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[Beobuddy]

That’s the same as with the Eclipse and Harmony.
The Beoremote One BT act as an 2 way remote. Options are send into the BR1BT.
Under listing of TV/Music you will get the different sources. And under List you’ll get the different options/settings.

Location: Utrecht

[Beobuddy]

Millemissen wrote:

No need to go crazy – your 5’s seem to work great……with PL. A connection with a receiver 1 is – with the 5’s – not possible. At least I know of noone, who has made that possible. MM

A question which did came up last weekend.
B&O still sells these receiver 1’s.
The question is whether these receivers work with BL5’s and directly to let’s say a Harmony, Eclipse or Theatre with Wisa. I know that the BL5 needs the powerlink data to start. Otherwise they switch on but you will have no sound.
Are there different revisions made?

Location: Utrecht

[NQVHNWI]

This is an interesting question. Im going to have a look soon at a Theatre to see if it is worth it. I dont like the stand options and I am still “burnt” from the uselessness of the Eclipse

1. Specialised LG Panel which no longer available
2. The LG Interface and operating parameters rather than pure B&O which could be more of the same.
3. The Soundbar of the Eclipse cannot keep up with the BL90s. Better to mute the Soundbar and use BL90 phantom. Works much much better. Will Theatre keep up?

The marketing seems to suggest yes and seems to indicate it has a DSP which can maximise desirable sound dispersion. The question would have more to do with distance/direction and quality of the front loudspeaker vs the Theatre. I think a pair of BL90’s as fronts and 1.5-2m apart from either side of the Theatre should (according to marketing) interact better than say Bl4000/BL17/BL3, 0.5m apart from a Theatre.

[NQVHNWI]

(EDIT: Moved from theatre thread to avoid thread drift!)

355F,

I have had similar problems with an Eclipse Mk1. Under warranty, I had the internal HDMI cable replaced (the one in the impossible space between the screen and the sound bar. This seemed to work for awhile but soon started back up again to the disappointment of the Dealer.

I don’t know your circumstances, and what is connected to the BV, but by accident, I believe I found a cause. Our habit of traditional BVs and BSounds is to play say TV, then to flick to say CD or Video. The BV takes care of all the standby routines so only one source is active.

With LG app, music player can stay on all the time and I think this overworks the internal LAN receiver and causes a brief disconnect. The manifest is reduced BT control (both The BV and remote options) and a hard reboot, unplugging for 3 minutes etc is the only way it goes away for a while.

I have used the curser control to ensure the blue X is presses off in the LG music player app if ever used. (Because with LG, a number of sources can run concurrently). This seems to have eliminated the problem. I think this is an LG/B&O compatibility problem and something B&O should have sorted but it seems difficult to replicate somehow.

see if this helps?

 

[NQVHNWI]

Im sure it is more complicated than this…..but what drives me nuts on the Eclipse (Gen1) is the LG interface, with the Beolink control of sound etc…..it is total cr@p and very un-B&O.

Therefore, the error with all B&O TVs and Soundbars is the lack of video engine and tuner. I thinking if they had done this, the monitor part would have been irrelevant and B&O would have full control and upgradability rather than have a product which is totally subservient to the 3rd party monitor.

The BS Theatre continues this approach as far as I can see with limited screen compatibilities.  I wonder if the BS Theatre will work on an LG 65 G3 or G4? I’d wager it could have difficulties.

[AdamS]

If it’s any consolation, the messages and problems you are experiencing sound almost identical to the problems we had with our Eclipse 65″ when we bought it a few years back. It came from B&O Winchester and it took a couple of visits from their engineer but they sorted it out in the end and it has behaved perfectly for the last three years (touch wood!)

What I’m saying is – keep try and don’t give up. Not only is the end worth it but this is a premium product so be polite but firm that you want it sorted out.

[355f]

Thank you Steve

I have been a B&O customer for many years buying the later products

RE: beolab 20
Participants: geoffmartin (Block), 355f

355f
2 mins ago
Dear geoff

 

Thank you for your kind response.

I purchased the Eclipse only 5 months ago from Bang and Olufsen in Cambridge.

When purchasing it i was informed the MK2 had been developed to accept future LG panels for some considerable time- in fact four months later the MK 3 comes out, so clearly that was not correct

I contacted  the CEO but never had a response!!

Since day one the eclipse would show a message indicated in the enclosed picture that HDMI2 had disconnected and almost immediately another banner stating it had reconnected ; unfortunately upon doing so one looses all sound and loss of control from remote and the app states the TV is offline.

