[Madskp]

ebnrob wrote:

I just tried to set it to Link option 1, but it made no difference. Does the beo4 L.OPT function send the same sequence of key presses that you have to make on the 1000 remote?

It should do the same. However I can not rule out if the use of another IR eye does something to it in regards to the defaulting to option 2 like when no IR eye is present.

ebnrob wrote:

The version of my 1611 is 1.3 and the MCL2AV is 2.3 type 2026 which I believe is the same as yours. My MCL2AV has an aerial connection on the right which i’ve not seen in other online photos of it.

Both the same types yes, although I have not seen the MCL2AV with SW 2.3 and also the ariel connection which I thought was only present on the older type 2020 of it.

If you have a multimeter maybe you can measure between pin 4 and 2 on the powerlink connection on the MCL2AV to see if it is putting out 5V when you belive it is in option 1. If not it might not be in option 1

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[Madskp]

ebnrob wrote:

Madskp wrote:

To add further to this I just tried a setup with the Beocenter 9300 – 1611 – Beocenter 6-23. Again with both the datalink and powerlink cable between the BC9300 and the 1611. ALso here I can get the TV to start up by pressing one of the source buttons on the BC9300. So this point to the issue being how the MCL2AV relay this local source button commands to the connected TV.

Hi Madskp, Thank you for taking the time to test it with your gear. Much appreciated. I had another play around with it last night with the passive amp connected to the MCL2AV and the 1611 at the ready.I pressed play on the beogram, the amp turned on as expected, and I then pulled the powerlink from the amp and plugged it into the 1611. The NL converter then started playing! But then it didn’t do it a second time, so could have been a fluke. Could it be as simple as the PL port on the 1611 being used as the trigger to start the TV connected to the ML side? After thinking about this some more I wondered if the MCL2AV is detecting whether a speaker is connected to the PL port somehow to determine the mode, which the 1611 doesn’t react to? Did you have the MCL’s IR transceiver wired in when you did your tests? Cheers, Rob.

I think I have found out what it is. When I tested with the MCL2AV I might not have had enough focus on the option settings of that, but then I remembered that the powerlink sockets can only be used in option 1. To verify I tried to measure the voltage between pin 2 and 4 in the powerlink sockets of the MCL2AV, and it only has 5V when it is in option 1, so option 0 and 2 will not make the 5V.

I tried the setup with Beocord 3500 – MCL2AV (opt. 1) – 1611 – Beocenter 6 – 26 again, and when I pressed play on the Beocord the TV turned on and music was comming out of the speakers.

This is a little counter intuitive as the documentation says it should be in option 2 when the MCL2AV has no speakers connected and are connected to a TV, and will also default to option 2  if no IR eye is present.

However hopefully option 1 will do the trick. I can not test with my Beoplay V1 right now, but might be able to a little later if needed

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[Madskp]

I would think that you also will need some kind of signal on the mute pin in P57. I think that the principle is that the speaker circitry is being held in a mute state until activated.

I do not have acces to any diagrams of the Avant, so I can not come closer than this. If you still have the other parts and can turn it on you could meassure the voltage on the mute signal when its in standby and when the TV is on

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[Madskp]

Hello

First of the Wireless 1 has known to be unstable, probably because of inteference from other electronics that use the same frequency 2,4ghz (wifi, Bluetooth, baby monitors, wireless doorbells, microwave ovens etc.) so your milage may vary.

Masterlink to masterlink was not possible in the forst software revision. There is no way to check for the current software version unless you can get a dealer to check it with a servicetool. But units from serial number 19956171 should have SW 2.1 that support masterlink to masterlink. Also be sure to buy a pair that is known to work as different software revisions might not work togheter.

In order for this setup to work you will have to setup the TV as a link room TV that accept audio commands. That will be V.opt 6. You will not need a separate IR receiver.

Hope this is helpfull even though it might not be a optimal solution

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[Madskp]

To add further to this I just tried a setup with the Beocenter 9300 – 1611 – Beocenter 6-23. Again with both the datalink and powerlink cable between the BC9300 and the 1611. ALso here I can get the TV to start up by pressing one of the source buttons on the BC9300. So this point to the issue being how the MCL2AV relay this local source button commands to the connected TV.

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

I will try to see what results I get if I make a similar setup with my Beoplay V1. And I can also see if it makes any difference with a Beomaster/Beocenter with datalink instead of the MCL2AV.

