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  • in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10171
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    You can set the guide button in the Sky Q settings to take you to the home menu.  This follows through when using PUC.  Using the Beoremote with Sky Q in your hand is more natural than the OEM Sky remote as the home button is a stretch for your hand being in the centre of a wide remote.

    Have no fear in making the change the beoremote is another thing B&O do so well… it just works with every source.  I have it set to Sky Q on PUC A and Apple TV4k on PUC B.  Just a shame only 2 PUCs as HDMI-CEC for my Blu-ray is not as good as PUC, which I had before on the Eclipse, so I will when loading the actual disc use the on the player controls to get the movie playing.

    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10169
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    You work with the room you have.  My wife and I sit on a sofa each so with  the Eclipse I followed the TSG instructions of setting distances to the ear of the person sitting closest to each speaker, and the effect worked very well.  Also each speaker was set to 65db.  So the Eclipse worked out the delays and all sound got there correctly.

    For general TV and the Saturday night film, the surround works adequately.  I used to set the middle of the 3 BL17 speakers to Surround Left so both seating positions had that close to them, this was better than Centre Back which was a mix of both SL + SR.

    When we watch UHD Blu-ray with the doors to the dining room open the Back Left + Right BL17 give good rear sound and we’re calibrated to +6 db, which was the maximum.

    When it is just me listening to music I reposition myself so I am more in the middle with the TV in standby position flat against the wall, only using the 4 x BL17 + BL19 and this sound is excellent for Stereo.

    My system demands a dedicated cinema/listening room but as I said at the start you work with the room you have.

    This is where B&O excel in the room calibration and to my ears and those of the installers we can get a sweet spot, which is mighty impressive.  From the few hours listening I can confirm the Theatre does this better than the Eclipse.

    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10156
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    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10153
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    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10148
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    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10147
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    Everything is working however I will be writing to B&O support, because there is a problem with the mic calibration and what can be edited in the app.

    I have an odd room layout of sofas which in my Eclipse I could fix in the edit… I have a BL17 behind and above the Theatre which was in the Eclipse set to Centre Hight, but this role does not exist in the Theatre.   NB. a few of the roles in the Harmony/Eclipse are not in the Theatre e.g. Wide, CH, CB, Ceiling etc.  Now I can work around that as I assume they were not recognised Atmos roles but TrueImage roles.  Shame though as not now as per the latest BeoVision TSG.

    Problem when using the mic is it picks this speaker up as Front Right and does not use the FR in the Theatre.  In the edit I can reassign the BL17 but I cannot edit the Theatre roles assigned by the mic, so now I am missing a FR.  I cannot understand why the app does not let you edit the Theatre roles when connected with other speakers.  Only if you only select the Theatre on its own can you edit these.  My fix is to not select this specific speaker when running the calibration.

    To use all 4 x BL17s or all 6 x BL17s (when I open up the portion doors where I have another set of BL17 set to be Back Left & Right in my Atmos listening position), with my BL19 I have to set these as their own group (without the Theatre) and only for music.

    Another thing to remember is it is very easy to delete your initial stand position and then create new groups but now the stand does not move until you recalibrate the stand.  Would be great to have a ‘save changes’ or ‘exit without saving’ option if you change your mind, because I did this a few times after the installers left… even called them to come back as I thought I couldn’t fix it myself, but with patience I got there on my own.

    We also worked out why on Friday we lost the Sky Q and Apple TV… the 4K HDMIs in the wall from the Eclipse Gen 2 install were reused (2 years old) but these were not 10bit compatible with the Sky Q, despite being advertised they were, so today all the HDMIs were replaced.  In total, and I know I am one of the first motorised wall brackets globally installed in a residential home it took 1.5 days to get to where I am at, so learning for the installer and me.  They were great and showed patience, but with every B&O product I have they have never worked perfectly from the start… every time I have needed the installers to come back; I acknowledge usually because I have played and altered a setting but for what I have spent they should be bullet proof and fully user acceptance tested.

    Finally, despite assurance the bracket plate is identical as the bracket for the Eclipse, it is not the same, so you cannot reuse the same holes if you are going for the same size TV.  The Eclipse had 14 holes but the Theatre has 13 holes but spaced narrower together.  In my case in the same space a 65” fits where was once a 55”, so expected filing and repainting.

    Whilst I remember, would have been nice that the Beoremote changes ‘Speaker’ to ‘Listening Position’, so matches app.  Also that you can also use the stand option, as it only has ‘Manual Control’.  There are time when I want a different combination to those combined ‘Listening Positions’ created in the app.