The only way is to continue to remove the mains supply repeatedly until it operates again; increasingly now though all one gets is no picture or sound and a green flashing light on the front stand LED and a white flashing light at the back of the sound centre.

Most of the individuals i know who bought B&O in the past have deserted the brand; I however have stayed loyal to it but these issues are something i have never encountered in other products. I sold the Avant for this after having had three video boards replaced each time taking weeks and weeks to fix.

 

[Emilos88]

That is really sad to hear. There should be a dealer that could solve the problems for you. What are the problems with the Eclipse?

[355f]

Having been a purchaser of B&O for many years I have finally give up

The eclipse mk 2 bought only 6 months ago has had endless problems from the start; my local dealer in the UK has closed and B7O support is useless.

To add insult to injury, I have recently purchased some beloab 28; they failed to operate after 30 hours and I am left with no support whatsoever

Even he CEO doesnt reply

 

 

[jvezina]

I will reply in English.

Unfortunately, Disney doesn’t consider the first generation Eclipse as a LG branded set and refuses to provide the app. Possibly B&O would have to pay a license to Disney to have the app provided.

If you want the app, you will have to buy an Apple TV and run it from that device.

Regards,

Jean

 

My B&O Icons:

[MathiasMuc]

Hallo zusammen,

ich habe einen Beovision Eclipse 65 mit der Software 03.60.60. Leider schaffe ich es nicht die Disney Plus App zu installieren, da ich sie nicht im Content Store finde. Im Internet habe ich aber gelesen, dass die App ab WebOs 3.0 installiert werden kann. Meines Wissens nach hat der Eclipse WebOs 3.5?

Vielen Dank

Mathias

[Sandyb]

Thanks for the post, and your impressions more or less match mine, when I heard the Theatre on Sunday.

I have 50s as left and right front speakers, and am used to a very wide (some would say massive) soundstage. And coming from that starting point, and desire, listening to the Theatre on its own the soundstage, while noticeably bigger than the Eclipse (for example), was not wide enough for me.

It is wide enough though, and good enough, to me that I can see that starting with the Theatre alone, the first sensual addition is for rear speakers rather than adding front l/r.  That to me is the difference between the Theatre (as sound centre) and the Eclipse (or other prior BV’s) where the first addition would clearly be front l/r speakers.

But like you, music is much more important to me, so the 50s up front will remain, and will continue to be fed directly (via RCA) by my Linn streamer/DAC and turntable.

Good luck with your setup though – sounds mighty capable, whether you put your upcoming 28s besides the Theatre up front, or as rears. My experience of that setup – the triangle, with 28s as rears, and Theatre only top front, was extremely good.

[geoffmartin]

Hi Trackbeo,

Just like the BV11/Eclipse/Harmony, the Theatre gives you the option to not use True Image if that’s what you’d prefer, and just like the Harmony, if you choose Downmix instead, then by using only a 5.x or a 7.x output, I think that you’ll get what you’re asking for.

If you choose 1:1 mode instead, then your output will be a direct reproduction of the input. So (as long as you have outputs assigned to the appropriate Speaker Roles) then the whole up- and down-mixing processing is bypassed – which may also be closer to your preference.

The goal (as always) is to make a system that has enough “handles” to be customisable for your preferences.

 

As for Floyd’s Circle of Confusion: as much as I like Floyd (I’ve known him for decades…) I disagree with his circle. In contradistinction to this concept, there is a reference: whatever the recording or mastering engineer heard in the studio. Take 100 recordings and count how many are made with the intention of making you feel like the musician is in your living room… The number will be very close to 0. (Just like there are no movies that are created to make you feel like you’re one of the cast, or sitting in a theatre watching a play.) So the circle becomes a line, where the point of “truth” is in the middle. Of course, achieving that target is impossible, since no two studios or studio monitors are  identical… But this is a different discussion, best had over a pint.

Cheers
-geoff

 

[Sandyb]

OK, I’ve just come back from spending 40 minutes listening to the Theatre.

The B&O area in Selfridges, London has had a Theatre installed in their small listening room, with BL18s as front l/r, and BL28s as rears.

