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[Millemis]

Stan wrote:

@severed_hand The Marantz can’t multi-room with my Beosound in the adjoining bathroom. It also doesn’t work just like all the other beosounds with which my wife has finally become comfortable. I listened to TV through stereo speakers for many years. I don’t understand the pushback. I’m not doing critical listening. It’s mostly background noise, but with better bass, treble and midrange than the weak built in speakers. If stereo is so odd, why do most tvs have 2 speakers?

Another point is that you can not control the Marantz with a Beoremote One.

 

The reason why most tv’s have two speakers, is that it is the easiest (and cheapest) way to do sound.
For decades tv programmes were 2 channel aka stereo natively, so there was no real need for audio processing for more channels.

Since those two speakers are located in the tv/with the screen, what we call a phantom center is mostly also heard coming from there.
The further away from the screen/the picture the external speakers are, the more this shifting of the phantom center can be disturbing…..especially for those who sit off axis.

For many years all B&O tv’s have had an option for creating a center channel, if you had connected external L/R speakers there also.
In the 90’s, when I had a BV6000, there was an option for creating a socalled ‘center balance’. This was before they started processing the sound in a modern sense.
Later – when the first Avant (the CTR tv) came, there was a ‘surround decoder’ built in, which made the two builtin speakers a center channel, if you had external speakers connected.

For the BV7 there was even a dedicated center channel speaker option (the BL7-4/BL10) – these BV’s had a surround decoder.

The new Avant had a 3 channel speaker system built in and in addition a multichannel processor for more speakers.
So does the Eclipse and the Harmony – also the Stage and the Theatre do have multiple speakers built in….the center being relatively powerfull.

From this point of view just having a set of L/R speakers with a tv is a retreat from what B&O untill now has offered as their ‘normal’ way of listening to audio from video sources.
Nowadays a lot of video material is multichannel (5.1 and more), which means that this has to be downmixed for the Beoconnect Core, which potentially will make the dialog less audible.
Something that you would not experience with a genuine 3-channel speaker setup.
There you have a wider seperation of left/right and a much more defined center.
That two speakers isn’t sufficient is also the reason for the popularity of soundbars nowadays.

Of course you may have become used to/get used to two channel tv sound, but it is far from optimal in most cases.
And it should not be praised so in the PR announcements for the BeoConnect Core:
Quote: “Simply plug in your screen and marvel as your B&O speakers transform movie nights into cinematic experiences”.
But, of course they want to sell speakers!

If you primarily use the box for 2 channel audio/stereo music, the box is fine – however, so was the Core and the Essence box.
Whether this box is better, only a test/daily use will tell.
For Shape users the COM port seems to be an improvement – also the USB-out could be beneficial for BL90/50 users.
For users with primarily Mozart based products the new Core may be the better choice.

If sound is just ‘background noice’, all this does not matter, of course ?

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

[Ravsted]

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Eclipse MKI with LG C3 Oled

[Ianc2]

I have read it is possible to add a later model 65” lg screen with different bracketry and modifying the eclipse aluminum slightly .

i will look at mine this weekend for a reminder , but i believe only hdmi and 1 rj45 connect to the screen , so in theory it could be used with any size/brand screen .

i have a spare Vizio tv i can try this with .

[johnjohnny]

Hi Mbee, I’m in a similar situation to yours.

I have got an Eclipse MK1, bought in early 2020; the TV was turned off for 8 months because I moved to a new town, 2 weeks ago I moved the TV in the new home but now it has some troubles. The TV doesn’t stay on, it powers off intermittently; in addition two vertical lines of pixels remains completely black.

I brought the TV to B&O service; to restore the TV I have to replace the motherboard, for switching off issue, an the panel, for the black pixels, for a total expense of 2400 €.

Could you explain in details what you did to mount the C3 TV on the eclipse? Do you have pictures of the result? Do all original functions works correctly?

Thank you

[johnjohnny]

Hi everyone,

I have got an Eclipse MK1, bought in early 2020; the TV was turned off for 8 months because I moved to a new town, 2 weeks ago I moved the TV in the new home but now it has some troubles. The TV doesn’t stay on, it powers off intermittently; in addition two vertical lines of pixels remains completely black. The soundcenter work correctly.
I brought the TV to B&O service; to restore the TV I have to replace the motherboard, for the switching off issue, an the panel, for the black pixels, for a total expense of 2400 €.

