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  • in reply to: Beogram 4500 – bypass the RIAA #59927
    Guy
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      • Warwickshire, UK

      Seriously, just connect the pins 6 and 7 on the DIN plug and you will get remote control through the Aux channel.

      I don’t think this will work, because being an RIAA equipped deck the datalink will already be on pin 7 and he already tried Tape 2.  I think that when plugged into Tape 2 his Beogram 4500 will be controlled only after selecting PHONO on the remote, but of course the audio is not then connected.

      EDIT:  Peter, you must be experiencing a little ‘deja vu’ 😀 – see https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/32271.aspx

      in reply to: Beogram 4500 – bypass the RIAA #59924
      Guy
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        • Warwickshire, UK

        I can’t vouch for the audio quality (I suspect it would be poor), but if you don’t want  to modify the BG4500 you could always feed it’s output through something like this and then in to the PHONO input:  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154567034473

        But you would have to convert DIN to Phono plugs (and reverse) and feed the datalink connect from DIN pin 7 of the input to DIN pin 6 of the output.

        in reply to: Beogram 4500 – bypass the RIAA #59922
        Guy
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          • Warwickshire, UK

          Do you know the way how to bypass the preamp of the Beogram 4500, please?

          As a Silver Member you are able to download the Service Manual here:  https://beoworld.org/?a=download&key=cae6a88b27cd8dd84ce21c7a01e06b95

          As you can see, many Beograms of that era (both with and without RIAA) share the same service manual because they are similar internally.  Basically, you want to disconnect/bypass PCB4 totally, and reconnect with the ‘non-RIAA’ muting circuitry as shown on page 2-1 in the little dotted area labelled ‘in versions without RIAA’.  The circuit diagram also shows that the datalink connection should be  moved from pin 7 to pin 6 as I mentioned earlier.  I haven’t attempted this myself, but if you are confident with hifi electronics it should be no problem.

          EDIT:  There’s a photo attached to McGruse post here that shows a BG4500 with RIAA removed – it may be some help! https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/26480/211502.aspx#211502

          in reply to: Beogram 4500 – bypass the RIAA #59915
          Guy
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            • Warwickshire, UK

            If bypassing the RIAA to use the BC9500’s PHONO input, you will also need to move the Beogram’s datalink connection from DIN pin 7 to DIN pin 6.   Non-RIAA-equipped Beograms use pin 6 for datalink, whereas RIAA-equipped use pin 7 (the same as Tape).  The Tape 2 input socket on BC9500 expects datalink on pin 7, and the PHONO input socket expects datalink on pin 6..

            Guy
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              • Warwickshire, UK

              I assume there is some sort of conflict between ML RADIO (which I want to be the BC2300 FM radio) and the B&O RADIO (effectively internet radio) that is part of the app. Anyone know if I can change settings to access the BC2300’s FM RADIO via the B&O app? EDIT: I have tried putting the BC2300 in A.OPT 0, and then adding an IR sensor to the NL/ML Converter – I have IR mapped the ML sources. I can select all mapped BC2300 sources (including RADIO) using the Beo4, but the RADIO source still does not appear in the app.

              Not really sure, but what if you map Radio to another source in the NL/ML converter?

              I have tried that – or at least I think I set up up to try that!  I think the problem is that under ‘App Settings’ I have to set ‘Product Controlled by Apps’ to ‘BeolinkConverter NL/ML with speakers’, otherwise I am unable to control anything on the BC2300 with the app, even CD and A.AUX.  I think this is the problem/conflict because the NL/ML Converter expects RADIO to be ‘B&O radio’, but still looks for (and selects) CD or AUX on the ML network.  With the IR sensor attached to the Converter, if I open the B&O app on my phone, and then use the Beo4 to select RADIO (or an alternative mapped command), then the BC2300 does switch to FM RADIO, but the app on my phone changes source to ‘B&O Radio’.  The other thing I an unable to do is control the BC2300 volume using the app, whereas I could do this when the Converter was attached to my BV10-32.

              If I change the ‘Product Controlled by Apps’ to the logical option of  ‘ML Audiomaster’ I have no control whatsoever over the BC2300.  This could well be a limitation* of using a BL1611, which is effectively being the ML Audiomaster for the BC2300.   I still don’t have a true ML Audiomaster (with FM RADIO such as Ouverture) with which to experiment.

