[Madskp]

You could try to press LINK, 2, STORE first just to be sure that its not in Option 0 (No IR).

not sure if it helps or if these Service menu commands works either way

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Peter Aalykke wrote:

No 2. show the “:” in the display when connecting to power, but it does not respond to the command MENU,0,4,PLAY, nore MENU,0,0 PLAY ore MENU,0,9,PLAY on the remote control?

It could be that it is the MKII version with the Powerlink connector. The MKI has MCL engraved in the metal under the DIN connector, where nothing is engraved on the MKII version.

Try pressing MENU, MENU, 0, 4, PLAY and see if it helps? All these things require an extra menu press on the MKII version of the BL3500

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Good ideas – I will try all of them but not for a few days …

Great to get more inputs about this.

In the meantime I couldn’t let go of the idea of the datasignal in powerlink which seems to be couple with the MCL and AUX data signals in some products. I also discovered that in the Beolink Passive / ML/MCL converter the datasignals from powerlink and MCL is also connected, but with a couple of resistors betwen them. According to the user manual the ML/MCL converter should be able to drive MCL products from the Powerlink in a Beosystem 2500 (at least thats whats illustrated in the manaul)

As I don’t have any  products with both powerlink and MCL connected internally I tried with the MCL2AV (where these signals are separated in the microcomputer) just to see if I got better results than the no reaction when I tried it with my BC6.

MCL2AV in option 1.5 where powerlink is active, and a custom cable to the BL3500:

MCL2AV pin 2 – > BL3500 pin 3, 5 and 7

MCL2AV pin 3 – > BL3500 pin 1

MCL2AV pin 5 – > BL3500 pin 4

MCL2AV pin 6 – > BL3500 pin 6

Tested with the setting ML off in the BL3500 service menu (Menu+0+9+GO)

Beocord 3500 conencted to the MCL2AV Tape connector

I can not activate the the Beocord from the BL3500. But if I start playback from the MCL2AV’s IR eye, I can use any audio command to turn on the BL3500 and the sound will play. Volume control is a little unstable. Somtimes the sound is very low, and I can’t control it, and sometimes its fine. I guess the volume on the MCL2AV does have to be at a certain level as the MCL connection on the BL3500 has some circitry to compensate for various volume in an MCL network.

So aperently the datasignals can’t be used for control in this case, but is enough to keep the BL3500 alive. Voltage on the data signals measured to 4,75V but again not sure it can be used for anything.

 

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

That’s a logical explanation – I can’t think of any other reason for this anomaly. I would test this with mine but I don’t have a controllable input device other than the OneRemote radio which may behave differently.

Or maybe your DVD1 with the custom cable?

Another thought for tests if you feel like it. The Oneremote can be setup to AAL. Could it communicate directly with the BL3500? And maybe the same with the DVD1.

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[Madskp]

Dont know if it helps anything if your TV is an early version, but here are pictures of the connection menus on my BC6 where its DVI that is chosen as a HDTV input

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Guy wrote:

I don’t think PC should be present on the TV’s ‘connections’ menu; it is usually just accessed by pressing PC.

I can confirm that is the case for an early model of BV6 I had.

On my current Beocenter 6 though the PC command can be choosen for any input, and the DVI connector is on AV3 but is shared with the component connectors. In the AV3 configuration I think you have to select HD or something like that to us the DVI connector. I cant get to the TV right now (sleeping child in front of it), but I can check up on it tomorrow if you don’t find it yourself before that.

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

Madskp wrote: Can the BL3500 work on the AUX conenctor on other           Audimasters? Or the MCL2AV?

I have made a test with the MCL2AV that I have, although it’s unstable at the moment, so the result will have to be verified. But using the same cable that I used for the BM5500 I tried to connect the BL3500 directly to the MCL2AV’s AUC connector, and my Beocord 3500 to the tape connector of the MCL2AV. No IR eye or speakers connected to the MCL2AV. I was then able to start the Beocord 3500 through the BL3500 and play/stop/FF/RW/step forward and backward, so datalink commands was passed through from AAL to AL signals. However I got no sound through. Tried again with the BM5500 just to check that my cables were ok and it still worked. I have to get my MCL2AV going stable again or get another one, but I think the control signal part is interesting.

