[Madskp]

James Powell wrote:

The passive is in the same room as my 9000 but it didn’t affect it previously

Ok, just to be sure do you also have speakers connected to the BS9000 or only to the passive?

If you have speakers on both could you control them separately before?

 

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[Madskp]

Hard to say what it could be then

Do you have any other link rooms and are they working?

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[Madskp]

James Powell wrote:

I also have a beo4 remote which I prefer to use. Bizarrely, the IR eye will not respond to either remote however, if I hold done the red “off” button on the remote for about 5 seconds the red light on the IR eye blinks..

One thing that could have happen in the link room is that the option settings was changed and affects how it receives IR commands. You can try to set the option for the link room again with the BEO4 by following this procedure:

• Be sure that the entire system is in standby
• Hold down standby + list on the BEO4
• The text in the display should change.
• Press the list button until OPTION is shown in the display and press GO
• Press list until LINK is shown in the display, then press 6 and GO
• The red LED on the IR eye should blink once to confirm it has received the change

Try to see if this makes a difference

 

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[Madskp]

Velbekomme. Håber du får det til at virke.
jeg bor i Aarhus

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[Madskp]

Ok. Det nemmeste til de indstillinger der skal laves er faktisk Beolink 1000, så jeg prøver at beskrive proceduren her.

Når du skal tilslutte Beolink Converteren så sluk for alt det andet udstyr. Når du tænder udstyret igen så tænd først Beosystem 3 og Beomaster 6500 først og vent derefter 10 sekunder inden du tænder Beolink Converteren.

Indstillingen skal laves mens alt er i standby.

På Beolink 1000 tryk i rækkefølge: Picture, 2, Store (dette gør at Beosystem 3 modtage både Audio og Video kommandoer fra fjernbetjeningen). Derefter tryk: Sound, 0, Store (dette gør at Beomaster 6500 ikke modtager fjernbetjenings kommandoer mere, men bliver betjent gennem link kablerne). På den måde er det Beosystem 3 der aktiverer alle kilder og spiller dem ud igennem dens højtalere.

 

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[Madskp]

Det er helt fint der er mange specielle ting med B&O kabling og opsætning. Du skyder bare løs. Der er ingen dumme spørgsmål her.

Ift. indstillinger vil jeg lige høre hvilken fjernbetjening du har da det er lidt forskelligt hvordan man laver disse indstillinger alt afhængigt af fjernbetjeningen?

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[Madskp]

Hej Henrik og velkommen til Beoworld

For at sætte dem sammen skal du bruge en Beolink Converter type 1611 eller type 1614 (1611 har lidt mere funktionalitet i andre sammenhænge, men 1614 kan sagtens bruges i din sammenhæng). Converteren skal tilsluttes med et Masterlink kabel til Beosystem 3 og med et AUX cabel med 7 Polet din stik i begge ender til AUX stikket på Beomaster 6500.

Derudover er det nødvendigt at lave nogle indstillinger på hhv. Beosystem 3 og Beomaster 6500 om hvordan de skal reagere på fjernbetjeningsinput i sammenhæng med hvordan højtalere er tilsluttet.

Hvis begge dele er i samme rum er det setup der normalt anbefales er at tilslutte højtalerne til Beosystem 3 lade lyden fra Beomaster 6500 komme ud gennem dem.

Hvis du skriver tilbage om hvordan du forestiller dig at højtalerne skal være tilsluttet kan jeg give lidt mere vejledning om indstillingerne

Mvh

Mads

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[Madskp]

KasperS wrote:

For the X2 filter capacitors will this one work (given the distance between the legs is correct)?: https://www.elextra.dk/p/x2-st%c3%b8jkondensator-100nf-01uf-275vac-20mm/H22282

That would be the one I would pick if you can for sure verify that the broken ones says 100N

KasperS wrote:

Again – thank you very much. (and in Danish: Tusind tak Mads!)

No problem, feel free to ask if you need more input (Velbekomme og held og lykke med reparationen 🙂 )

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[Madskp]

KasperS wrote:

1 – What are the exact specifications for those capacitors?

As far as I can read they are both 100n X2 filter capacitors. This information and the length between the legs of the components should be enough knowledge. X2 is very important in this use case to my knowledge.

And please be aware that there are risk of getting electric shock when working on a power supply even if it is disconnected as the large electrolytic caps can still hold a charge.

KasperS wrote:

2 – Where can I buy them (I’m located in Denmark)?

If you wan’t to buy them locally there are places like Elextra and Elektronik Lavpris, but the component can probably be found elsewhere also

KasperS wrote:

3 – Are there other components that most likely will have failed at the same time?

