[Madskp]

speedsixdave wrote:

Can I ask another Masterlink question I’ve never quite understood? Greedy man that I am, I’d quite like a Beosound 9000 one day in addition to the Beosystem 6500. Is it possible to have two audio masters in different rooms on the same Masterlink setup? All the manuals I’ve seen talk about an audio master and a video master in one Masterlink system but I’m not bothered about having a connected TV anywhere. Ideally I’d like to be able to play records from the Beogram 6500 either through the BM6500 in the living room or the future BS9000 in the kitchen diner, or CDs from the BS9000 through the BM6500. Even better would be to access any of the sources connected to either master from any connected room

Hello again, and yes follow up questions are very welcome.

You are right in that the Masterlink systems is based on having one Audio Master and one Video Master which can server their sources to link rooms. This also limit that there can only be one of each source eg. only one CD source.

If you wan’t the sources to be acesible to both systems from bot systems and in your link rooms there is a workaround. However it will require some more equipment.

What you can do is divide the systems in to separate Masterlink networks and use NL/ML converters to connect the ML networks through your home network. In the NL/ML converter you can specify which sources can be passed through and give them other source names. for example can the CD on the BS9000 be accesed with the DVD command from the Beomaster 6500. Only requrement is that the “replacement” source is not in use already for example i you have a B&O TV in that room.

For the link rooms to be able to acces both systems they also have to be on a separate ML network so a NL/ML converter is also required for those, and if you keep your MCL rooms also a ML/MCL converter.

It can sound like a lot of equipment, but note that the NL/ML converters can also be used as link rooms with a IR eye and a set of active speakers connected, so if placed strategicly they could maybe replace some older equipment.

To hopefully make more sense of this take a look at this post where user Tignum has a drawing of his system with several NL/ML converters https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/possible-to-use-two-ml-nl-converters-instead-of-ml-cable/#post-62861

Other members has also done something similar so there should be help enough on the forum for this.

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[Madskp]

You can use both the MCL2 system and the converter with the 6500 at the same time without that beeing an issue.

No need for the ML/MCL converter which is intended for system without built in amplifier/MCL capabilities

Regarding the Beolink Wireless 1 will not advise using that if you can avoid it. Many bad stories about it here on the archived forums. It operates on the 2,4Ghz band like Wifi, Bluetooth, babyalarms, doorbels and microwave ovens so all sorts of inteference possibilities. Also it is no possible to change the channel it uses without the B&O servicetool which is only available for dealers.

Also the first software version only allowed for use of powerlink in the receiving end which will not work with the Beolab 2000. As software is also only dealer upgradeable it can be hit and miss to get the right software version of the Beolink Wireless units

Hope this helps

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Guy wrote:

I am leaving the Essence/Passive set up for a few days to see if I experience any longer term problems using a fully wired RJ45 to PL lead.

Great, then we can see if the long term issue that Steve mentioned in that other thread do apply in your case

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Guy wrote:

“Strange – I have tried inserting it again, but if that doesn\u0027t work, here it is as an attachment

Thanks that is working and very informative regarding the behavior

 

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On the Beotalk Discord server PolyVection has mentioned that they are still working on some kind of ML streamer product, but have not had a collaboration with Hall Audio since the the unsuccesfull kickstarter for the ML streamer.

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hmm weird I can still not see it I only get this both on my phone and computer:

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Thanks for your observations.

For some reason I can not see the picture you have inserted. I know that there was an issue with inserting pictures yesterday that Mark fixed, so maybe you could try to insert it again?

 

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Hello

You can not use the A.AUX command with the input on the 1611. The A.AUX input is as far as I know for the USB analog audio input converter.

However Any video command like TV, DVD, V.MEM, V.Tape etc. will open up the audio input from the AAL connector on the 1611 converter provided that correct wired cable is used.

Hope this helps or else feel free to ask again

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Multicare wrote:

“\nMadskp wrote:\nI don\u2019t know if it is related to this update\nThere was definitely an issue with adding images in the post. I have just resolved it. \ud83d\udc4d\n\n\u00a0”

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Multicare wrote:

You can still add images to this content box by selecting the image icon.

I don’t know if it is related to this update, but I just got an error (red bar) saying that I could not post a replay without content (maybe not that excact phrase) when I tried to post this https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/what-are-you-working-on-now/page/8/#post-64051 with the picture inserted. I tried several times and got the error each time until I tried posting with the picture attached instead.

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Recapping the crossover in my Beovox RL 45.2. I wonder if I am able to hear a difference

 

 

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Reading this post  https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/low-budget-multiroom-setup-for-ceiling-speakers/#post-64021 by Steve from SoundsHeavenly I am wondering if there is something we have overlooked regarding the Esssence ability to active a Beolink Passsive /MCL2P.

@CharlieWednesday you dit mention that you only tested it briefly, but @Guy have you used the MCL2P with the Essence over a longer period of time?

 

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I just did some testing with an MCL IR eye connected to a MCL2AV. WhatI see is a voltage drop from 4.97 V to ~3.68V depending on the command when pressing af key on the remote.