              Anyway, it’s not a big deal but it was fun experimenting with the control possibilities across several decades of B&O equipment! 😀

              * I have attached a NL/ML Compatible B&O Products list which sadly gives little detail of BL1611 limitations but suggests I was lucky to get any control!

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              Guy
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                • Warwickshire, UK

                Hello, I have an side question on this topic. My converter is placed in the study and connected to speakers, it is used as a link room device AND to connect ML sources to NL units and reverse. So it’s set as Source center. Everything works fine with remote control, but unfortunately I cannot choose the converter as device controlled by app in it’s settings. Any idea?

                If I set mine as Source Centre I cannot chose the converter as ‘device controlled by app’.

                In your ML network, do you have a ML Videomaster and/or Audiomaster?  If there is no other ML Videomaster, you should be able to set the NL/ML converter as V.Master which will then allow you to select the converter as ‘device controlled …’.  Likewise for A.Master.

                EDIT:  If you do already have V.Master and A.Master on your ML network, then I think setting your converter as A.Slave will allow you to choose the converter as ‘device controlled by app’, but I am unsure what effect this will have on the rest of your system control!

                Guy
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                  • Warwickshire, UK

                  So today I am trying the NL/ML converter connected just to my BC2300 via a BL1611.  I have removed my Essence Mk2 from the setup (and B&O app) to avoid conflicts.

                  The converter is set as a V Master and I have ‘experience mapped to NL’ the three BC2300 sources RADIO, CD and A.AUX.

                  I can use the B&O App to select the BC2300’s CD (which starts playing) and can also select A.AUX which switches the BC2300 to AUX.  I can also power-down the BC2300 using the app.

                  What I can’t do is select RADIO (the BC2300’s FM radio) using the App – as you can see below it doesn’t even show up as a Music source.

                  Screenshot 2024-10-03 at 14.51.25

                  I assume there is some sort of conflict between ML RADIO (which I want to be the BC2300 FM radio) and the B&O RADIO (effectively internet radio) that is part of the app.  Anyone know if I can change settings to access the BC2300’s FM RADIO via the B&O app?

                  EDIT:  I have tried putting the BC2300 in A.OPT 0, and then adding an IR sensor to the NL/ML Converter – I have IR mapped the ML sources.  I can select all mapped BC2300 sources (including RADIO) using the Beo4, but the RADIO source still does not appear in the app.

                  Guy
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                    • Warwickshire, UK

                    In the old BeoMusic App the BV 10 is displayed as an icon. In the new app this functionality seems to be no longer active, as I, as well, get only the BLC on display. I have not set up my BLGW properly for all my rooms, yet. However, for those I did, I get e. g. the BS 9000 icon in the respective room, either in the BeoLink 2 or in the BeoLiving app. So I guess, it is likely to get the BV 10 icon as well in both of them. Kind regards, Rolf

                    Thanks Rolf – that’s useful to know and as I suspected.

                    in reply to: Connect Essence MKII with old IR eye? #59696
                    Guy
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                      • Warwickshire, UK

                      A quick update …

                      I now have an NL/ML converter, so I today connected my round ‘Timer version’ IR sensor and it controlled the converter perfectly, hence I have proved that there is nothing wrong with my IR sensor or RJ45 wiring.  I tried the IR sensor again connected to the Essence and it still didn’t work, despite yesterday’s Essence SW update.

                      It might be time to delve inside the Essence as @madskp suggested a couple of posts ago.  I have limited time at present and need to prepare my motorbike for its MOT tomorrow, so I will report back here when I have news.

                      in reply to: Connect Beolab 3500 to BeoSystem 2500 #59693
                      Guy
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                        • Warwickshire, UK

                        What extra pins are we talking about?

                        Annotated on the attached photo:

                        Pink carries power for the MCL system – 7V dc

                        White carries data – allowing the BL3500 to control the BC2500.

                        Cable-from-BeoLab-to-MCL2P- annotated

                        You could use a multimeter to check continuity according to the wiring diagram that I linked earlier. (Eg pink should go to Pin 2 of the MCL plug, and White to pin 6).  You could also open up the plugs to check that the correct colours are soldered to the correct pins at both ends.

