[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

but no matter what option I try, the N.Music audio will only ever come out of the PC speakers – I cannot get it to play through the connected Beolabs.

One thing that came to mind. Are you aware that a minijack cable has to be attached from the sound out on the PC and to sound in on the Beoport?

This might not be obvious, but because of the age of the Beoport it does not carry sound via USB

 

[Madskp]

XavierItzmann wrote:

Better to ask the manufacturer?

Well, the innnards might not be B&O, and guess that B&O support might not know much about this product now.

However reading about the topic for other brands, it sounds like the filesystem on a harddisk recorder might be properitary at not easily (if at all) readable on a computer, so might look for other methods of transfer

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

That link you gave doesn’t seem to work by the way.

Sorry, a mishap of switching between MacOS and Windows and using the wrong shortcuts for copy and paste 😉 The right link is this one https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beoport-beoplayer/

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I think I’ve tried every setting now and nothing seems quite right.  The closest I’ve got is the default setting of Option 6, and with the Powerlink cable to my Beolab speakers connected to the PC2, rather than direct to my BS4.  This will then play CD, radio from the BS4 through thr e speakers, and it will display track info for N.Music in the BS4 display, but no matter what option I try, the N.Music audio will only ever come out of the PC speakers – I cannot get it to play through the connected Beolabs.

Ok sounds odd that you get track info on the BS4 display, but no music. I have not been able to find much info about setups like this. However I stumbled upon a version of the danish manual for Beolink PC2 (rather than the newer manual for Beoport) that has this drawing (in Danish sorry):

This might suggest that the Beoport is setup as the Master in option 2, and the Beosound in option 0 (no remote). This will however require an allways on computer for remote control. Have you tried with the BS4 in option 1 or 2 and the Beoport in option 0?

CharlieWednesday wrote:

There are a good few options available in the Beoport software, to which, of course, the user manual makes no reference whatsoever!

The manual could be more thorough yes, but I also think that the software part of the product evoled over time, making a static manual problematic to handle all functionallity.

I have a Birthday for one of my kids tomorrow, but will try to dive a little more into it friday or saturday as I also wan’t to know more about how that should work.

[Madskp]

This post https://“ServerURL”=”https://nradio.beoplayer.com/nradiodata.asp”

has some discussion about the N.radio features of the Beoport, and indeed some talking about a registry file.

I can however not figure out what ended up getting it to work in that thread. Maybe @Guy can help there

I just tried to uninstall the software on my PC to reinstall it and see if that changed anything, but ran into that I can’t install without the Beoport connected.

Will try kater when I am near the Beoport again

 

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I have it connected to my PC via USB, and also to an ML junction box which is them connected to my Beosound 4.  My Beolab speakers are connected to the BS4, not to the PC2.  If I hit N.Music on my Beo4, N.Music appears on the BS4 display, but nothing plays.

Have you setup options settings on the Beoport? This is done under Setup -> Config -> Advanced

It might be in option 6 (as a link room) as standard, and can’t distribute source to ML in that option.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Also I was given to understand that N.Radio still has some limited functionality on a PC2/Beoport, but if I click that, the panel comes up on the left but everything juts says ‘Empty’

Looking at it on my computer (not connected to the Beoport at the moment) my radio list is also empty, and in the bottom is a text saying not registred. Something rings a bell about a registry file having to be applied, I wil try to see if I can find some more info.

 

 

 

[Madskp]

Lucas Monet wrote:

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/#post-44537

Then you are most likely missing the ground connection from your bluetooth adapter. You can see the difference in pinout between the cable for a Beolab 3500 MK1 and MK2 (most likely the cable you have) in number 2 post in this thread https://www.hifi4all.dk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32157&PN=1&TPN=30

The specific cable for the Beolab 3500 MK1 are sold by several sellers including one of this sites sponsors Sounds Heavenly https://soundsheavenly.com/airport-express/155-2344-ipodtvairport-express-to-beolab-3500-mk2-cable.html#/2-length-1m/62-beolab_3500_version-mark_1

This will still have the limitations mentioned in my earlier post

[Madskp]

Are you using a standard 7 Pin DIN to minijack adapter or one that is made for a Beolab 3500 MK1?

The reason for asking this is that the wirering of the adapter is different and could affect what you are experiencing

[Madskp]

Lucas Monet wrote:

But the speaker seems to be faulty because ticking noise starts immediatly and is accompagnied with a permanent bzzzzzz noise.

That sound like normal behaviour when using the test mode if the BL3500 is not connected to anything. For good measure I just double checked with one of my own BL3500’s and it does the same too. Not very loud though.