With the Ir disconnected I also measure 4,97V on the data screw terminal the MCL2AV, so must be that voltage the IR eye I trying to pull down.

Measuring on the IR eye without connection to the MCL2AV I see1.57V that is pulled down to ~1.3-1.4V depending on the command when pressing af key on the remote.

Hope this is usefull

 

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kirin wrote:

Hi Madskp, I agree, you can see sonsor and signal on the picture, however, maybe I got a modified IR sensor. I do own 3 others, which were sold together, I will check the others as well. Best regards

If it is any help I can also try to check the signal on one of my MCL sensors with a logic analyzer. Maybe tomorrow

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I know there is still a lot of work getting the product pages updated with all the scanned manuals and other information.

But I have some suggestions for further addition of repair resources on the product pages.

1)

Picures from the inside of products and/or pictures of PCB’s (preferable both front an back) could be added. This could make it easier to explain where to look for something and compare if something is missing or have exploded. Also different PCB versions or MK version of a products could be reflected this way. This would probably rely much on users taking pictures when repairing products.

2)

Software for at least older products that could be downloaded and programmed to Eproms. Of course this will only be for the few to use as most do not have the equipment for programming chips, but could be a way to get a repair center to help upgrading a product. I do not know if the software is copyrighted in a way that this is a no go, so might not be viable.

Also software like Beoplayer could be a thing if copyright is not an issue.

3)

Diagrams for products where this is not available in the servicemanual, and updates to diagrams in the servicemanuals.

I have in case of the Beolab 3500 MK2 tried to trace the diagram for part of a PCB to better understand the differences compared to the MK1. In this case the diagram was available in the servicemanaul for the MK1, but not for the MK2.

Also I have seen more that one case where the diagram in the servicemanual has small errors, like wrong pin numbering. The right info could be shown with red text to reflect that it is updated information.

Again this would rely heavily on user input, and not many would actually do this, so maybe a very marginal area.

 

I know that the above will be a great task, and will  rely much on user input, so fully understand if it is not a thing that is not prioritised but now you have the idea.

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kirin wrote:

as I am just playing around with some toys (Beo4, IR sensors, arduino) I just have to revive this thread, as I found out that the wiring stated above seems not to be correct regarding the MCL IR receivers (I hope that is the correct „type“), it may be another at that VX sensor: 5V power supply – green ground – brown data – white

I can confirm the colors in regards to the rectangular MCL IR eye. In case of the MCL IR eyes you should be able to count on the wire colors being correct as the connection to MCL2A and MCL2AV is with srew terminals where the wire colors are printed on the PCB next to the screw terminals.

For the Newer round type IR eye where the conenction on the IR eye is with screew terminals the color coding can vary depending on the product type it is used with and wheether a twisted pair ethernet cables is used for it, so in case of these IR eye’s it is better to look up a wirering diagram than depend on the color coding. This might also apply to the VX sensor IR eye.

kirin wrote:

The white will emit data: the pulses are high to low with a voltage of ~1.5V (instead the 5V of more modern IR eyes)

That sounds odd as the IR data signals are compatible across the different IR eye’s as tested in this thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolink-passive-ir-eye/

 

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Tignum wrote:

Hi, I bought a truly as new BeoCom 6000 mk2 handset, to use daily. It must have been rarely used: the texture of the back cover feels really new, and the white texts on the buttons is really white still. I put a new battery in it and it works fine. Happy with it!

yeah the Beocom 6000 is a wonderfull landline phone. I had one as my primary phone for several years, but in the end it was not used anymore and was given away to another forum member.

Got two again recently that was part of a larger LOT of B&O. They are just placed as art pieces in my Beocave, but I might get to utilising the built in volume control

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You are very welcome, and glad to hear that it did help even though it was not logical why.

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I just did some testing both with a Beolab 3500 MK1 SW 2.0 and a Beolab 3500 MK2 SW 3.1 connected to my NL/ML converter setup as V.Master. I assigned the PC source to the Line in on the NL/ML converter. I used a Beolink converter type 1611 to power the ML network.

In my first testing I could not get sound, but then after changing the role of the NL/ML converter to A.Master and back to V.Master it now works for both Beolab 3500.

So it is possible use the PC command, I was just in doubt.

But one thing that came to mind, Which components do you have on the ML side of the converter besides the BL3500? Do you have a ML audio master, or a ML Powerbox or as I did here a type1611 converter?

Just asking to be sure as I don’t know if this is a setup you had for a long time or a new setup.

 

 

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Frog wrote:

The role of th NL/ML converter is V.Master (I have a beosound 5 in the system too. In the NL/ML gateway, I assigned Line In – and I know it works because the Beosystem 4 can stream. I’ve tried assigning it to PC and while I can switch the beolab to PC, it doesn’t stream.

I am actually a little unsure how the Beolab 3500 handles the PC command. I can try to do a test of it tonight.

Do you know if your BL3500 is a MK1 or MK2? MK1 has the MCL engraving under the 8 pin DIN connector on the back?

Have you tried assigning another video source to the Line in that is not in use on the BS4 (provided the BS4 is in the same room)?

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