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  • in reply to: Welcome #65966
    Madskp
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    Thats, in the interim you will need to be logged in for it to work.

    Ok thanks for the info. The issue however is also present when I am logged in

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    Madskp
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    Yes, I have one of his BeoTooth devices, and it’s very well made.

    I’ll explain it this way: The beocord is able to transmit lots of information about it’s current state over datalink: what track it’s on, what side of the tape it’s playing, how many seconds it’s been running, how loud the recording is, etc. It’s a very “chatty” component.  In the example above, it’s transmitting CassetteInfo, TrackNumber, and Counter over Datalink for the Beomaster to display. Most Datalink 80 messages are 1 byte in length (eight 1’s and/or 0’s in sequence, in specific combinations) , but a few status messages are longer, because more information needs to be passed then can be done in a single byte.  Fore example, when the Beomaster sees the incoming. code for “TrackNumber” it knows that the next 5 bytes it receives will include which track it should display on the remote. HOWEVER! of the next five bytes it is expecting, only the last byte received is ever used (AFAIK) for this particular status command, and of that last byte, only a portion of it is used. So the first four bytes of the message could have been jibberish, but the original writers of Datalink 80 apparently decided to send “00000111”, which is translated as either “UNKN” or “14+” on your B&O display. But in practice it really doesn’t matter what is sent – the first 4 bytes of data is not used for anything, AFAIK.  They could have chosen to send something else if they’d wanted to.

    The ‘UNKN’ label is basically the English label Ive assigned for the sequence of bits ‘1111’, or the Hex letter ‘F’.  which also represents the number 15 in computer-speak.  It’s the largest number that can be represented using 4 bits.  This is the primary reason why most older B&O systems only count tracks up to 14. On any higher numbered track, it will show as “14+” which is signifies “Track 15 or higher”, and also “Unknown Track Number”.  AKA “I can’t count any higher than that, because I’ve run out of digits”.

    IF the last byte is also sent as “UNKN” (i.e five “UNKN” in a row), then the Beomaster knows that the beocord either does not know what track it’s. on, or the current track number is 15 or greater. The Beomaster  subsequently relays that information to a 2-way remote IR or the console panel, so the appropriate number is lit up. In the example above, the last number translates to a “10”, so solely the information in his last byte will cause the “10” to flash on an MCP panel.

    Ironically,  the system already has a means to describe any track number between “0” and. “99999” easily, using the tape counter to transmit current track info.  In the example above, the Counter returns “07270”, which will display as “0727” on the MCP (I think- it might display “7270”, I’ll check later). Pilatomic has implemented this feature using the Status counter in his excellent adaptation.

    Thanks for the explanation although I do not understand all of it I can see the logic in some it. Also interesting to see that there is some kind of reason for showing only 14+ tracks on many B&O products 🙂

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    in reply to: beolink passive #65959
    Madskp
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    I belive there used to be a servicemanual for the Beolink Passive in the manual library on Beoworld.

    However there seems to be an issue accesing the product pages to check right now. I have made a post to Multicare about that issue.

    If the manual is not shown in the library when it is active again try reaching out to Multicare and ask for the manual, as there is still a lot of manuals not uploaded to the library

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    in reply to: Welcome #65958
    Madskp
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    There seems to be some issue with the product pages. When I try to acces any category I just get af spinning circle like this

    Tried both in Chrome and Safari on a Macbook + in Safari on an iPhone
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    Madskp
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    Great that you are sharring your findings here although I think a lot of the members here including myself does not understand the “language” of datalink (or programming code for that matter).

    I do however encourage this kind of works as it can sometimes bring great things to the community like the Beotooth 5500 bluetooth streaming device with datalink control that was developed by the user Pilatomic https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beotooth-5500-a-datalink-bluetooth-receiver/

    And speaking of that where many other threads about understanding datalink has been about the datalink 86 protocol, Pilatomic is for sure one member here who has been working with the datalink 80 protocol that you are also looking at, so it might be worth to try and contract him.