I’m evaluating whether to repair it or not, I’m thinking of buying a new oled LG tv.

In addition of the Eclipse I’ve got Beolab 8000 speakers, Beolab 2 sub, Beolab 3 speakers and a Beosound 35. If I buy the LG tv I would like to continue using the B&O speakers; is it possible to use the soundcenter as decoder between speakers and LG tv? Something like Beosound Theatre…

Otherwise what device do I need?

Thank you in advance.

[Ianc2]

I have an eclipse and get complaints whenever I watch a movie loud !!

did you look at filtering and go to sub and turn level up ?

if you flatten the levels in settings , then use the remote volume to get the center to a level you are happy with , enable the sub and set the level to where you want on a scene you are familiar with .
Make sure crossover is set correctly , and you’ll be pretty much there .

i had 2 facing one another diagonally across the room , but the rear one had to go so now I have to reposition again , but that is something to look at once you have the sub levels near to correct .

[Ianc2]

I allready have cables to behind sofa and WISA receivers there ready for the day I got WISA rears , so subs and backs will be WISA too .

There’s not much room on the wall were the tv is , the gap between the tv and right speaker is  a little too narrow .

plus …. The 8s would look terrible there !!!  Her words before I’d even moved the right 8k and sneaked one in to see , though this could have been that she had decided straight away that she prefers 8 over 6k on that rear wall .

ill mention another pair of 8s for the front , and get an opinion on that , though she has said allready that the 8k blend in better .

I’ve had her look at 18s & 28s , and she prefers the iconic pencil stuck in the eraser .

ive even offered to get rid of the door and make it all wall in the past 🙂

there has been a discussion in the past to put another pair of 8000 I had in the rear that was a no (she prefered 6000) , (and 6000s where prefered over BL3s ) and another more recent one to get rid of front speakers altogether . That was another no .

i kinda like the mixture of old and new , and aesthetics are more important than ultimate sound quality in this situation . Btw , replacing the eclipse with the theater has been brought up twice now .

i thought going down to a 55 would give more space and speaker options , or going up from 65 and no front speakers would be better due to viewing distance involved .

its all a compromise due to oddly sized room .

[Millemis]

Ianc2 wrote:

but now I have a question :

I’ve been through eclipse settings , and beolab settings on app , and can find no setting for using the 19 sub with the 8s for music streaming .

is it possible to do this ?

or will the sub only turn on when the tv is on , and the 8s will only stream Bluetooth when tv is off ?

You can not add a sub to the BL8’s.
Only way is to make a Speaker Group with the BL8’s and the BL19 in the BV Eclipse – which means that the BV Eclipse will turn on for processing the sound.
You can not use the BL8’s for BT, when set up with the BL19 as a Speaker Group.

As far as I remember you can stream via BT to the BV Eclipse directly and this way use the BL8/19 Speaker Group for listening.

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

[Ianc2]

I am finally setting mine up this morning after the floor stands arrived yesterday .

I have a question :

I’ve been through eclipse settings , and beolab settings on app , and can find no setting for using the 19 sub with the 8s for music streaming .

is it possible to do this ?

or will the sub only turn on when the tv is on , and the 8s will only stream Bluetooth when tv is off ?

[Ianc2]

These speakers where bought to replace BL6000/BL3 as rear surround speakers linked to an eclipse set up , and the Bluetooth streaming was a big plus as we have streaming speakers through the house (b&o and naim) but nothing in the living room other than grabbing the remote and turning the tv on .

i have had 4 boxes waiting patiently for the stands to come available , and yesterday the remaining 2 boxes arrived . 🙂

It is a mini ikea experience to get them built up , and kind of odd that part of the stand comes with the speaker when you cannot actually use the speaker without a stand due to the shape of the bottom .

however , assembly is very easy and the cardboard packaging has a handy “work bench” built in for assembling the floor stands .

the hardest part was keeping the cats out of the boxes as I was working , and threading the cable through the stand . (Luckily , Power only in my case)