Got the MCL2AV fixed. Ended up replacing the last 3 transistors in the power supply circiut, and now it seems to be stable, so continuing testing.

I am still able to control the Beocord 3500 from the Beolab 3500 via the MCL2AV and my custom cable, but still no sound. What I didn’t notice in my earlier test was that A.TAPE is displayed for a couple of seconds on the BL3500 and the it goes back to showing the clock, just like it does when nothing is connected to it.

So it seems that the BL3500 is passing the control signals through to the MCL2Av, but is not getting the signal back it needs to confirm that the source is at the other end and therefor is not playing any sound.

Compared to the BM5500 the data signals on the MCL and AUX is connected to different pins on the Microcomputer in the MCL2AV, and might therefore have differences that makes them incompatible, so this might only work for certain Beomasters/Beocenters where the signals are internally connected.

 

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Guy wrote:

Interesting results so far – the fact that the MCL2AV AUX socket connection allowed control was useful, but I too don’t understand why there was no sound. I thought that pins 1 and 4 always output the sound from MCL2AV. My gear is put away at the moment so I think it will be next week before I am able to try anything similar (with a known working MCL2AV), but until then I will be following with interest!

I am also confused as to why the sound is not comming through as it is from the BM5500 that also output sound on pin 1 and 4. I think I will have to focus on fixing the instabilities in my MCL2AV to be sure of the results.

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I have also tried to modify the cable a little and make a connection from the Powerlink sockets on my BC6 to the BL3500 just to see if that could do anything. No luck though. The Tv playing music on the V.MEM input from an analog source. The BL3500 just turns on briefly shoving V.TAPE, and then turns off again.

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

Can the BL3500 work on the AUX conenctor on other Audimasters? Or the MCL2AV?

I have made a test with the MCL2AV that I have, although it’s unstable at the moment, so the result will have to be verified.

But using the same cable that I used for the BM5500 I tried to connect the BL3500 directly to the MCL2AV’s AUX connector, and my Beocord 3500 to the tape connector of the MCL2AV. No IR eye or speakers connected to the MCL2AV.

I was then able to start the Beocord 3500 through the BL3500 and play/stop/FF/RW/step forward and backward, so datalink commands was passed through from AAL to AL signals. However I got no sound through.

Tried again with the BM5500 just to check that my cables were ok and it still worked.

I have to get my MCL2AV going stable again or get another one, but I think the control signal part is interesting.

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

I think BC9500 is the same (TV AUX pin 6 connected to MCL speakers).  So the data going over an MCL system is Audio Aux Link (AAL)

Probably that is. However on any product diagrams they are lead to different pins on the microcomputer in the product. This could of course be for other reasons like not passing a standby all signal through the entire system chain, but only to components in the same room.

 

 

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[Madskp]

I agree the Beosound overture would be the simplest solution setup vise and control vise.

But as alternative with phono commands from the remotecontrol you could also use the Beolink converter 1611 and something like a Beomaster 3500, 4500, 6500 or 7000 (none of these as built in RIAA) or a Beomaster 5500 with built in RIAA, but the you would need a Beogran without RIAA

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Guy wrote:

I have linked to a PeterPan thread before that had the following note under a post about BL3500 and Wireless 1 – perhaps this accounts for the Option 0 setting (when using the first version of Wireless 1):

Haven’t seen this version on it before, but he had another post somewhere where there also was a homemade drawing with Powerlink connection between the Wireless 1 and the BL3500. It might be that there was something special in the first version of the wireless 1, but there was also a reference on the Beoworld product page for Beolink Wireless 1 https://beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=1028 stating that the BL3500 would be upgraded with a PL socket to make it compatible with the wireless 1 which doesn’t seem to fit with the wireless 1 only working this way in the first version.

It might have only been for a small period of time that this was a thing, so it might not be very well documented.