    One curious question to the above. More of the codes you have listed has been named UNKN. Is that because you see some activity on the datalink bus without issuing a command to the system?

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    in reply to: Beogram CD-50 – Lower Disc Holder 9132 #65929
    Madskp
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    Great hint. I will certanly try that the next time I work on it.

    One thing I wonder though is if it makes a difference to adjust the spindle height vs. Adjusting the lifting mechanism

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    in reply to: Beogram CD-50 – Lower Disc Holder 9132 #65880
    Madskp
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    So a note of warning – the sound heard in the video posted above in my case was not related to the spindle motor issue which the comments suggested was the issue.

    Ok good to know. Will experiment a lttle more with the brass know before going into motor issues.

    For the temperamental issues of the player have you tried cleaning the laser lens – and are the cams on the laser housing all complete and lubricated?

    Laser cleaned and all gears in the laser housing is lubricated. Have not checked for small cracks or missing teeths on the gears, so will also do that.

    On your player #1 have you noticed if the CD start the counter at 0.00 or if it is a minute or more into the first track?

     

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    in reply to: Beogram CD-50 – Lower Disc Holder 9132 #65856
    Madskp
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    Good to hear that the brass knob adjustment had some effect.

    Even though my CD50 is playing now it still can have time when it spit the disc out at first try. Also on every disc I tried it will start playing 1-2 minuttes into the first track and can sometimes have issues with tracks where it will not play and the counter is just showing the track number. It allways read the TOC though when the disc stays in.
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    in reply to: Beogram CD-50 – Lower Disc Holder 9132 #65847
    Madskp
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    This old thread might be worth reading into https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/628.aspx?PageIndex=1

    Seems to be some succes rate with spindle motor cleaning, but it also sounds like a hard job to disassemble it
    One thing I note is in one of the later posts the adjustment of the brass nut on the cam wheel is again mentioned for being responsible in how easy a disc will rotate
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    in reply to: Welcome #65835
    Madskp
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    Once you click on the image, it seems to be zoomed in to the smaller thumbnail version of the image.

    If you click the image again you should see some arrows to go left/right – click one and it should show you the full size image.
    Just working on resolving this. it should just show the large image when clicked.

    Oh yes I can see that. Thanks for looking into it

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    in reply to: Boegram CD50 carrige slow #65834
    Madskp
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    And now after disassembeling and reassembeling things one more time I got it playing again https://youtu.be/1yETrPtyj18

    Now I will wait and see for how long it does that. So it might be up to small things. One thing I have noticed is that the brass nut is sometimes moving a little in position. I have now tried to secure it with some super glue at the top to see if that also helps for stability

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    in reply to: Beogram CD-50 – Lower Disc Holder 9132 #65832
    Madskp
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    Yes I saw in the comments to the suggestion that the motor requires cleaning and or lubrication. However the two non-working players that I have both had broken belts, so I am reluctant to believe that 2 players both developed in addition a problem with the motor. Also one player I am repairing for a friend who told me that discs were playing fine before the cd tray stopped ejecting, So unless this two issues are a symptom of one another I am reluctant to start stripping the motor down especially since it appears not not to be a simple job.

    Fully understandable. I will also look into other options before trying that. But always a good idea to look into what Others have found in older threads. I will update if I find something relevant.

    I should add that with both players it appears to me that the disc is not actually spinning – the motor is moving but it seems it hasn’t quite grabbed the disc so maybe I will try the adjustments of the copper nut first and also tiny adjustment of the teeth of the main cam.

    That could be. adjusting the brass nut on my CD50 a little down moved the disc raiser a few millimeters up which seemed to be just what was missing

     

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    in reply to: Welcome #65831
    Madskp
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    There is another little update to the inline images. when images are uploaded it should automatically scale to a smaller size and be presented on a grid format.
    Once the post is submitted, the images will be clickable to enlarge them.

    Please let me know if there are any issues.