After frantically searching through my supplies in the garage , I  managed to find a longer non-polarized “8” cable , as the ones supplied with speakers would not be long enough for where one would be positioned .

if you are waiting on floor stands to arrive , I suggest measuring to nearest outlet and buying a cable beforehand rather than frantically trying to find one once you realize the older “squared 8” b&o cables you have on hand will not work .

once I had one assembled I asked the designer for guidance on placement …

no major furniture moving , but I did lose one of my rear bl2 subs in the name of aesthetics .

whilst she was there I set up the speaker on the app ( couple of minutes basic setup) and we used her phone to listen on a single speaker .

first it was b&o radio smooth jazz channel and was surprisingly good , then I think she tried the smiths , and after a minute of one by u2 she said it didn’t sound right .

off she went leaving me to assemble the 2nd speaker .

i got this one into position all by myself as there was only one option where it would be placed , and added it as a pair in the app .

i called her back in and she again streamed her phone using Bluetooth .

this time it was massive attack , followed by others that I don’t remember , at various volumes and positions within the room .

sound very good for what will be used as background music whilst vacuuming , cleaning etc. .

i was expecting a BBC monitor type experience from speakers the size of a human head , and initial listening tells me these could be used very successfully as a dedicated stereo pair with the correct positioning , source other than Bluetooth etc.

the treble did seem a little harsh on one track and one speaker is opposite a large mirror , and Allthough toed in slightly it was reflecting .

i changed the sound to the narrow setting and it improved dramatically .

after this it was blue Monday by new order , and nice and tight but I was feeling it would be better with the BL19 added for punch .

she squatted slightly and said the stereo was much better on axis (as expected) but these are primarily rears at the side of the sofa , so we will not be using the rather handy 2-position bracket built into the speaker to tilt them up for listening while standing (or in her case dancing) though this is a simple no tools needed 2 second adjustment should you want to tilt them up for a party etc.

i was told “no calibrating” as she was tired , so surround set up was delayed until this morning .  I guess she remembered my excuse for watching movies very loud was that I was calibrating the surround sound 🙂

‘onto this morning , it was a little bit of time with the tv remote in one hand and my phone in the other as I added the speakers to WISA and set them up on the eclipse .

then onto my go-to : the opening few minutes of “saving private Ryan” ..

absolutely superb !!!

with the initial toe-in set as a compromise for sound and aesthetics , and the new dual purpose of filling the room with sound when streaming , the surround sound worked perfect straight out of the box .

i was expecting to have to change the speakers back to wide mode , but narrow works perfect in my situation and also works better for her streaming .

i think the fact they are much higher than the 6000s helps tremendously , and my plan now is to sell the 6k and place bl3 on the floor behind the sofa firing upwards to experiment with surround back / rear atmos using wall reflections and tweeter masking . I’ll follow up on that experiment once completed .

its not been 24 hours yet , and with no real listening position and no desire to move things around I doubt I will notice a difference as the speakers get worn in , but I am more than happy with the new (rather expensive) purchase .

in regards the BL19 , I asked on here this morning and got a reply that it could not be done . Well it could but it would mean grabbing the remote and turning the tv on and that goes against the “quick and easy Bluetooth stream” idea . Note: I have/had 2 BL2s at each side of the sofa for movies , and a BL19 out front for stereo music from tv . The shape of these speakers is reminiscent of a BL11 I have in another room , and adding one to a stereo pair of 8s might be possible using powerlink but that is an endeavor for somebody else …

i am still undecided on the cloth grills , they look great but I think the light oak covers look slightly better and as I have only seen them in pictures online etc it would be an expensive experiment to change them when the designer has allready said “black and silver” .

maybe in the future if grills become available cheap I can experiment with a different cloth colour , or preferably wood covers in light oak or refinished with a black stain , or maybe replace the wood with aluminum or titanium etc as I like that they are flush with the aluminium enclosure rather than set in with the cloth covers .

 

i hope you liked the review , I’ll add more if I find anything interesting to add as I get used to the speakers and adjust settings etc.

 

 

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[martin01]

Great thanks for answer. My old Eclipse with LG OLED G1 screen was 100% straight. I thought that the G-model was at most 100% straight. I can understand that the very thin C-model could be bent a little.

