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The bass management in this (lets call it) Beosystem has changed a bit…..the bass is not simply redirected to the most appropriate speaker, but is more spread to all / most / more speakers than the previous bass management system would do.
Not a great explanation I know, but just something to be aware of.
Everyone happy now?
Expensive, but its fully specc’ed as anyone could possibly hope for.
They look to have ticked the important boxes – design (I like) and spec’s (I like).
same here – 5 or 6 years in to mine, and its been all good.
Agreed, that colour scheme is pretty dull to my eyes.
Pretty sure a nice combination can be found with that aluminium base.
But silver / silver as in the picture is not good.
Mine (my A9 MK2) updated itself on August 18th – to 2.1.50399
Havent played with it yet to see differences in integration with it, ut will report back if anything odd.
The beta version of the app is asking me to “update to new interface” and lists my A9, I guess as the eligible product for interacting with in the new way.
My BS2 has gone for repair, but I imagine exactly the same for it, when it comes back from repair.
Tend to agree – my BV12-65 is still going strong. as is my Avant 55.
Unless they produce a one piece BV of outstanding design, like the BV11 / 14 form factor, then I cant see myself buying a BV again. We’ll see how good / sensibly priced the Theatre is.
Worst value has to be the Moment, simply because it was buggy, laggy, fell short of its promise, and even when it worked was a pretty limited music experience device.
Yes, as below.
I’d definitely wait as the Beosound Theatre is very close to release – a centre speaker / sound bar with all the surround AV processing built in. It will integrate with your LG and allow you to use the B&O remote.
Also, the BL28’s have such absurdly strong bass that a BL19 sub is completely unnecessary – many 28’s users have had to dial down its bass in the out of the box settings!.
As for your surrounds, etc – that’s all fine and do whatever you need, governed by room configuration / budget etc etc.
You can see a picture (which was leaked by B&O) of the upcoming Theatre on the B&O (not official) Discord server, under the BeoSound subject / thread.
You’d probably want a sub with the BL18s. That combination will be an improvement.
You won’t need one with the BL9’s, and definitely no need with BL5s. Both of these will be an improvement.
But MM is right, 6000s to 8000s will be a small incremental change only.
BL9s used / approved seems to be around 2500k, quite a bit less than the BL18s, where used pairs are quiet bit more.
Interesting, and thanks for that update.
My ASE products – A9 and BS2 (mk 1) have not updated yet.
But I agree with you last point – I also prefer the prior functionality. Now if you remove the “originating” product from playing, and all stop, you then have to go and restart the music in the app for whichever of the additional joined products you want to continue playing.
That’s a worse user experience from what I can see, I agree.
its not a complete TV, from what I understand.
But the differences may well be subtle and a bit semantic in the end.
The Theatre will most likely be separately marketed a bit more obviously than the Eclipse SC is / was. But I imagine it will be displayed in store with a panel and possibly stand. So it may not be obvious to some how it is any different a proposition than the Eclipse.
Unless the Theatre offers similar integration with other brands and not just LG, the Theatre+LG proposition may not be very different from an Eclipse.
I suspect that with the Theatre likely on the Mozart platform, it will effectively replace the Ellipse over time.
Many questions remain of course, stand and wall brackets above all.
I actually quiet like the stand in the picture!
Oh Steve, what a fabulous video and find, and many thanks for sharing..
How can one watch that and not rush out (or rush there!) and buy a Beogram!
fabulous.
agreed, and the argument that you may already have a device or two that is capable of listening (i.e your phone) is not an argument for bringing in a bunch more.
Especially one based on a Google platform.
Terrific video Steve, really super interesting when it comes to the 90s and the various things they do to create their sound. Much appreciated.
Agreed, the LG partnership was wise, although is suspect they had few options – either exit TV business entirely or use LG’s in a hybrid sort-of, sort-of-not BV approach.
Anyway, we’ll know more in a few months I guess.
Agreed, B&O wrapping a tv and sound centre is still a much better visual offering than the rest of the industry, especially when motorised stands / brackets are used. So I hope they continue.
But they make no money from TV’s, and if the Theatre centre / system is successful, I can see them thinning out their BV offering to either nothing, or a (extremely expensive) flagship from time to time.
I would suspect that yes, over time this will lead to the Eclipse being withdrawn.
Just my guess though.
If this product can work with other brands, i.e not just LG, well enough, and does well commercially I can see (over time) Beovisions being withdrawn completely.
But that may not be a bad thing anyway, especially if the Theatre speaker / system offers you most of everything a BV does anyway.
Again, just thinking out loud.
You may be able to use cheaper things, like the Balance etc (Mozart enabled) as home theatre speakers with this new product.
I’d put it differently when. it comes to picture.
The ~Contour with the OLED has a superb picture quality.
The Horizon has a god awful LCD panel – less of an issue with sports / news I guess, but many dramas and movies these days have dark scenes, and those are pretty close to unwatchable on the LCD which uses global dimming. I lived with one of these (in the BV14, same LCD panel ) until enough was enough, and it had to go back.
In the end, one does get a TV to watch things properly, and ideally very well.
I dont believe it has been canned, judging by the last I heard a few months ago. But by “it” I think one of the options is a Beosystem 5 type unit for facilitating connectivity between TV and Beolabs / Beosounds (either or both, dont know)…i.e. a unit, not a centre speaker with the same functionality (fully fledged sound centre).
How that BS5 “unit” would deal with (power link) Beolabs and Mozart enabled speakers is not clear to me at all, but I guess its technically possible.
Agreed, though customers would presumably want to use a Beoremote with their setup. And while LG offer the requisite B&O app (through the webOS App Store) to enable this, I cant envisage Sony / Samsung / Panasonic etc etc doing the same. Not impossible, just cant see it happening. In which case, you are LG restricted.
Not an issue for the last 5 years or so, but what if LG dont make the move into QD-OLEDs, and fall behind somewhat. Some customers wanting a B&O speaker focussed home cinema setup with a QD-OLED from, lets say Sony or Samsung, would not be able to use thew Beoremote, and we’re in compromise / workaround territory.
Definitely an unclear road ahead.
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