Guess we’ll just have to experiment to get more knowledge 🙂

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[Madskp]

The powerlink data pins also has connection to this transistor, on the line going out to the left side of the diagram. So there might be something disturbing between the data signals

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[Madskp]

If you don’t want a Beomaster/Beosound in the mix you can probably achive it with the combination of the 1611 Beolink Converter and the MCL2AV as described in this lengthy thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/12/#post-15630

Only downside I see is you have to use the CD command to control it, and make a special cable between the Beogram and the MCL2AV if the Beogram is without RIAA, but it sounds like you do have some experience in adapter cables

Let me know if you need further inputs

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Beouser66 wrote:

Hi, option 0 is used then you have a wireless 1 with linkeye connected

thanks for the input. Is it mentioned in a manual or guide somewhere? The reason for asking this is if this is for a connection with Masterlink or Powerlink?

There are some mentions of the Wireless 1 being used with BL3500 with powerlink, but not shown in the manuals I have seen.

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Haven’t had much luck continuing the testing with BL3500 -1611 – MCL2AV as the latter is still unstable in the 5V circutry.

Instead I Have focused a little on the BL3500 and the MCL connector, and it ended up being a lot so I chose to make a new thread regarding this https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/

Hopefully this thread will be continued with more investegations regarding 1611 and MCL2AV use cases

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[Madskp]

Open Questions/to be investegated further:

What is the purpose of option 0 on BL3500? I have a hard time seeing a use case. The reference manual mentions option 0 if you wan’t to disable the IR receiver, but not for what purpose.

Can the BL3500 work on the AUX conenctor on other Audimasters? Or the MCL2AV?

Can the BL3500 work with powerlink and the right adapter? Are the datasignals the same?

This thread will be continued with my inputs when time allows it, but hopefully also with other inputs

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[Madskp]

After I found out the pin 3, 5 and 7 has to be connected for the BL3500 to work with data signals and communicate with an audimaster I decided to try this in combination with voltage injection of 5V on pin 6 and 7 and afterwards on pin 1 and 7 with No result. I also tried it in combination with remote control commands as if the 5V would only be enough to get the speaker ready for receiving commands. Also tried it with the BL3500 in option 0.

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[Madskp]

The MCL connector on the BL3500 MKI will accept both speaker level inputs as stated in B&O specifications, and line level inputs as shown in the use case for the MCL connector in post 3 in this thread. I have also made some tests with this connection in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/17/#post-17044

and found out that signal and ground can be reversed.

Looking at the diagram in the Beomaster 5500 servicemanual I discovered that the dataline for the MCL speaker connectors are connected to pin 6 in the AUX din, so I started wondering, could this also be used for connection between the Beomaster 5500 and the Beolab 3500.

As the pinout for those connections are different I made a custom cable:

BM5500 pin 2 – > BL3500 pin 3 and 5

BM5500 pin 1 – > BL3500 pin 1

BM5500 pin 4 – > BL3500 pin 4

BM5500 pin 6 – > BL3500 pin 6

Pin 7 on the BM5500 is datalink for tape and CD, so that is not used for this.

Tested with the setting ML off in the BL3500 service menu (Menu+0+9+GO)

This was not working.

Wondering and going through diagrams and pinouts for the different connectors I noticed that the BL3500 has data shield on pin 7 connected directly to ground internally.

But where should I connect that in my custom cable? Looking at MCL pinout’s answers that question:

Ground on both speaker connectors as well as data shield is all connected which means that pin 3, 5 and 7 in the BL3500 MCL connector all has to be connected:

BM5500 pin 2 – > BL3500 pin 3, 5 and 7

BM5500 pin 1 – > BL3500 pin 1

BM5500 pin 4 – > BL3500 pin 4

BM5500 pin 6 – > BL3500 pin 6

Tested with the setting ML off in the BL3500 service menu (Menu+0+9+GO)

Success

This is working just the same as with the MCL connection 🙂

Voltage readings on the data pin (pin 6) are the same 4,68V as I registered with the MCL connection

One thing to note from this test is that the BM5500 is the only product where I have found that the data pins in the Aux connector and the MCL speaker connector are connected internally in the Beomaster, so the result of this test might not be the same with other audiomasters.

One other note that I don’t know if has any relation to this is the description of an obsolete Powerlink cable in the Beolink handbook where it is stated that pin 3 and 7 are short circuited. In my head that doesn’t make much sense in a powerlink cable where pin 3 is signal and 7 is data ground, but might make sense if it was used somehow with the BL3500??

 

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