I have now read on “reddit” that is seems very common with this “bent” screens. Sadly when combining a bent screen to the Theatre you can see the alignment to the soundbar that the screen is not 100% straight from the left to the right.

//Martin

[Mbee]

I can confirm, LG C3 on mkI Eclipse Soundcenter works, with a bit of diy work (homemade brackets, that’s all). Futureproof not guaranteed but Soundcenter MkI is using HDMI ARC so quite standard.

[Toma48]

Any feed back on this ? It appears every tv has done the same and B and O s  answer to the problem is give another faulty panel , I’d love to know if the c3 worked with the mk1 eclipse

[carolpa]

Millemissen wrote:

You indeed can daisy chain from the fronts to the speakers in the back. But then these would also act as fronts…..which probably is, what has happened in your case (?).

to add to this remark: if both front speakers are daisy chained (so left and right front speakers have been assigned) and then daisy chain the rear speakers, the back speakers can only act as front speakers, as described by MM.
But, for example, the right back speaker can be daisy chained to the right front speaker and be assigned in the Eclipse correctly.

The rule: to one PL connection in the Eclipse one can connect AND assign two speakers. Every next daisy chained speaker will then act as one of these two assigned speakers.

 

[Millemis]

You indeed can daisy chain from the fronts to the speakers in the back.
But then these would also act as fronts…..which probably is, what has happened in your case (?).

The backs/the 9’s must be on their own PL port in the Eclipse and they must be adressed/assugned as backs/rears.

If you modify the main Speaker Group (1/tv), they will all play togther in their assigned roles, typically with the tv speakers as a center channel.

If you want the 20’s respectively the 9’s to play seperately, you must create a Speaker Group just for that.

P.S.
You can daisy chain the 20’s to another and the 9’s respectively from their PL connection.
The roles L/R etc is conigured in the Sound Menu of the tv.

Did I understand your concerns correctly?

MM

Location: Flensborg————Danmark

[YannChris]

Hello,

Did you pair the Beroremote to the TV?

Here is the process:

https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042302032-Remote-control

In addition, you can find the only user guide available here:

https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041518952-Beovision-Eclipse-1st-Gen

Location: Brittany, France
My B&O Icons:

[YannChris]

Hi,

If I well remember, the 1st Gen Eclipse does not need the B&O app from the LG Content store.

Settings are manage through the TV menu. You need to press the “house-shaped” key of your remote, then go to the settings icon.

Yann.

Location: Brittany, France
My B&O Icons:

[zebe]

Hello guys,
Just inherited TV Eclipse and a pair of Beolab18.
Everything great but after moving from Bornholm to Poland, connecting TV to internet
it proceeded w/auto firmware update => factory reset.
There is no B&O tv app in LG Cotent Store, no matter if I set location to Daenmark, UK, Poland whatever.
Does anybody have any idea how that app should be installed??

cheers,ZZ

[Bieele]

Hi,

I own my Beolab 5’s for many years now and love them.

But since a couple of days 1 of the speakers shows strange behavior:

It started with this one speaker switching off during use (connected to an Eclipse): small pop, led turned red. After taking the power off shorty and on again, the speaker behaved fine again.

The next day, the same speaker did not turn on turning on (while other speaker did). I took the power off again, turned power on, reset the speaker (holding calibration bottom for long time), re-calibrated the speaker. After that, seemed to work again.

However, the next day, the speaker did turn on, worked well, but did not turn off after use (led stayed green). After taking power off/on, seems to work fine again.

I left the power of the entire night now, but I am sure something is wrong.

Any advise on what could be wrong?

Any advise on next steps (besides contacting B&O)?

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts an ideas,

Dennis

[Stuart50_1]

Hi

This may explain why I have been  underwhelmed by the base response on my set up.

There has been a definite lack of base experience in my set up .

thanks for the information if you have any tips on getting the best out of my set up I would appreciate it .

Eclipse 55 mk2 Tv

Beolab 20 front

Beolab 9 Back

I also have a Beosound 5 connected through a ML/convertor which plays through the speakers when I press join ?
Any help would be great .