[Madskp]

As far as I can see in the servicemanual for the BS4 it should have the nessecary signals to wake up the BL Passive, although I can’t verify it to be fully implemented.

Maybe try with another cable if you have one. I know I have what should be a fully wire PL cable, but it is missing the connection on pin 1 that is used to wake the BL Passive.

If you have a 7 pin Aux cable that can also be used for testing it

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[Madskp]

I have done some testing now with  fully wired powerlink cable from BS Ouverture to BL3500. ML turned off in all instances.

MK1 SW 1.0: Speaker is not triggered when I play music on the BS Ouverture, but the BL3500 can join in with a press on the mute button or a source button on the remote. So same as Guy registred in his test.

MK1 SW1.2: No test. I had forgot that it was dead for some reason

MK1 SW 2.0  Same behaviour as SW 1.0, but the speaker died in the proces.

MK2 SW 3.1 Will not active at all. This corosponds fine with my testing with the wireless W1 where only the combination of the special data signal from the W1 and the trigger signal on pin 4 would activate it.

A note on the MK1:

I don’t think it would make sense for the trigger signal on pin 4 to with pin 2 as ground to do anything on a MK1 since pin2 is not connected and pin4 is a signal path for sound

Guy wrote:

When I listen closely I can hear a high pitched whine from the right hand speaker – sounds like a grounding problem so something is not quite right.  Maybe polarity reversed on that channel – does that make any sense?

Both reversed polarity of the sound signal, but also you are putting 5V trigger on pin 4 and 5-12V on pin 1 which are both part of the sound signal path. Also you only have the data shield as ground since pin 2 is not connected in the BL3500.

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

I thought from the serial numbers Guy had two mk2 units but I could be wrong

MK1 is up to serial number 19343452 and has MCL engraved in the metal underneath the DIN connector. Also I belive they were never produced with higher software version than 2.1, but can be upgraded with the loss of MCL functionality.

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote:

If I rember correctly the MK1 can be activated without the data signal, but will not put out sound.

I think mine is a Mk1 – it has the MCL socket marked as such.

That is correct

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

You got me confused .. between “I can´t get it to trigger” to “sound from both speakers”

I mean that I can’t get it (the BL3500) to trigger (i.e turn on) by operating the front panel of the BC2300 (or by using the remote with BC2300 in A.OPT 2 and BL3500 in L.OPT 0). Conversely, with the BC2300 in A.OPT 0 and BL3500 in L.OPT 2 or 6, I can get the system (BC and BL) to turn on and play through both L&R speakers using the remote, or by pressing MUTE on the BL3500 front panel (which plays the last played source.) So the BL3500 will control the BC2300, but the BC2300 will not control the BL3500.

That is also my experience from earlier testing. If a data signal is available on pin 6 the BL3500 can be activated with remote commands to its own IR receiver and put out sound. If I rember correctly the MK1 can be activated without the data signal, but will not put out sound.

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

I have just connected my BC2300 to my SW2.0 BL3500 by powerlink, and it’s behaving pretty much as if connected by ML.  I can’t get it to trigger from the BC2300.  I have tried L.OPT 0, 2 and 6 to no avail.

Do you also get sound in this setup? The beahaviour you see control wise is because the data signal is connected the same was as if you were using a ML-MCL converter to convert from powerlink to MCL

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

@madskp when you re-do the test can you clarify the SW version of the BL3500 that you use just in case it only works with a particular SW. I can try with my Mk1 SW2.0 if required.

I will do. And I can try on both SW 1.0, 1.2, 2.0 and 3.1

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[Madskp]

hmm It looks like I already tried that in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/page/4/#post-44601

So much for long term memory 😉

But I will gladly try it again just to verify

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[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Mads, like a year ago (in this thread) you tested some variations of +5v on Pin4 (GND to 2 and/or 7) on your mk2 but seems you looked at the powerup which did not happen

I actually looks like I only mentioned pin 7 as ground for some reason https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/page/4/#post-44595

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

if you could redo that testing with audio applied too see if it will get us some music finally it would be great, just to confirm to curious-dreamer that we indeed tried his setup

If I try with a Powerlink cable from my BS Ouverture this will also be part of it + the pin 2 as ground

 

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[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Curios-dreamer is asking me to try his cable or point him to some post where the standard Powerlink 5v injection on pin4 was tested to not work, I am sure this is somewhere on this or the older forum, anyone can help me out please?

I am not sure if there has been a post documenting that. I just wen’t through the long thread about the 1611 converter where BL3500 also was a big part of, and could see that it was other pins that power injection was done on based on the original info from Curious dreamer.

I can try it on some of my BL3500’s to see how they react. I should just be a matter of connecting them with a Powerlink cable to my Beosound Ouverture.

