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Hi, Im putting out a request to see if anyone has either the Eclipse assembly instructions somewhere or links to YT training videos? This is the screen/soundbar pairing – not the stand pairing. Thank you 10
Presumably you’ll find it in here:
Thanks, Carolpa, for the explanation. Let’s put it this way. If in the above system, I send a signal to Beogram, for example, commanding, “start playing the record”. This signal will be an NL signal that will be sent to NL/ML converter.
This is data signal sent to the right BLC, because on NL level it is know where the source is connected.
There it is converted to ML signal and from there to BLC, where it is finally translated to Dattalink commanding “play”.
ML data-address defines to which device it should send the command to
The Beomaster receives this Datalink command and sends either the same command to the Beogram or does something with that command, so the Beogram understands it.
The Beomaster translate the command to playing the Beogram.
So, if I understand you correctly, the signals are different, so Beomaster does something to the original signal.
Sorry but I do not understand what you mean with this remark. The BM simply follow the instruction given and starts the source. The same for the other devices. They, the commands, open a path for the source, Beogram, to be played in the linked system.
note:
- you have the audio signals
- you have the data signals for controlling the system
However, It would be great to understand what it does to the signal. It would, for example, be great if the difference could be learnt so that NL-could, after some coding, send a proper signal that could communicate with the Beogram without necessary translation by the Beomaster, simply send signals that are ready to use to ht Beogram. This could make the Beomaster redundant, which has no function in modern B&O networks other than translating signals for the Beogram. The same could hold for Beocord or Beogram CD (if someone would like to use those sources).
That would be a BLC with the additional logic of an integrated Beomaster (discussed before on the previous forum).
Many thanks, Guy for your explanations and valuable advice. I will add the Delay-box to my list of stuff to acquire. Also, thank you for the link to Iconic-AV. I will contact them for the RIAA preamp. However, I still can’t stop thinking about the necessity of a Beomaster in the system. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that Beomaster was needed to receive the IR commands and convert them to DATA-link so that the Beogram can be controlled remotely (since it doesn’t have its own IR receiver). In a system based on NL, however, necessary commands can be sent by Halo to the Beomaster (and through it to Beogram), enabling control of the Beogram. This signal is received from Halo -> NL -> NL/ML converter, which converts the signal to ML signals, and then the ML singles are converted again to DL signals (though BL Converter 1611) and sent from there to the Beogram (through the Beomaster). Since it seems like the Beomaster is necessary, it would be great to understand what Beomaster does to the signal (if any) before it is sent to the Beogram. However, If there is no change to the signal, it should be possible to eliminate the Beomaster.
1) you could connect the Beogram to the BLC (line-in), but you only can select the source line-in. You cannot control the Beogram (none at all, with or without RIAA preamp).
2) so there we have the difference, you need “brains” to control the Beogram! And these brains are provided by the Beomaster (nothing else will do).Many thanks, Guy and Carolpa for your responses, which are highly appreciated. I will give solution 2 a try as I don’t own a Beomaster yet. If I’m reading your response correctly, the second solution allows for the connection of a Beogram, directly to the ML-network (using a BL-converter), without needing a Beomaster 6500 or 7000. It would still be good to understnad the difference in link signal between the signal from Beogrma to BL-converter to ML in one hand and Beogram to Beomaster to BL-converter to ML Will the signals be different?
You interpret my reply incorrectly. The Beomaster is needed.
you can’t use solution 1 or 2 without the first part of my post.
Beogram control over masterlink has been raised several times in the archived forum. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone got it to work as required! This thread is worth a read if you use Google translate: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/11690/102249.aspx#102249 You may be able to use a workaround to get sound distributed, but full control does not seem to be possible.
It is possible, but not to my knowledge on the proposed way: for example,
Beosystem 7000 (Beomaster 7000 option 0) datalink connected to a Beolink converter T1611, which is ML connected to a Beolink converter NL/ML (BLC; set as ASlave).
Set the Beosystem 7000 sources “available” on the NL side.
Solution 1:
use of Beolink Intelligence: ALL the Beosystem 7000 sources are available (as part of the BLC sources) and programable to all NL & Beocontrol Link products.
Solution 2: No Beolink Intelligence.
If a NL device like a Core, A6, BS35, M3, M5,…. is available in the system set-up the BLC as “linked to other Products” as primary Beolink-product (note: you have to check the boxes of the BLC sources in the “local sources list” also).
In both cases the Halo and the apps Beoliving or/and B&o app can be used. There are/were some weird workarounds: for example, one started the Beogram 7000 as source of a Core: when expanding to multiroom, one first had to switch to BLC in the B&o app before expanding the experience (note: lately the way of using a BLC in the B&o app has improved though) .