I had some time for testing today, and tried with Beocenter 9300 – 1611 – BLC ML/NL – Beoplay V1. Connection between BC9300 and 1611 with both datalink cable and powerlink cable. The BC9300 in option 0. The BLC ML/NL setup as V.master. I can get the Beoplay V1 to turn on and play the music if I press CD on the front panel of the BC9300, so the functionality is there through the converter chain. I also tried without the Powerlink cable, and that does not work.

I then tried with a MCL2AV (the newest version I have with SW 2.3 which is the newest version that I know of) instead of the BC9300. I connected a Beocord 3500 as local source to the MCL2AV to have something to do the activation from. Regardless of option settings on the MCL2AV and restarts of the equipment I could not get the Beocord 3500 to activate the Beoplay V1. I could activate the Beocord 3500 with the remote from the Beoplay V1 so connection and controls are there.

To simplify things I the tried to connect the Beocord 3500 – MCL2AV -1611 combo with masterlink to a Beocenter 6-23 as this is more like the intended setup with MCL2AV and a TV (and I do not have any datalink MX tv). In this case I could not get the Beocord 3500 to activate the TV either. Tried with the TV in both option 2 and 6, but made no difference. Again I could control the Beocord 3500 with the TV remote.

I a wondering if the MCL2AV has this feature at all. I can not see it mentioned anywhere in the MCL2 documentation that I have available. I have not been able to find the user manual for X-tra TV kit. That could maybe have some mentioning of it.

An alternative for your issue could be to get an Beomaster 3500 (or 4500/5500/6500/7000) to use instead of the MCL2AV. That will of course no be as easy to hide away as the MCL2AV, but you can the choose to use the PHONO command to remote control the Beogram if you do no use the N.music command for something else.

 

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[Madskp]

ebnrob wrote:

I had some time last weekend to play around with it again, and started by replacing the PSU with a 12v switch mode PSU. The MCL2AV worked, however the IR port still read 7V. It was at this point I spotted the multimeter low battery symbol was on – and I recall it giving erroneous readings when low, so changed the battery and the IR voltage read correctly at 5v!! I then switched back to the original PSU and this read 20v – same as Guy’s. With the original PSU connected, the IR pins were giving 5v so all good! Phew

Good to hear that the voltages are ok after all. I have also been fooled by a multimeter with low voltage before 🙂

ebnrob wrote:

I then put all the connections back on to the 1611 as before, however the NL converter (as video master) wouldn’t activate when the beogram played (as it did before). I rebooted them etc in different orders, powered all down for 3 mins etc, all to no avail. So i changed the powerlink from the MCL2AV -> 1611 over to the passive amp’s PL input – so MCL2AV PL -> passive amp, and the amp turned on when play was pressed on the beogram! So I don’t know what the issue was with the 1611 not connecting to the NL converter.  I tried a few times to get it working again but couldn’t. It seems like the 1611 is activating into a video master mode when booting up now, not seeing the NL converter. I then tried changing the Option mode of the MCL2AV, but it didn’t seem to make any difference. Having only a Beo4 all I could do was go to the Option menu and tried both A.Opt and L.opt in option 0, option 1, and option 2 and option5. None of which made any difference, so at this point I gave up!

I will try to see what results I get if I make a similar setup with my Beoplay V1. And I can also see if it makes any difference with a Beomaster/Beocenter with datalink instead of the MCL2AV.

ebnrob wrote:

Maybe the MCL2AV needs the old beolink remote to change mode?

It should be fine with a Beo4 although I prefer using a Beolink 1000 for this task as it is faster to do it with a few button presses. Btw. the MCL2AV only reacts to L.opt, and only 0, 1 and 2 is relevant. Option 5 and 6 is something else on this than it is in masterlink terms and has to to with using a video recorder in the main room.

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

ebnrob wrote

Thanks for the tips. I’ve just checked the voltage and it’s reading 7.4v instead of 5v! Also the same in the ir data to ground. Checking the power supply – it’s outputting 30v! It’s rated 15v Dc and is one of the old heavy transformers – I’m guessing it’s not regulated. Could this be the problem? Just looked at the solder joints on the underside and all look good. Thanks for your help!