A known issue is a super capacitor on the large PCB that might start to leak and make some trouble with the IR circuitry. I did a replacement and repair in this thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beoplay-v1-not-turning-on/page/2/#post-55660

If you are more lucky than me and get away with removing the supercar without board damage you might just have to clean up any leaked stuff from the capacitor. Be aware that the supercap is difficult to desolder because there is a massive group plane in the board in this area that will suck the heat away from your soldering iron. An easier solution might be to just leave the legs in the board, and solder wires to a new supercap and place it in the expansion bay like I did.

You can try to inspect the area that are below the supercap in normal position to get an idea about any leakage. I have yet to have issues (and have not yet inspected) my primary V1 which has been in normal use for around 12-13 years now, so it might not be an issue.

KasperS wrote:

4 – What could be the reason for them blowing up?

Try to search for RIFA cap failure. This is a very common issue with these components. I would not be afraid to replace them with the same brand again. They should probably last for another good period of time. Use plastic gloves when handling the caps or you will have the smell on you hands for days or weeks afterwards. Also the TV might keep the smell for some time, but it will eventually wear of.

 

Hope this helps going forward with the issue

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[Madskp]

James Powell wrote:

then… I used my BEO5 to turn on my Samsung tv. After this my eye no longer responds to the remote or touch (ie using the buttons on the eye)

I would not suspect the use of a BEO5 remote to have changed anything.

Are you using the BEO5 remote for the room with the Beolink Passive or do you have another B&O remote in that room?

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[Madskp]

The NL/ML converter will probably get you the best user experience.

you can connect the BC2 to the BV11 in other ways, but the control will get more complicated

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[Madskp]

Thanks for the input pl212 and YannChris

Some of these manuals are available in the members section, and some have been before. I will try to update my overview with links to those that are available at Beoworld and see if I can make Multicare make the missing ones that are scanned available too.

Also I will try to scan my German Beolink System manual 1987/88 and send it to Multicare for upload to the archive.

pl212 wrote:

Here is a scan of the 1989-1990 MCL2 System Guide that I have:

https://archive.org/details/Bang-Olufsen-Master-Control-Link-2-System-Manual-89-90

It’s for the North American market, which may make it of special interest. The NTSC MX5000 and VX5000 are big focus of the publication.  I’d be especially interested in how it differs from the “March 1990” one in @Madskp ‘s post!

Most of the in-wall installation items at the end are European — however, I have some North American wall parts in my collection that I’d like to document as well.

There are some differences the front page in your version for example. I wonder if that is the actual front page and the one I have is just missing the real front page. However mine says rev. 1  3/90 which I cannot spot on your version, so probably there is a difference, although the page count is the same so might be minor revisions. I will try to look at the head to head one day in the near future and see if I can spot any changes.

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[Madskp]

bigbruggsy wrote:

Hello fellow B&O lovers, Just a quick question about CR battery replacement. Is there a setup procedure that is needed after you replace the battery? I replaced one in an older Beosound Ouverture the other day and now it has issues receiving some commands from a Beo4 remote. I hope you can help. Thanks again.

What remote commands is the issue? If it is video commands like TV, DVD, V.MEM it could be that the option setting has reset from option 2 (audio and video commands) to option 1 (only audio commands)

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[Madskp]

Multicare wrote:

Madskp wrote:
Looking good, but I am a little confused about the column item number, mostly because my knowledge about item numbers is limited.

The item number was listed on the following page, I copied just because it was there. Generally products along with a model, serial and type number they also have an item number.
How specific the item number compared to the type number I don’t actually know.

https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/wikis/revisions/b-amp-o-product-revision-status.aspx

Ok, there could probably also be other differencens is product version naming that will show up when going deeper into it, but I guess that adding extra tables with software for a specific product version could be a way to solve that issue.

Multicare wrote:

Madskp wrote:
Would that mean that something like the Beomaster/Beosound 5 software which is a whole Windows embedded installation could also be hosted?

Yes, the only limitation I see is me running out of storage space 🤣

Hopefully this shouldn’t be an issue. https://beoworld.org/beosound-5/#software

I have added the Beomaster 5 service tool.

very nice :-). hope that storage space or performance does not become an issue because of big files like that. Most other software updates might be relativly smaller though.

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[Madskp]

Multicare wrote:

I don’t see an issue hosting software/firmware files on the site. I think it would be good to have them listed and available to download similar to the documents.

Would that mean that something like the Beomaster/Beosound 5 software which is a whole Windows embedded installation could also be hosted?

Multicare wrote:

I have added something to the following page, please have a look and let me know if this is something that would work or if any changes should be made.
https://beoworld.org/beo4/#software

Looking good, but I am a little confused about the column item number, mostly because my knowledge about item numbers is limited.