Lucas Monet wrote:

Do you have an idea how to fix this ?

I would expect it to go away if you connect something to it. What are you trying to achive?

The Menu + 0 + 4 + GO solution is not very good both because of the cumbersome way to active it + no volume control, and the speaker will go into standby if you press a button on the remote.

A more elegant solution was found in another thread where a 1611 converter connected via Masterlink give two remote controlled inputs to the BL3500. User Matador made a great setup drawing of this concept in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/22/#post-42623

Other alternatives are also mentioned in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/#post-44537

Hope this helps

[Madskp]

Stan wrote:

I have my BeoMaster5 set to a fixed IP address, but I don’t remember how I did it.  I’d like to change it.  Does this require going into the service menu?

Haven’t tried it myself, but wold think so. On the Windows desktop there should be an icon labeled network connections. If you go to that you should be able to see something probably called local area connection. Right click on that and select properties. Now you should see an option to select TCP/IP, and in that you should be able to change the IP adress

Hope this leads you the right way althought only based on my knowledge about Windows XP, and not doing it on a BS5

griebel wrote:

A fixed IP is defined in the internet router not in the BeoMaster5

That is one way to do it, but most if not all network devices has the possiblity to set an IP address manually. There is a risk of conflicts with other devices having the same IP with this method, but can work fine. I have several network devices with a manually set IP address in the high end of the network range, and have not had any issues doing it that way.

[Madskp]

skolesen wrote:

That’s normal behavior for the MCP series (5000/5500/6500) and the blanking time can’t be adjusted. /steffen

Thanks. Good to know that it works as it should do 😀

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I want a power adapter for an MCL2AV but I can’t seem to find the right one.  I’m no electrician, so don’t want to get it wrong and fry the damned thing. The MCL 2AV unit is printed with ‘DC 15v, Max 250mA’, and while it is easily possible to find a power supply of 15v, the output in amps is always far greater than  250mA. Any ideas?

This thread has got me thinking as I recently acuried 4 extra MCL2AV units as part of a LOT and none of them has a power supply. I have one 15V 400mA, but that was actually not easy to find, and I had to fit a new connector to it to get the right polarity.

 

Looking at the schematics for the MCL2AV shows that the 15V is actually only used for the passive speaker relay which is only used when the MCL2AV is programmed to work as an MCL2A.

So I tried with a 12V 300mA power supply with exchangeble connectors that I had lying arround. This also made it easy to get the right polarity.

And for my first test with a MCL2AV with a Beogram CD 4500 connected and active speakers (in this case a Beolink Passive with passive speakers) everything seems to work. I tested it with the older type 2020 MCl2AV, and the 5V and 12V rails are the same values as when I use the 15V supply.

On the newer type MCL2AV without the antenna connection the passive speaker relay along with the connectors are removed, so I will asume that should also work without issues. My best guess is the 15V rating is to secure that the 12V and 5V levels can be stable even when the relay is active.

Hope this is helpfull

[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

CharlieWednesday wrote: I’m also wondering why it was necessary to have your BC2 on option 6 – would it not work on option 1?  Also, on the MC22AV, what the hell is option 2.5!? In this setup the 1611 acts as the “main room” and are serving it’s sources, the MCL2AV to the “link rooms” which in this case is the BC2. If the BC2 were setup in option 1 (or 2 for that matter) it would then be the “main room”, and could not get sources with the Link + commands.

One extra note. Other “link rooms” like your Beolab 3500 will not be able to fetch the sources from the BS4 in this setup. Only the sources from the 1611/MCL2AV will be available, so you might miss some functionality if you choose to go this way

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Since the MCL2AV doesn’t have a Phono input I assume I would connect my Beogram to the Aux input, so I am not sure if controlling the Beogram via Beo4 remote would work that way.  Still, I’ll give it a go.

No, it should be connected to the CD input as that use Datalink 80 codes, whereas the AUX port and the MCL system use Datalink 86 codes.

The Beogram Record player will react to the CD commands when connected to the CD port on the MCL2AV, but not Phono commands as they will be sent to the MCL connection.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Just to double check how you had it all connected: BC2 to BL1611 connected via ML BL1611 to MCL2AV via datalink cable Is that right?

That is correct

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I’m also wondering why it was necessary to have your BC2 on option 6 – would it not work on option 1?  Also, on the MC22AV, what the hell is option 2.5!?

In this setup the 1611 acts as the “main room” and are serving it’s sources, the MCL2AV to the “link rooms” which in this case is the BC2. If the BC2 were setup in option 1 (or 2 for that matter) it would then be the “main room”, and could not get sources with the Link + commands.