                        in reply to: Connect Beolab 3500 to BeoSystem 2500 #59689
                        Guy
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                          • Warwickshire, UK

                          Like I said earlier, when pressing different buttons on the remote control, the red text on the display of the BeoLab 3500 gets brighter for a short period of time, but no input is working (for example: I can’t change the volume on the BeoLab 3500 even though the display gets brighter red when pressing the volume button on the remote control).

                          So did you try disconnecting the MCL cable from the BL3500 and then pressing LINK 2 STORE on the remote?  I am wondering if an incorrectly wired MCL cable (see below) causes the BL3500 to suppress IR reception.

                          The cable was cut into two pieces when I got it, so I had to solder the cables together. I’m not sure that left is left and right is right. But then I wonder, how can the two systems talk to each other if the cable is not connected in a correct way? Because when pressing buttons on the BeoLab 3500, the BeoSystem 2500 responds, but there is no sound coming from the BeoLab.

                          Whilst swapping L and R speaker channels would not be a problem, it’s important that the extra pins on the speaker connections are going to the correct L or R socket on the MCL2P – one carries power, the other data.  It is possible that getting these incorrect will cause the BC2500 to respond in some way but cause problems elsewhere.

                          EDIT:  Correct MCL2 cable wiring is shown here (second diagram) – colour coding may be different but you may wish to check yours with a multimeter: https://beoworld.org/wiring-diagrams/

                          in reply to: Connect Beolab 3500 to BeoSystem 2500 #59687
                          Guy
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                            • Warwickshire, UK

                            Does the BL3500 respond to any IR commands if the only connection to it is its mains/power cable?  Eg: LINK 2 STORE

                            Are you 100% sure that the Left/Right cables were connected to the correct speaker sockets on the MCL2P?  (I can see that one cable has ‘Left’ printed on it, but no harm in double checking!)

                            Guy
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                              • Warwickshire, UK

                              I have one question that isn’t covered in the NL/ML Installation Guide (version 1.4). Half way down the settings page there are ‘App Settings’. I have set the ‘Icon Shown in Apps’ to Beovision 10 as you can see below: (the other icon options are Beovisions 9, 8, 7 and 3) But I am unclear as to where to expect to see that BeoVision 10 icon. All I get when using the B&O app to control the TV (via Beolink Converter) is a picture of the Beolink Converter, as you can see below:

                              I have noticed this setting, but did not pay much attention to it for my test use of the converter. I think mine is set to Beovision 10, and in the App only the BLC NL/ML is shown as you have also noticed. Maybe more extensive users of the BLC NL/ML have more knowledge about this functionality.

                              Thanks for that confirmation.  I had a look through the Beolink Handbook v1.9 and ‘icons’ are mentioned with regard to the NL/ML converter (at the top of page 42).  I think the setting refers to the simple icons (rather than photos) that were displayed within the old (?) BeoMusic App when using Beolink Multiroom.  Perhaps the same icons are in the Beolink Gateway’s Beolink 2 app that was mentioned by Gregg above.

                              Anyway it’s not important.  Overall I am very impressed with the NL/ML Converter so far and look forward to experimenting further with some of my older equipment!

                              Guy
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                                • Warwickshire, UK

                                I set up my Essence Mk2 for the first time for a few weeks today, and noticed that another software update was available – namely 2.6.56379.258833281

                                Details are shown here (and unusually for the site it shows the date of release as 30 Sep 24):  https://update.bang-olufsen.com/products/58ba6c9e15524870a403957cdfbee6ab#version-2.6.56379.258833281

                                When I have time I will see if the update makes any difference to my IR  reception problems.

                                Guy
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                                  • Warwickshire, UK

                                  I recently got hold of a NL/ML Converter and have been having a play.

                                  Currently it’s connected as an Audiomaster between my BV10-32 and Essence Mk2 (There are no other ML or NL devices attached, and no speakers or IR sensors connected to Essence).  It seems to work well and I have Beo4 control of the Essence (through the TV) and limited B&O app control of the TV – quite impressed that I can also control the TV volume using my phone.