Is the item number an uniqe identifier compared to the type number? What I mean is can the item number tell if it is a MK1 or MK2 of a certain product? Could it make sense to also mention a MK version of the prouctt for clarification if it is indeed two different MK versions.

In your example you have two different item numbers that both have the same software revision which I guess is quite possible, and it could be that the revision notes were different due to hardware limitations in one of the item numbers, so fine with different revision notes.

But there could also be situation where for example Beolab 3500 MK1 can be updated to SW 3.x but can not work with Beolink wireless 1 via Powerlink, so the revision notes should be different for MK1 compared to MK2. I guess this can be handled the way you have made the setup in the example

Could it make sense to have a placeholder with notes about the updated method. For example if the update method in the table is Servicetool it might be good to mention that this can only be made through a dealer/service shop with acces to the service tool. Or i case of web updates for example for the NL/ML converter mention that the web updates are no longer available, but that it can be updated at a dealer /service shop with acces to the service tool.

Hope this makes sense

 

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[Madskp]

If you only will need the CD source from the 2500 you can connect the AUX on the 2500 to the CD input on the 6500. That way you can control both without disturbing double remote commands.  But note that if you select radio or tape on the 6500 with a remote  the 2500 will also respond to the commands, but since it is connected to the CD input on the 6500 you will not hear these sources.

 

 

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[Madskp]

Thank you very much 🙂 All my versions except the System manual 1987/88 are digital versions.

carolpa wrote:

MCL Handbook – Dutch version date 1-1993 (paper version) – date last page

That might be the same as i call ~1993. No date and year on the last page in my digital version though. Does yours also say Local control System on the front page?

carolpa wrote:

MCL Handbook – English version date 8-1995 (digital version) – date last page

The one I called ~1994 is actually that one. I had not spotted the date/year on the last page before, but that makes it more identifieable. I will make a revision in my previous post.

carolpa wrote:

ML Handbook – Dutch version date 10-1994 (paper version) – date last page
ML Handbook – Dutch version date 4-1997 (digital version) – date last page
ML Handbook – US version dat 10-1997  (digital version) – date last page
ML Handbook – Dutch version date 1-2004 (digital version) – preface page

I have and english 4-1997 and a Danish 9-1997 and both danish and english versions of the 1-2004 version

I will also add all these to the above list

carolpa wrote:

Beolink Handbook – version 1.5 date 20150112
Beolink Handbook – version 1.7 date 20150622
Beolink Handbook – version 1.9 date 20161122

The same goes for these where af version 2.1 is also available with the date 20210927

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[Madskp]

I think you might run into some of the same troubles as with your previous setups as many of the limitations are the same.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

it gives only ever have one audio system.  There are no examples where another Beosound is used in a different room, but within the same ML network.

That is because of the general Masterlink linmitation that only allows for one Audiomaster and one Videomaster in the same Masterlink network.

B&O only shows examples that not require workarounds in the Handbooks to ensure a smooth experience.

For some audiosystems there are software updates that allows them to work as link rooms (option 5 or 6). In your case however that does not help much as you wan’t the speakers connected to the BS3.

However if one of your audio systems support the link room mode you could use that in option 5, as the “main” audio system and get the sources from the other system (that would have to be in option 0) by pressing Link+command. You would still have the issue with the speakers connected to the BS3, but that could be solved with a Powerlink switch*, as mentioned in one of your other posts, to share the front speakers between the BS3 and the Audio system. The BS3 would have to be in option 1 then to only receive video commands.

*Those are available from both Oneremote and Almando and maybe others too.

 

A little unsure about when option 4 is availble or not in a system, but you would still have an issue getting the sound into the Main system via. AUX with an other command, so a little fidely to start something.

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Some of the incompatibilities might explain some of the anomalies that we get when experimenting with older MCL equipment and mixing sensors from different eras.  I will have to be more careful in future, especially with MCL2AV!

I recon the chances of having the older iR eye type is slim, but it might not be possible to spot the difference on the outside, so best to check inside if in doubt.

Guy wrote:

and have never heard of the battery backup before.

Especially that one got me confussed, but again it might have to do with the main system keeping the settings.

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[Madskp]

carolpa wrote:

I have a copy of a Mastercontrollink handbook of 8-95

Thanks for adding information 🙂 I was curious if the 1994 one was the last one to mention MCL2 systems. Is that month/year shown on the front page or mentioned in the preface?

carolpa wrote:

(the paper one I have is presumably older),

Is it one of those I have mentioned in the above post? I just added pictures of the front pages to make it easier to identify.

carolpa wrote:

succeeded with a Masterlink handbook (I do have a 4-97 copy).

I might also have to go through the different versions I have. Again it that date/month printed on the front page or elsewhere?

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