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Madskp
GOLD MemberPressing Menu, menu, 0, 2, GO now I sometimes get an error 1, 2 or 4 with both of my BLC 1611. hmmmm what to do
Started fault finding. Replaced the IR board with the one from the MK1 BL3500. Nothing changed.
Replaced the microcomputer board with the on from the BL3500, keeping the MKII IR board. Still errors.
Replaced both the microcomputer and the IR board. Now it works fine, so I think I can rule out the crossfield and plug board.
So the fault is probably in the Microcomputer or the IR board or both. Don’t know how dependent they are of working together from MKI and MKII.
Next step will be to control some voltages
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Madskp
GOLD MemberHere are some pictures of the Beogram
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Madskp
GOLD MemberNow it’s going to be exciting to see if it will also work with the BLC 1615 as that combination could make a ML link room with local datalink inputs
Time to do some testing with some of the new equipment.
BLC1615 (SW 1.5) AAL connected to MCL screw terminal on MCL2AV:
BLC1615 pin 2 – > MCL2AV Brown GND R, Grey GND L, Shield GND
BLC1615 pin 1 – > MCl2AV Yellow L
BLC1615 pin 4 – > MCL2AV Green R
BLC 1615 pin 6 – > MCL2AV White Data
As audiomaster I used BLC1611. MCL2AV in option 1.5
I works. I get sound from ML through BLC1615 to the MCL2AV. It only reacts to audio commands. also tried to change to option 2.5 with no change.
Edit 2023.06.05 Tried the same test with BLC 1615 Sw 1.0 and 1.1, and this also works
Also tried it with a BLC1614 (SW 1.0) while I had it all lined up, and it worked the same as the 1615.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberOk so I did some testing.
The Beolink Passive does not use the “normal” speaker on/off signal on PIN 4 in the 8 Pin DIN connectors, but instead Pin 1 Power up.
I have a fully wired RJ45 to 8 Pin DIN female adapter that I made myself. It is wired as shown on page 104 in the Beolink handbook 1.9:
I tried connecting between my adapter and the BL passive with some different powerlink cables without succes. Then I tried with an 7 Pin audio Aux cable and that did work.
Testing with a multimeter I can see that none of my powerlink cable has connections on Pin 1, but the Audio AUX has that.
So in conclusion a cable wire like the one shown in the picture above should work.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberNewer B&O TVs with RJ45 outputs don’t work correctly with Beolink Passive, as they don’t provide the correct trigger signals for the two trigger inputs of the Passive (one of these signals is missing in newer products).
I actually had a setup with a V1 and MCL2P at one point where I had the triggering working. I still have the V1 and also have af BL Passive, so I will try to make at test to see if I can get the V1 to trigger the BL passive, and report back about the cables and adapters used.
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Madskp
GOLD Membercould be so useful for something …
I once heard that 1, is Masterlink mode, 2 is Nespresso mode and 3 is Dyson mode, but I’m not really sure, the guy and me were really drunk at the time.
I think 2 and 3 requires even more black boxes ?
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Madskp
GOLD MemberOh goddamnit, you caught the Warwickshire flu! ;-D
Even I haven’t got it that bad! ??
not even with BEO4 remotes? ?
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Madskp
GOLD Memberjust a ML junction box attached with double sided tape. One of the more simple black boxes ?
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Madskp
GOLD MemberOh goddamnit, you caught the Warwickshire flu! ;-D
or just the Beo(blackbox)virus ?
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Madskp
GOLD MemberThis might be getting out of hand…
from left to right 1614, 1615 and 1610 some of them without official labels, and some in different software revisions.I might sell some of them to get a more manageable collection of black boxes
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Madskp
GOLD MemberSorry to hear that these remotes are so fragile. Have never had in my hands, so have no experience with them at all.
On thought, could it make sense to cut of a battery wire and connect it to AA og AAA batteries just to see if it lights up?
If it does and it can run off the for an acceptable amount of time could it make sense to convert it to none chargeable and just change batteries when dead?
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Madskp
GOLD MemberI hadn’t seen 1610s before, hence had to find additional info here: https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/39163.aspx I don’t think I need one …
I’m not really sure if they are useable without an AV9000, but I will of course try to test a few things with them
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Madskp
GOLD MemberWhile I had it open i did some probing with a multimeter to find out what the pins on the 8 Pin DIN connector goes to.
The PCB for the plugs are clearly redesigned compared to the MK1. For example PIN 2 is in use on this PCB. I have shown where the pins end up on the PCB in the picture below.
Pin 1 – As far as I can tell it has no connection to anything
Pin 2 – Ground for audio. Called GND REF on the block diagrams in the servicemanual
Pin 3 – Audio left – Called PL in L on the block diagrams in the servicemanual
Pin 4 – Not really sure. I measure 100 Ohms resistance between the numbered soldering point and the pin 3 on the flat cable to the crossfield PCB. It is called SP ON on the block diagrams in the servicemanual. Unfortnuatly I can’t trace it further from the connecter on the crossfiled PCB which looks very much the same as in a MK1 BL3500
Pin 5 – Audio right – Called PL in R on the block diagrams in the servicemanual
Pin 6 – DATA – Called DATA on the block diagrams in the servicemanual
Pin 7 – Ground for data – Called GNDD on the block diagrams in the servicemanual
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Madskp
GOLD MemberMadskp wrote: I will try with my other BLC 1611 later. Just did a test with the other converter with the same result. Both converters are known to be working from all my other testing, so this point at the fault being in the BL3500. Also The problems with IR commands is also present with only power conencted
Did a little disassembly to investegate on pinouts. Removed display module, cross field PCB and Micro computer.
After putting it back together I can now set options again, but no way I can choose a source.
Pressing Menu, menu, 0, 2, GO now I sometimes get an error 1, 2 or 4 with both of my BLC 1611.
hmmmm what to do
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Madskp
GOLD MemberI will try with my other BLC 1611 later.
Just did a test with the other converter with the same result. Both converters are known to be working from all my other testing, so this point at the fault being in the BL3500. Also The problems with IR commands is also present with only power conencted
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Madskp
GOLD MemberOK so the BL3500 does’t respond to other IR commands than service commands.
I could change option settings at first, but now it will not respond to them either.
It plays fine from PL by using Menu, Menu, 0, 4, GO.
Trying the service commands Menu, 0, 2, Go when connected to BLC 1611 gives me an error 4 which is Masterlink collision.
I will try with my other BLC 1611 later.
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Madskp
GOLD MemberYou said earlier that your BL3500 was SW1.2, so either you have upgraded it or got hold of another! I am looking forward to seeing further experiments and hopefully results!
Yes thats correct. But I was tempted to buy this one, and hopefully it will make us a little bit wiser.
First thing I’m planning to do is to open it up and cross check the pinout of the PL connecter, especially in regards to that internal connection called SP ON that is not on the MCL version.
To be continued…
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Madskp
GOLD MemberA little teaser post
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Madskp
GOLD MemberIs the P5 button located on another PCB like it is in a BM3000?
in that case I had similar trouble with a BM3000 where the problem was the soldered ribbon cable connections where they meet the PCB where there was one bad solder point, and one case where one of the wires going through the PCB was bent a little and short circiuted to one of the other pins
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Madskp
GOLD MemberBeovision LX2800 has a RS-232 serial interface for a printer in the form of a DIN socket at the rear of the cabinet. See page 18 (and 42) here: https://bnoservice.nl/handleidingen/beovision-lx-2800.pdf Martin
Wauw didn’t even think that something like that would have been built in. Guess many did not use this feature, but I must say that the manual is thorough regarding the setup including PIN outs and all.
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