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Madskp
GOLD MemberOk taking it to a deeper level of resarch now. I have tried to open up the BL3500 to try and acces the plug board, but it’s placed beneath several layers, and it seems that the wooferes also has to be removed and they are atteched with a combination of screws and double sided tape, so that has to be for another time.
However that display and IR reciever PCB in the front might give some insights.
The ribbon cable from the PCB contains several signals, so I decided to measure the with my multimeter when the unit was in standby and activated. After that I tried this again but this time with the 1611 converter connected to ML to se if anything was different.
I noticed different results for the connections PMUTE and +5VA St.BY.
When the BL3500 was stand alone both would be at 5V in both standby and when activating the BL3500 with and audio command.
However when I connected the 1611 converter both would be 5V in stand by, but drop to 0V when activating with an audio command.
Looking at the Block diagram for system control in the service manual I can see that the PMUTE signals ends in the power amplifiers for left and right respectivly.
So this indicates that when the speaker is not connected to ML it will not unmute the power amplifiers , and therefor not let sound through to the speakers in stand alone mode.
I will try to do the same test with MCL connected one of the coming days to see if this give the same result.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberA further thought: For datalink, we had discovered that Tape and CD use pin 7, whereas Phono uses pin 6, unless RIAA is built in (to the Beogram) in which case it uses pin 7 also. We had also thought that the MCL2AV circuit diagram was incorrectly showing datalink to Tape/CD pin 6 instead of 7. From the service manual, your BG2000 uses pin 6 for datalink. So does this mean that pins 6 and 7 are connected inside the MCL2AV, or has your BG2000 been modified?
Sorry. I forgot to mention that pin 6 and 7 on the CD connector on the MCL2AV is connected with a little piece of wire by a former owner. Therefore I could just connect the Beogram 2000 even though it has datalink on pin 6
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Madskp
GOLD MemberWhen power is connected, the 1611 automatically configures to a video- or audio-master. Could you trick the 1611 into reconfiguring, then detach your BC2300 and connect the second source? Making or breaking connections while electricity is applied, however, is risky.
I think that is not a nessecary thing. At the start of the thread it was belived that the 1611 would have audio input on the DIN connectors pin 3 and 5 for both audio and video, but it turned out that the audio input is on pin 1 and 4 and the video (audio) input is on pin 3 and 5. Matadors drawing in this post shows how it is connected https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/4/#post-14017
I think that the 1611 will adapt to being an audio and/or videomaster depending on what it is conencted to. When no audio and video master is connected it will function as both
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Madskp
GOLD MemberOut of interest, could you also control it using PHONO (N.RADIO)?
It didn’t react to that no, which I already expected.
I think i have an idea why. Looking at the diagrams for the Beomaster 5500 there are 2 datalink lines from the microcomputer TP1 and TP2. The one is for tape and CD, and the other is for Tape2 and Phono (CD2?). I think that it’s only the IR commands that differs, but internally there are only tape and CD (or phono) commands. The microcomputer then register the correct IR code and open the datalink for the correct DIN connector. As the MCL2AV has fewer DIN connecters than a Beomaster, it might just have a reduced version of the Microcomputer with only one set of tape and CD commands. Just my thoughts without further insight to it.
Also looking forward to seeing this connected to the BLC to the NL world beyond!
Me too. Just taking deep breaths and preparing for a gigantic cable and settings mess 🙂
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Madskp
GOLD MemberI just aquired a working Beogram 2000 with some cosmetic issues, but none of the less working.
So I had to try it with the 1611 -MCL2AV combo
Setup:
BL3500 -ML – 1611 – datalink – MCL2AV – datalink – BG2000 (connected to CD input)
Control og the BG2000 was fully possible from the BL3500 with the use of CD command.
only issue was that I had to turn the volume to max as I still need a RIAA amplifier.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberHowever, selecting either V.TAPE (A.MEM) or DVD2* would start the DVD1 playing Track 1, but further control (numbers, arrows or STOP/PAUSE) was impossible. A long press of the power button was still required to turned the DVD1 off.
Interesting that it would react to V.Tape commands, but not to DVD, but might be an anomily because it’s another link protocol than its made for.
So, I seem to have demonstrated limited direct use of AAL data, albeit not very useful!
Agree, no great usecase there for now
I will do further DVD1 experiments with MCL2AV when I can extract it from the box pile.
The dreaded mountain of boxes … 🙂 Looking forward to the testing though
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Madskp
GOLD MemberI had done limited testing of DVD1 to BL1611 here: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/8/#post-14333 But I was trying to select using DVD command rather than CD, but in order to do the latter (and get sound) I would have to move the audio pins from 3&5 to 1&4. Of course I could just test control without audio.
Test without audio could be fine just to see if it does anything at all.
Seems like it didn’t respond to the DVD commands in the test you linked to. interesting to see if it could react to CD commands
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Madskp
GOLD Memberbut next time I have the MCL2AV equipment out I will try it connected to the CD socket and see what happens.
Great 🙂
It could be that the DVD1 only responds to AAL commands rather than Datalink commands?
