply used Apple’s guide here to restart the remote and it started working again. It has worked well since but I will continue to test over the coming days.
So many thanks to madskp for spotting the return of this useful functionality and giving me an excuse to buy myself an early birthday present!
Other (non-thread related) observations about the latest ‘3rd generation’ Apple TV 4K follow:
- It’s slightly smaller than the 2nd generation ATV4K (5mm in width and depth, 4mm in height) hence potentially easier to hide in the back of a TV.
- It has a passive heatsink rather than the earlier version’s active fan.
- tvOS17 brings FaceTime ‘handoff’ to the ATV (not avail on my old ATV HD version), which is very useful. Great to be able to make FaceTime calls on the TV using the Beo4 remote, and have the iPhone’s camera follow you around the room. It will also show the caller as a pop-out whilst watching TV.
- The ATV’s IR sensor has moved back to the centre – picture below of what works for me (smaller bracket now required!):
I hope this is useful – @madskp it will be interesting to hear whether your parents’ siri remote is the same version with USB-C charging, and also how well it works with the much more modern Beoplay V1!!
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