    I just inserted a picture in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/boegram-cd50-carrige-slow/#post-65828 and even when clicking on it the resolution seems to be very poor even though the image I uploaded is looking fine.

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    in reply to: Boegram CD50 carrige slow #65828
    Madskp
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    In the video the raiser appears to lift at the end of the movement, that looks correct to me.

    At the time I posted the video I belive that it would raise fully up, and the cam wheel would have to move even further. However I found in an old thread that it is only moving fully up when a disc is detected.

    However Where I was at this point I had to adjust the cam wheel one tooth and also adjust the brass nut on the cam wheel further down to make the raiser lift the CD high enough to reach the spindle that drives the disc.

    The Brass nut had some sort of locking glue on top (the green stuff on the pictue) That indicates where it was placed originally, but it can be hard to see if it should have one revolution more even with a before picture.

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    in reply to: Beogram CD-50 – Lower Disc Holder 9132 #65819
    Madskp
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    Hello again

    I am now working on my CD50 and after belt replacement I had some issues with the carrige movement as mentioned in this thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/boegram-cd50-carrige-slow/#post-65712

    However this is now solved and cam down to adjusting to one misplacement of the camwheel by on tooth, and how much the brass nut on top of the cam wheel was screewd down.

    I actually had it playing some tracks on a CD, but after i tried to skip a few tracks it started acting like the one in the video you are linking to.

    On thing I will look further into when I have the time is if fine adjustment of the brass nut does any difference.

    One thing I notice in the comments to the youtube video is a suggestion about disassembly of the motor and cleaning of it. This might be worth to research further into

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    in reply to: Beocenter 6-23 Wanted #65817
    Madskp
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    Take a look at this thread I made https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beocenter-6-23-software-upgrade/

    you might want to aim for type number 9219-9226 to be sure that the DVI connector can be used with other commands than PC
    Also if you need anything tested let me know as I have one of these
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    in reply to: Datalink for older Vs newer Beograms #65722
    Madskp
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    Madskp wrote:
    I have got hold of a RiAA with 7 Pin Din connectors where the datapins are reversed throug the unit.
    Is it this one?  https://shop.oneremote.dk/shop/69068-riaa-amplifier/4199-riaa-ii/

    (I assume that it swaps the datalink connection from pin 6 to 7)

    No it’s a RIAA from something called Flint Products type 4587.

    I found it second hand. Never heard of the brand before, but have been able to find adds for couple of other models with the same brand, but with other connection types.

    This one however was ideal because of the 7 pin DIN connectors. Initially I thought I had to make the datalink connections myself, but it seems this was intended for use with B&O with datalink.

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    in reply to: Datalink for older Vs newer Beograms #65716
    Madskp
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    Yes that should be possible. I have got hold of a RiAA with 7 Pin Din connectors where the datapins are reversed throug the unit. That makes it very easy to get the conttol part along with RIAA

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    in reply to: Factory reset on BV 10-40 #65713
    Madskp
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    Thanks for the IPA useage link, I’ll give it a go! I suppose it should work on a BS4 body as well!

    It will work there too. I had a BS4 for a short while and tried to clean the sticky stuff of that too. One thing I noticed though is that on the front plate you can rub to a level where it will still have a smooth finish, but if you rub to much you get to a surface that is more plastic like. In any case try a spot that will be less visible to start with.

    and the back with the ribs will be a nightmare to clean.

     

    And the belt replacements, yes, you gave me some leads late last year when I did them, I have not rebuilt the unit as yet, but hopefully, later today or tomorrow, I have been busy building a model of a Pilot boat based at Hartlepool, it is radio controlled and is for steering competition use here in France!

    Oh yes I remember about the belt. hopefully it will solve the issue.

    Also good luck with your boat model. Long time since I have seen a remote controlled boat. I guess drones are a morf popular choice arround here

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    in reply to: Boegram CD50 carrige slow #65712
    Madskp
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    Just to illustrate the issue I have made a small videoclip which shows where it stops in the end of the video

    https://youtube.com/shorts/GoGJ3qFGhXY

     

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