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Hi there Morten, there is not much I can add but yes.
This issue, which some users had early on, seems to have returned somehow.
I have 2 rooms with Theatres, and both are doing it now.
I would tentatively suggest it happens more with PUC controlled sources, though I cant swear that it’s only those sources. But yes, at times if the BR1 is idle for a while, then the Theatre/BR1 are unresponsive to the next key press, and it can take a minute or two, and repeated key presses for communication to then re-establish itself. Once it does, everything is ok again.
And just to reiterate, its now happening on both of my Theatres, both on latest 2.5.5
yes, has started to happen to my living room Theatre setup.
If the remote is idle for a while, it can take a minute or so for communication to return back to normal.
I’ve kind of given up logging issues with online support, as the service is frustrating and not good.
The retailer screenshots I have seen show this : (UK price changes0
Theatre – 5990 GBP to 7990
H95 – 780 up to 880
BR1 – 300 up to 400.
One screenshot says average price increase on the portfolio of 24-30%.
Hard to interpret exactly how they have calculated this figure to be honest.
The 90s are going from 110k euro to 125k euro.
Does seem like an across the board change, of varying %’ages.
speaking of price increases, one of the UK B&O retailers has emailed out some of the new prices.
Looks broad, i.e.plenty of products affected, perhaps the whole portfolio subject to “24 to 30%” increase.
The UK Theatre price is up 33% – 7990GBP from 5990GBP.
I wish them the best of luck.
thats what I thought.
theatre + 28s up front (and 8000s rears) should set you up well for years.
my living room is 5.5m by 5m – modest but not huge. I have 50s, but at times with action movies, its almost too much.
not clear that the OP does just want 2 speakers
rears are 8000’s he says – assuming those are staying.
anyway, we can await his thoughts
I moved from 18s (up front) to 50s, but that was primarily for music reasons, as the 18s never really did it for me music wise.
But in your case, I’m pretty sure 28s are more than adequate, in fact they’d be very good for both films and music.
As for only having a Theatre up front, and using 18s/28s/8000s (whichever) as rears (the Theatre triangle, if you will), while its a feasible option (vs previous BVs) because the Theatre as centre unit can create a wider soundstage on its own than an Eclipse for example, that width only goes so far.
In the store I listened to the triangle (no fronts) and then the triangle with added 18s front L/R – and having dedicated fronts was a good deal better.
if those are your use cases, surely get the Balances with that good offer, for music. And an LG + Stage for tv.
The Theatre is decent enough for music, but for those music listeners used to separation, it’s not likely to be good enough. The Balance pair / 18s pair though, should be good enough.
dont think a pair of Balances will work for TV watching I’m afraid.
There ay be a way of connecting them using their line-in inputs – but the recent Beosound (Theatre aside) products have had non-adjustable (and long) input delays, which means that voice and image will have horrible lip-sync issues.
My dealer (when I bought 17s for use with. my Theatre) brought his laptop, connected with cable to the 17s, and did it from there (service tool I guess).
Willie on the podcast says that it fact it needs to be done via a Transmitter 1 I think, to get the “latest” software.
Mine were done via laptop, and have been fine with the Theatre (contrary to my prior fears!)
also, bear in mind that the theatre price is going up 20% (yes 20!) on august 15th.
sounds like you’ll be ahead of that obviously, but just worth mentioning.
B&O Selfridges just had their best ever quarter.
Didnt translate to the bottom line (i.e revenues not growing).
But their new target market are clearly not inflation sensitive.
20% though. Quite the punchy move.
Word has it that the Theatre (and 50s) are about to have a 20% price rise.
They need to get these things working flawlessly I’d say, otherwise their new HWNI’s target market wont be as forgiving as we can be.
Well that was kind of my point. They will sell them, as they have quickly sold out all of the similar recent limited edition things (i.e the stuff at UHNWI prices).
But the risk is that their more mainstream products / releases become more humdrum over time.
And as per your last sentence, the direction of travel has clearly been to raise prices and margins to compare with some of the more successful global luxury brands. This is indeed what the company has said on their investor calls.
It will mean that for some here, possibly myself too, some of their regular portfolio (be it Beolabs or Beosounds) are either out of reach or just down make sense.
Re their target market now, I’d point everyone to all their recent investor updates of the last 1-2 years.
They are targeting Ultra High Net Worth Individuals. I’ll leave it up to everyone here to decide whether they fit in that category, or Very HNWI just below, or anything below that. This is not my interpretation, this is what they have said.
Lower production volumes, much more bespoke and customisation, and made to order stuff. A production process more like Ferrari they mentioned last call i.e order, and long lead time.
Will there be still stuff for the more regular B&O customer? Sure, but the risk is that the more functional products will start to look a bit ho-hum, while the wow stuff will be at this price bracket.
Completely agree.
I have no issue, and indeed actively encourage, brave design decisions. Classic designs are often borne out of such decisions. Timeless achievements come out of this.
But this is, if anything, divisive only because of its price, nothing more.
The only achievement of these 50-60k systems is taking money from the mega wealthy. And perhaps, in line with the investor updates of the last 12-18 months, perhaps we should take more literally (their view/words) them becoming a company for the super wealthy alone.
Hard to enthuse about this kind of thing.
why so much effort?
I think the answer is the price.
The cabinet is desperately uninspired too, to my eyes.
indeed – if we look at the price of the 72-22 that came with BL18s, we can probably make an educated guess as to what this (with Bl28s) will be.
I know they sell out these limited run products, but its become a little sad that some of their aesthetically more special stuff is priced at 50k.
Good to hear.
As Geoff recently reminded us, with Atmos tracks, if there are fewer speakers attached / assigned than the signal contains, the Theatre does not throw away the data relating to the unassigned roles, but folds that data back in and uses the existing speakers/roles – a bit of down mixing if you will.
3 July 2023 at 19:32 in reply to: TrueImage vs Direct for Atmos on either ATV device or the Apple App #47447agree, the A/B testing between streaming versions I did this morning is not an exercise I’d repeat, its a bit tedious and I’m not technical enough to understand exactly what the ATV does with Atmos streams from various apps before outputting it as PCM (the ATV doesn’t do passthrough).
But the A/B I did between the ATV Netflix and the webOS Netflix revealed nothing material difference wise.
UHD Discs on the other hand show some more obvious sound quality improvements.
Thats the extent of my wisdom!
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