    It sounds like I am only moaning, but I can appreciate the more powerful sound especially how the Centre channel is so much clearer.  I do think it could have had more PUCs and an extra HDMI as the eARC uses one, so I have needed to put my UHD into the LG G2 to use the universal control HDMI-CEC, but as the pass through is now the reverse path, for some unknown reason it doesn’t recognise Atmos via bitstream and so still needing to use PCM to get 7.1. From the Panasonic DP-UB820EB.

    Photos to follow asap.

    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10050
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    It is up on the wall, and the motorised bracket is much beefier and quieter than the Eclipse.  We are having some teething problems and so the Manchester stores is back to me on Monday AM to finish.

    It is not calibrated yet but I can confirm the step up from 55” to 65” is great for viewing and even better doesn’t seem to fill the wall much more because of the Eclipse’s over hanging Soundcenter.

    I won’t lie I was upset last night because it didn’t get finished in a day, more so that it won’t be until Monday; but it was a day of learning for the installers and a learn for me to never agree a Friday install again.

    A little nugget for you I went to see John today in the Manchester store and he had his filming equipment out so whilst he didn’t confirm he was making a video, I expect a posting soon.

    I will also offer John to film mine as the bracket mechanism is a joy also good for people to understand what to do when your room is not the perfect shape.  The mic calibration was not assigning all my speakers to the roles I expected.

    …Long story short, please have patience and I will reveal my setup very soon.

    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #10004
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    My install is happening today.  It will be the first motorised wall bracket for the Manchester store.  I am moving from an Eclipse Gen 2 55” to a Theatre with a LG G2 65”.  Interestingly the actual physical size difference is minimal due to the protruding beyond the screen soundcenter on the Eclipse.  Hoping the increase in screen size will be epic for movies but not too overwhelming for general TV.

    I will add pictures once it is up and running.

    As I have it I will be connecting my BeoLab 19 subwoofer (moving to wired from WiSA as I experience nightly momentary drop outs where the sub stops, flashes red and then immediately green and is playing again 5 seconds later, I tried different locations in my room but it still happen most nights between 10 PM and 11 PM, so my neighbours or something in my house is causing this), along with my 3 x sets of BeoLab 17 speakers for surrounds & height on WiSA (rock solid connection, so assume the radio is better on these than the BL19).

    in reply to: New product launch – beosound theatre? #8374
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    In the last 8 years I have direct swapped from Avant 55 with motorised floor stand to an Eclipse Gen 1 with motorised arm bracket to an Eclipse Gen 2 using same motorised bracket.  Connected to 3 pairs of BeoLab 17 and a BeoLab 19 all via WiSA.  Only swapped so quickly as the Avant 55 screen went red and required a board change under warranty and the Eclipse Gen 1 screens showed ghosting where Sky News ticker banner is, and no LG C9 screen could be sourced.

    I was planning to swap again to Eclipse Gen 3 to get the LG G2 screen, but may consider Theatre with 55” screen on the motorised arm bracket, but I don’t like the look, (don’t like the BeoLab 28 look either) and I have found a workable TrueImage Atmos via Apple TV outputting LPCM, or my Panasonic UB820 sending 7.1 over LPCM for UHD Discs.

    Due to the limitations of my room the Soundcenter is always set to FL, CF, RF, and cannot add any speakers to take over the Front role.

    1 of my BL17 is set to CH (above the Eclipse when it is powered off but just behind above the Eclipse when it travels out) and this really aids the Soundcenter centre channel.

    Other BL17 are set to:

    SL, SR, LB or LSH, RB or RSH, depending on source.

    I have tried many locations and settings for the BL19 and have returned to all 9 speakers filtered to the sub.  I did for a long time run with only the speakers in the Soundcenter filtered to the sub and the BL17s unfiltered as I liked the extra base round the room… bit like how this will now be with the Theatre.

    All the above being said, I have SMS the hero that is John at Manchester Bang Olufsen for an audition of a Theatre as soon as they have one in the store and setup to decide on whether now is the time to swap and to what.

    in reply to: Apple TV 4 PUC #3647
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    My Apple TV 4K is connected by PUC to an Eclipse Mk II and previously older Apple units to an Avant 55 and a Eclipse Mk I.  Whichever Apple units and whichever BeoVision product I have always needed to set the Apple TV to go into standby after 15 mins, as the PUC off has never worked.

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