Option settings on the MCL2AV is a little different than on newer products. You have to do the options settings two times in a row: Link + 2 + Store, Link + 5 + Store. I am not sure the 5 matters much in this setup though.

 

[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

CharlieWednesday wrote:

You do like a good experiment don’t you @Madskp! I have both a 1611 and a 1614, but my MCL2AV did break a little while ago. I am looking out for another one.

Yep experimenting and testing is my thing I will probably look more into this setup type during the summer as I have 4 untested MCL2AV’s that I like to know if are working or not. So good to have some different test setups to try

I did try to test this again with my Beocenter 2 int option 6, 1611, MCL2AV in option 2.5 and a Beogram CD4500 connected to the CD port of the MCL2AV. And it works. i can control the Beogram CD 4500 with the Link CD command.  I just had to be more patient to let the units handshake, and maybe there was a hickup on the link setup last I tried.

For some reason with a 1614 I can control the CD player, but get not sound through (tried with two 1614 units), so conclusion is that is not working.

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

This topic started with me thinking I’d like to link a Beosound 5 to my Beosound 4 as a digital music player that I could control with my Beo4, but it seems that’s not a brilliant option (apart from looking really good). I have found a Beomedia 1 on eBay for only £50, in working condition, but I don’t really know much about the Beomedia 1. I know Beomedia 1 is really intended for use with a Beovision TV, and while I do have a BV8, I don’t particularly want to have to turn on the TV every time I listen to digital music. If all connected together via ML, would my BS4 be able to show me what is playing on the N.Music source via the Beomedia 1, and would I be able to use my Beo4 to browse digital music on the BS4, without switching on my TV? Also, am I right in assuming that the N.Radio capability of Beomedia 1 would no longer function, due it’s age? I can only assume it would no longer be supported. You can also find Beolink PC2/Beoport cheap on eBay sometimes, but I’d like to have access to digital music when my PC is switched off, which is why I’m thinking Beomedia 1 might be better.

To my understanding the Beomedia 1 is essentially a Beolink PC2/Beoport integrated into a desktop PC with Windows XP embedded with a user interface fitted for use with a TV. I might be missing some details as I have not tried this product myself.

However as the Beolink PC2/Beoport is still able to to fetch netradio stations (with the limitations mentioned by Guy) I do not see why the Beomedia 1 should not be able to also get netradio. But it might be hit and miss.

One note for consideration about the Beomedia 1 is that the software has newer been available for download as it was for the Beoport, so the harddrive might be a single pont of failure for it to break. I ahve not seen the software and servicetoot for the Beomedia 1 available the same way it is for the Beosound 5.

Also I don’t know if the motherboard in the Beomedia 1 have had the same issues as the one in Beosund 5 which have lead to many defective units.

[Madskp]

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Great to hear it vent well 😀

And great that the coating is possible to remove with good result in most cases. B&O was not the only ones to use it. I just had my hands on a remote for a 10 year old streaming box from Western Digital where the back of the remote was all sticky and left spots on my hands 😝

[Madskp]

Frog wrote:

Replaced the capacitor, re-installed – and all working again.

Great job 😀 And good to know that there is relativly simple fixes like replacement of single components that can be done on those newer ish TV’s where the service manusl only suggest to replace the whole PCB

[Madskp]

Gene Ku wrote:

I remember seeing a page with PUC tables years ago (when the BV11 couldn’t find them). I can’t find that page which would give the possibility to update via USB.

haven’t heard of that before. On the older TV’s without internet connectivity you could only get PUC codes by having a B&O technitian lading them into the TV.  And on the connected TV’s you get a list when setup of a new source.

Gene Ku wrote:

If B&O stopped hosting, the software, who has it (besides potentially B&O support who did not give it to me when I initially said I had a problem updating)?

If they ever did host it for manuel updates (which I am not sure) it would be whoever downloaded it. I am not aware of any source who should be hosting B&O updates oficial or unofficial.

 

Looking at your starting post again I have a follow up question. When you do the network setup on the TV (wireless or by cable?) Can you see that the TV get an IP adress and DNS server IP adresses?

 

[Madskp]

You might be able to get the software for manual update ifyou contact B&O support

[Madskp]

B&O stopped hosting the manuel software updates at one point. I am not sure if they were ever avsilable for the Internet connected TV’s.

The PUC tables are normally selected and downloaded when you setup your sources on the TV.

This thread mentions some of the same issues you have, but might not have a solution though

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/netradio-on-bv11/

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