30V does sound to high a voltage even if it’s unregulated. I think Guy at one point mentioned that his original power supply was outputting 20V. The 30V might be out of spec for the voltage regulator that on the older versions should output 5.5V and on the newer version 5.0V, so 7.5V also way to high. I have done some tests using a 12V regulated pover supply for the MCL2AV and that does seem to work. Just be aware that the MCL2AV use reversed polarity. The easiest will be to use one of these universal power supples where you can replace and rotate the tips. If you try this I will suggest that you measure the 5V again before you try to connect another IR eye ( and who knows maybe the white one will have survived). Hope this helps

@ebnrob just out of curiosity did you happen to try with another power supply?

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

but I think that the update is only needed in order to have the BS4 pass LIGHT commands to the ML Gateway

Ok that also explains why the Beolab 3500 works with it. I have a note about a SW 3.35 that supports the ML gateway, but might also just be for the light commands.

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

It is working – I can make it work with my Beosound 4, Beovision 8, Beolab 3500, Beolab 2000 and Beolink Passive, which I have in my ML Network.

I saw you mentioned a too old software in the BS4 in another thread. Was the newer software not necessary after all, or is it just working with limitations?

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[Madskp]

BTW the Almando Multiplay Stereo looks to be able to switch between 4 audiosources, so if your need is only to use one set of speakers to alle three units that would also be a possibility.

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[Madskp]

I have an older version of the Almando powerlink switch that I am using to share a set of Beolabs between a Sonos Port and a Beoplay V1 TV. This has been working without issues for almost 10 years now. Only negative I see is the price compared to The alternative from Oneremote (which I have no experience with)

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[Madskp]

I will repport back with my experience

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[Madskp]

Multicare wrote:

Madskp wrote:

still say 14 minuttes ago

Is this in the home page where you notice the issue?

Yes it is, sorry for not mentioning that

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[Madskp]

Multicare wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

difference between ‘Fresh Topics’ and ‘Latest Topics’

As far as I can tell Fresh Topics – Shows the most recently created reply to a topic (seems that it is also known as Latest topics which is shown on the homepage of forum.beoworld.org) Latest Topics – Shows the most recently created topics

My experience is that earlier fresh topics did both, but at some point recently some topics does not show up in fresh topics and can only bee seen in latest activity. That might very well be topics without replies.

One other odd thing I have noticed about latest activity is that sometimes it can show that topic was created for example 14 minuttes ago. If I check again later it will still say 14 minuttes ago regardless which browser and/or device I use

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[Madskp]

Thanks thats good to hear 😀

I would also have expected problems to have showed up by now if there were any

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

h, great tip, thanks!  I happen to have an audio aux cable, so I’ve used that to test both, and the displays are working, and displaying all of the data from the BS4 (source, preset/track number, volume).

Great to hear that it indeed is working. It might only be some Beovisions that have limitations in showing display data.

 

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[Madskp]

Wauv sounds like a nice find 😀

The MK3 powerlink cable do not carry the data signal that is needed to get the display data, so you will need a fully wired MK2 powerlink cable for that.

I do not know if the BS4 has any limitations in what data it is sending, but if you want to test before you buy a new powerlink cable you can test it by using a 7 Pin Audio Aux cable

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[Madskp]

ebnrob wrote

Thanks for the tips. I’ve just checked the voltage and it’s reading 7.4v instead of 5v! Also the same in the ir data to ground. Checking the power supply – it’s outputting 30v! It’s rated 15v Dc and is one of the old heavy transformers – I’m guessing it’s not regulated. Could this be the problem? Just looked at the solder joints on the underside and all look good. Thanks for your help!

30V does sound to high a voltage even if it’s unregulated. I think Guy at one point mentioned that his original power supply was outputting 20V.

The 30V might be out of spec for the voltage regulator that on the older versions should output 5.5V and on the newer version 5.0V, so 7.5V also way to high.

I have done some tests using a 12V regulated pover supply for the MCL2AV and that does seem to work. Just be aware that the MCL2AV use reversed polarity. The easiest will be to use one of these universal power supples where you can replace and rotate the tips.

If you try this I will suggest that you measure the 5V again before you try to connect another IR eye ( and who knows maybe the white one will have survived).

Hope this helps

 

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[Madskp]

I just remembered that at some point I did some testing of a MCL2A where the IR eye would not show no lights either.
It turned out the connection from the screw terminal to the print board was bad, maybe a cracked trace if I remember correctly. This can be caused by the screew terminal being handled too hard.

Could be worth checking the connections on the back of the print board

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