                                  I have one question that isn’t covered in the NL/ML Installation Guide (version 1.4).  Half way down the settings page there are ‘App Settings’.  I have set the ‘Icon Shown in Apps’ to Beovision 10 as you can see below: (the other icon options are Beovisions 9, 8, 7 and 3)

                                  Screenshot (298)

                                  But I am unclear as to where to expect to see that BeoVision 10 icon.  All I get when using the B&O app to control the TV (via Beolink Converter) is a picture of the Beolink Converter, as you can see below:

                                  IMG_8847

                                   

                                  Am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug in the B&O app?

                                  in reply to: Masterlink sound problem please advice #59419
                                  Guy
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                                    • Warwickshire, UK

                                    so only room one is now individual from the others

                                    I think that this is the best that you can hope for with only two ‘Passives’.   Two amplifiers = two volume levels.

                                    There are ways to separate out the rooms so that each has a discrete volume, but you would need to add either extra Passives, or Beolab (active) speakers.  As madskp has already said, a good solution would be to replace the entire system with one that is ML (rather than ML/MCL) based.  To do so, you would simply need a Passive in each room, each controlled by one of the newer round IR sensors, plus lots of ML cable (or equivalent).

                                    in reply to: Masterlink sound problem please advice #59389
                                    Guy
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                                      • Warwickshire, UK

                                      In your diagram, one thing that really doesn’t make sense is that the Beolink Passive 1655 appears to have both a masterlink connection (black wire) and a powerlink connection (orange wire).  For the passive, both of these are ‘inputs’ and only one should be connected.  Also, in your diagram the orange wire seems to comes from the box below, which I assume is an MCL2E (designed to extend the MCL system).  However, the orange connection from the MCL2E would be an MCL cable, rather than powerlink.

                                      I would try disconnecting the Powerlink connection from the Beolink Passive 1655 and see how the system behaves.

                                      If it then works, what you would have is effectively two MCL systems, each with its own ‘independent volume control.  (The Beolink Passive 1655 would be acting as a second ML/MCL converter)

                                      EDIT:  I have incorporated your diagram into my post to avoid having to click to open:

                                      B-O-schema-jpeg-1-scaled

                                      in reply to: Service Manual for low floor standing rotating tv stand #59340
                                      Guy
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                                        • Warwickshire, UK

                                        This from the service manual:

                                        stand

                                        And an old post here talks about stand cable colours BUT it actually refers to the older round (DIN) stand connector – B&O may have kept the same colours scheme.

                                         

                                        in reply to: Service Manual for low floor standing rotating tv stand #59337
                                        Guy
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                                          • Warwickshire, UK

                                          If you just want to replace the aluminium disc then I think you should be able to do so without disturbing any of the wiring.  Have you tried removing the moving bracket parts at the top of the stand (allen key required) and then simply lifting the disc up over the pole.  The cables should just tuck into the cable gap in the pole while you do this.

                                          Failing this, you can go under the stand base and unbolt the vertical pole, then feed the cable down through the pole as you remove it – again no requirement for any wiring to be disturbed.  I am not sure about the 10-40, but many B&O motorised TV stands also have a DIN connector within the pole for easy disconnection.

                                          This may help:  (You should be able to remove parts 9515 and then 9514 quite easily)

                                          s-l1600

                                          in reply to: Help Re-Furbishing a Beocom 1 Home System #59333
                                          Guy
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                                            • Warwickshire, UK

                                            Hi John and welcome to Beoworld!

                                            Have a look at the following compatibility table so you can work out compatibility between the various handsets and bases:

                                            Compatibility Table

                                            Assuming that you are using a BeoLine US with your BeoCom 1s, you should already be able to connect up to 8 handsets.  Perhaps you have other older/unused phones registered to the base, in which case you should delete them to release space for others.

                                            If you do have the BeoLine US, then you should be able to connect a BeoCom 2 (US) with the type numbers listed above.

                                            With regard to ‘refurbishment’ of your existing BeoComs, there is little that you can do other than fitting new batteries – this often solves problems with the phone or display and would be my approach in the first instance.

                                            Ref  speakerphone, I am not aware of any easy options, although some of the older ‘cabled’ BeoComs have built in speakerphone – BeoCom 2000 for instance.  You’d have to be careful to get one compatible with the US phone network.

                                            I hope this helps – come back and ask if you have further questions.

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