Hi, I attached a picture showing the configuration page of my M5 through my browser. It shows that the product is up to date while it does not. I attached the picture again in the link below.
I would do a factory-reset.
Connect the M5 (preferably wired) to your network and wait some time for a sw update to pop-up.
do you know the (current) IP address of your M5? Or do you know how to find/get it?
if “yes”, open a browser of a PC/Mac/Tablet and type this IP address in as URL (note: device must be in the same network as the M5).
the configuration page of your M5 should start. then update the M5 to the latest software
This may help – at least as a start. Cheers – geoff
For sure interesting reading, but…
doesn’t the Theatre have 27 output paths? Or do I mis interpreter the system?
Hi Sandyb, Yes, that is correct. However, it is worth noting that the B&O website and spec sheet are incorrect as the Theatre has 4 wired Powerlink ports (RJ45), not 8 as quoted. Kind regards, Steve.
Isn’t how you interpreter it? Sure there are 4 Powerlink ports (same as Eclipe, Harmony, BV11, BV14, Avant, etc). But 1 port holds 2 Powerlink connections.
So 2 connections per ports times 4 ports make 8x Powerlink.
28 August 2022 at 10:19 in reply to: Comibning BS-wirless speakers in a system with old Beolink speakers #37192Thanks again MM, for the information. It would, of course, be more efficient not to use an Essence in this network. However, how would the NL/Ml converter receive its signals from the NL network? None of the Beosounds has line-out or AUX, you see!
Your Beosound’s are wireless connected to your network. Connect the BLC (NL/ML converter) to this same network and connect the ML to the BLC and “voila” you’ve got a connection.
I am in a try-out project to see if I can drive a BeoLab 2 subwoofer wirelessly. This means that I have to connect the Audio-IN of the wireless module, to pin 1 & 4 of the Powerlink. This is no issue. What I do wonder about, is how to get the BeoLab 2 to switch from stand-by to ON. It needs a 5v signal to switch to ON. Question
- Any ideas how to get the stand-by to ON switching done, in this setup?
The simplest solution is known as: Beosound Core or Essense mkII!
I think that the early BS9000 may have datalink. The service manuals on site show datalink present in the Mk1 (Types 2521 to 2530), but not present in the Mk2 and Mk3. However, B&O service manuals have been known to be wrong in the past. I think datalink was dropped from most products as N.RADIO and N.MUSIC compatible products were introduced, such as BS3000/3200. N.RADIO used the old PHONO IR command. The early BS9000s Mk1 were not N.RADIO/N.MUSIC compatible, hence required a SW upgrade. Perhaps such a SW upgrade disables the datalink capability.
I bought my first BS9000 while it was introduced to the public. Even this mkI version did not support datalink on the AUX.
I noticed a new behaviour for the BLC (at least I didn’t experienced this before) :
BLC is set as ASlave.
Start a BLC source (so also the ML sources) with the app.
One can now JOIN other NL sources to the BLC directly with the app.
MM, taking your lead I played around with the settings and it all works! The dealer had spent a number of days talking to B&O who were adamant it wouldn’t work. The only minor issue is that if I mute the Eclipse sound it also mutes the linked product. Paul
Same question as above for you.
I can listen to sounds from the Eclipse on the Masterlink products and even switch it off but not the other way round!
To setup your system and know the capability limits of this system, please give some insight of your products (ML, NL)
Also settings of options (ML) and the BLC is essential
Hi alls, The (desirable) Beosystem 72-22 press kit shows the cabinet housing a Beosound Essence and a Beosound Core.
the Core + Transmitter are parts of the Beosystem 72-22
Edit: the housing of the Essence and the Transmitter are simular.
Checked:
I tried a DNLA music playlist. The Balance kept on continuing to play the next track in the queue.
Note: did you start the first track in the playlist/album screen? or did you start the triangle above the tracks
when the dlna capabilities arrived to my Balance, I had a simular issue.
a software update has solved this though.
But actually I don’t know the actual status. I will check.
Lol, no it’s a different red dot, bigger and clearly stating the device is “offline” and the app can’t find the device…. (but the Level still is able to stream and being controlled from the buttons on the Level, not via the Halo nor the app)
I think I’m the one to LOL………
I do recall I have seen this dot (I remembered after your reply), but I hardly ever see it
There is a red dot and “offline” status symbol.
Where do you see the red dot?
Whenever I spotted the red dot in the app, it was an indication for an update for one of the devices
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