Yes maybe, Could be interesting to see how it responds to either command when connected to the 1611 converter also
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Madskp
GOLD MemberDVD1: Note: Madskp has just reminded me that I tried the following back in Jan 2021 as reported here: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/45162/326789.aspx#326789 I then tried connecting my DVD1 (with modified SCART to 7-pin DIN) to the AUX socket. Witht the MCL2AV in L.OPT 1.X, the DVD1 could be selected using AV DVD (or AV SHIFT SAT on BL1000) and full control was possible to skip through CD tracks. It did however need a long press on the remote Off button to ensure that the DVD player went to stand-by. (Note: SHIFT RADIO 4 did not open the AUX input or start the DVD1 – I hadn’t tried this before).
@Guy: Just a thought. When you tried testing with the DVD1 did you ever try if it would react to the CD command?
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Madskp
GOLD Memberalthough it would be more simple if the beolink passive had an input.
And that lead my to another thought. Can the powerlink input in the Beolink passive be used while it is connected to Masterlink. So I made this setup:
1611 converter as Audiomaster – ML – Beolink passive – speaker cable -Passive speaker
And connected the PL output of an MCL2AV to the PL input on the BL passive.
MCL2AV in option 1.5 with iphone as input on the tape connector.
No response from the BL passive when activating the MCL2AV. Disconnecting ML from the PL passive and then it works, but the IR eye seems to be disable apart from the red LED.
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Madskp
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@madskp. Any chance you could check whether the Active’s PL output will turn a connected Passive on/off? This could be useful if wanting a local ‘PC’ input in a room with passive speakers.Just did a test of this. Setup 1611 converter as Audiomaster – ML – Beolink Active – powerlink – Beolink Passive – speaker cable -Passive speaker
An adapter cable from the PC input of the BL active PC connector to a minijack conencted to my iphone as input. BL active in opt. 6.
Selecting PC on BEO4, and sound going through to the passive speaker.
Also tried with the inputs on the 1611 with the same result.
So yes this is a possible solution, although it would be more simple if the beolink passive had an input.
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Madskp
GOLD Member@madskp. Any chance you could check whether the Active’s PL output will turn a connected Passive on/off? This could be useful if wanting a local ‘PC’ input in a room with passive speakers.
yes, of course I can do a test on that. Will come back with the result
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Madskp
GOLD MemberThats rigtht 😉
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Madskp
GOLD MemberBtw I have a similar tester for network cables (RJ45 plugs) which with the right adapters would be able to provide the same functionality. Just as an idea for those that might need a tool like this but can’t get hold of it.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberAnyway, it worked fine as a sensor (light coming on with IR transmission), and the mute button worked. However, despite the Timer light going on/off, I could not get it to initiate when the BC9500 was programmed with a timer event. So it looks like the timer does not work with just the three wire connections in this setup.
OK, so now we know that the timer function is not enabled via the IR data, at least on the Beolink active. However on the MCL 2 the 2 extra wires are only connected to each other, so no connection to the microcomputer in the MCL 2 that talks with the master besides the IR data connection.
Must be a test for another time.
The mute function on the MCL sensor must be somehow part of the IR signals since it also working on the Beolink Active and Passive. Funny that they not implemented that in the ML sensors, but that could be a design choise as to not overcomplicate the controls on the IR sensos
Madskp wrote: Apropos Beolink Active I just got a good deal on three of the including IR sensors and some ML cable and not related adapter cables.
A very useful acquisition and I look forward to more experiments including with the PC input!
Yes, I have already tested two of the for functionality including making an adapter for sound input on the PC connector. I would wish however that a servicemanual for the 1636 was available. But maybe it will be in the new library
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Madskp
GOLD MemberVery handy unit indeed. Have seen one advetised locally at one time for around 66€ which was to expensive for my taste though
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Madskp
GOLD MemberGreat testing of the different IR sensors. It makes sense that they are compatible over the different versions as the remote signals has been the same over time.
Apropos Beolink Active I just got a good deal on three of the including IR sensors and some ML cable and not related adapter cables.
Interestingly on of them seems to be updated to SW 1.6 as the 6 is handwritten on it.
The IR sensors are in very nice cosmetic condition. For some reason one of them is wired up with an RJ45 cable. Have to figure out what pinout is used.Location: Denmark
Madskp
GOLD Memberand on the MCL2AV the yellow and the grey wire seems to be connected on the screw terminal (will have to double check that on the actual unit)
Just did check this. The terminals are connected when measureing with a multimeter. Can’t see the trace on the PCB though
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Madskp
GOLD MemberIn the process of soldering adapters to use the round IR eye with the BLC NL/ML (which works with ground, +5V and IR, but no the other wires) I came to think if the round IR eye could work with for example volume buttons if connected to a MCL2AV.
Tried that out this evening, and no. It works as an IR sensor with ground, +5V and IR, but no lights, and no button functions, so no cross comptability there either except for the IR functions.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberExcellent – control of a datalink device from NL without a datalink audiomaster! I am sure NL users who want remote control of a BeoGram turntable will be very interested.
Yes indeed. I’am also looking for a reasonable priced Beogram with datalink for myself.
I am looking forward to the new BLC thread. I did ask a few NL/ML converter questions here, so perhaps you’ll be able to provide new information once you investigate more: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/app-control-of-masterlink-products-using-beolink-converter-nl-ml/
I will defenetly look into the app control part and see what is possible.
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I noticed different results for the connections PMUTE and +5VA St.BY.