I posted the below on Discord:

Their set up is Theatre, BL 18s left / right front, and BL28s rears, all in the relatively small room that was shown in the photos yesterday……
We’ve all seen enough photos of the Theatre now, so in real life, nothing will change vis a vis your visual appreciation……if you liked it from the pictures, you’ll like it in real…..if you dont, then you probably wont…….they had the 65 Theatre on the floor stand…

Sound wise – i listened to the Theatre on its own (speaker group 1 in their setup), the Theatre in a group called TrueImage (Theatre, 18s fronts, 28s rears), and a 3rd speaker group Theatre + rear 28s (i.e no front left / right 18s)……

I wanted to gauge how good the Theatre was on its own – speak group 1 above….And its a pretty big sound, certainly more voluminous (width / depth / height) than the Eclipse. Was it mnd blowing on its own? Not to me, no. In simple terms, if i had a Harmony, its broadly similar, and i wouldnt feel compelled to change (on sound considerations)

I also wanted to gauge whether i (and this is just me) the Theatre alone would remove the need for front speakers (L/R) – and to me, no…i’d definitely still retain a dedicated set of front l/r speakers…..for context i like a massive wide soundstage, and my lounge is 3-4 times the size of the listening room.

Flicking between their group 1 (Theatre on its own) to group 2 (adding BL18s fronts) was reasonably different to me – there’s just quite a bit of extra width with dedicated fronts…..

Speaker group 3 – the B&O triangle lets call it – Theatre + 28s rears, was extremely good….oddly enough, i can see why they recommend this…..in this configuration, i didnt really miss the BL18s front l/r……..for a decent but not large livign room, i can see why that will be a very good setup…..

[Emilos88]

Sandyb wrote:

app setup / settings looks decent enough to my eyes. I wonder if that means there is no / very little B&O menu section that shows up / can be shown on the LG panel itself. (I’m not overly familiar with the Eclipse / Harmony generations to be honest). Anyway, I dont especially mind doing most of the settings on the app. not sure if that way will appeal to everyone though. Guess we’ll find out in a few weeks.

The soundbar can be used with any screen, so therefore there needs to be a app option. On a correct LG model, it is as we are use to.

[Sandyb]

app setup / settings looks decent enough to my eyes.

I wonder if that means there is no / very little B&O menu section that shows up / can be shown on the LG panel itself. (I’m not overly familiar with the Eclipse / Harmony generations to be honest).

Anyway, I dont especially mind doing most of the settings on the app.

not sure if that way will appeal to everyone though.

Guess we’ll find out in a few weeks.

[Emilos88]

It very much depends on the future design on the OLED from LG,

So maybe, maybe not. B&O have no control over LG, so it is wrong to promise anything with the Eclipse.

The Theatre is a whole other approach, but it is not as integrated as the Eclipse. There is plusses and minus with every solution.

I would not think much about it, imo there is nothing new to want in the next couple of years thinking about panels.

[Sandyb]

Guessing yes – there was after all a reason that the Eclipse was modified to a v3.

At the same time, the Eclipse is very close to being discontinued.

 

[355f]

4 months ago I bought an eclipse MK2 from my dealer and was informed that this model will accept future panels fromLG,  I did not buy the original MK1 just for reason it was built with one panel in mind

Fast forward a few months it looks like we have eclipse 3, with the G2 panel- does this mean that the future upgradeability i was promised lasted for 6 months only??

[SimonWeir]

In the last 8 years I have direct swapped from Avant 55 with motorised floor stand to an Eclipse Gen 1 with motorised arm bracket to an Eclipse Gen 2 using same motorised bracket.  Connected to 3 pairs of BeoLab 17 and a BeoLab 19 all via WiSA.  Only swapped so quickly as the Avant 55 screen went red and required a board change under warranty and the Eclipse Gen 1 screens showed ghosting where Sky News ticker banner is, and no LG C9 screen could be sourced.

I was planning to swap again to Eclipse Gen 3 to get the LG G2 screen, but may consider Theatre with 55” screen on the motorised arm bracket, but I don’t like the look, (don’t like the BeoLab 28 look either) and I have found a workable TrueImage Atmos via Apple TV outputting LPCM, or my Panasonic UB820 sending 7.1 over LPCM for UHD Discs.

Due to the limitations of my room the Soundcenter is always set to FL, CF, RF, and cannot add any speakers to take over the Front role.

1 of my BL17 is set to CH (above the Eclipse when it is powered off but just behind above the Eclipse when it travels out) and this really aids the Soundcenter centre channel.

Other BL17 are set to:

SL, SR, LB or LSH, RB or RSH, depending on source.

I have tried many locations and settings for the BL19 and have returned to all 9 speakers filtered to the sub.  I did for a long time run with only the speakers in the Soundcenter filtered to the sub and the BL17s unfiltered as I liked the extra base round the room… bit like how this will now be with the Theatre.

All the above being said, I have SMS the hero that is John at Manchester Bang Olufsen for an audition of a Theatre as soon as they have one in the store and setup to decide on whether now is the time to swap and to what.