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Pic & drawing frm curious-dreamer

Great to have it confirmed in a drawing so there is not misunderstanding of the naming of pin numbers 🙂

 

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[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

puc shows l/r on 3/5, gnd audio+5v on 2, 5v on 4

That sound like a normal powerlink pinout

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Interesting to me its a mk2 (as per the gnd on 2)

Yes, but that does not fit with the picture that Matador got from him. That clearly showed and MCL engraving in the metal underneath the DIN connector, and the label said SW1.1 which is clearly a MK1. Of course some part could have been swapped which could also explain the pin2 GND.

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

I would believe everybody fiddling around with the system would expect something on the display

In my testing of the Beolink wireless W1 connected to the DIN connector on a BL3500 MK2 the display was not showing any source. It did however show volume change and the LED was on as seen on the picture in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/page/3/#post-44594

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

could also be a modded unit as the usual two red LEDs should be visible all the time

Actually one of the LED’s is the TIMER on indication, so that does not nessecarely have to be on.

 

Based on this I would very much think that the BL3500 mentioned here is modded somehow. Else any powerlink equipped B&O audio source should be able to turn it on.

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[Madskp]

And now that I look in the MCL handbook I can also see that it is right there

I have just become to used to option settings for Masterlink stuff.

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

I think I Have SW1.0 in one that I had not had luck connecting to anything

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Sidenote: the LCS9000 is used with option 2, only other option settable was 4 but no sound, no reaction on opt 5 and 6

I think when I original was testing my BL3500 with SW1.0 I tried to set it to option 6, but as you noted it will only output sound in option 2 when connected via MCL. So setting it to option 2, and now it is playing fine, so thank you for mentioning this 🙂

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

On that page, they give two prices for each, the second one being higher, but Google Translate is failing to translate that bit.  Don’t suppose you happen to know what the higher price is for?

The higher price is including mounting

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I have considered that option in fact and they do come up at a decent price on eBay sometimes, and they are certainly very mice to look at.  I would probably go for a 3000 or 3200, without the tape deck.

The 3000 and 3200 does not have datalink, so no control of Beogram. BC2300 could be an option if you do not want the tapedeck, but i does not have Masterlink built in so you will need the 1611 converter to connect it to Masterlink

CharlieWednesday wrote:

My understanding is that the various models in this range – none of them have a built-in phono stage, am I right?

Correct, none of the models have built in RIAA

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[Madskp]

Just a thought to this with respect for your current choice of the BS4 as the audio master in the system.

The BS Ouverture has both Masterlink and datalink with the ability to control a Beogram in it, so that can be an alternative solution as an audiomaster with teh capability that you want. The Ouverture do however not have DAB and SD card like the BS4.

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[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

lol, talk about the virus, just bought another BL3500 mk1 .. (SW1.1 – with tablestand)

Hehe, yeah. I have 5 BL3500’s in my collection now, but the last 2 was part of a LOT where I was going for other stuff.

I think I Have SW1.0 in one that I havd not had luck connecting to anything, and the SW1.2, 2.0 in two other MK1 BL3500. The last two are MK2 with SW3.1 on both

and I am in touch with curious-dreamer to get more details, he mentioned he bought the system from a guy who also supplied the DIN-Minijack cable to him, if we can‘t figure it out we get back to that guy to see if he modded anything

Interesting if anything new arises. Let me know if you need me to test or doublecheck something on one of my BL3500’s

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Unless you can make some?  Like the home-made ones in this listing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/226262051072 Actually the same seller has those bits on offer (a bit pricey) as a ‘static wall mount’:  https://www.quality-dream-audio.co.uk/stands-furniture-wall-mounts-and-clocks/redline-4560-static-wall-mount.html (The official Redline ‘static wall mount’ was actually a two part bracket, with those bits attaching to a separate piece that was screwed to the wall.)

Yes DIY may be a possible solution. I actually have some furniture bracket that it might be possible to modify.

Guy wrote:

So the piece that you are missing may well be described as a ‘Redline wall bracket’ in any sale listings!

Great to have the right search term. Just hoping that the sellers use the same term 😉

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote:

Can anyone confirm this is correct?

That’s correct – you can see those brackets fitted in this listing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186599725335

Great, thank you 🙂 Then I will just have to see if I can find them at a reasonable price

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[Madskp]

If I am not mistaken I might be missing a bracket like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/186461396559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3Db10fa3817a36410aa94b3387d3b3e8ce%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D186461396559%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2WithMLRV6RankerPricelessTop30Features%26brand%3DBang%2B%2526%2BOlufsen&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3A664442eb1910ac1d39a6dfacfffed426%7Cpageci%3Ade06a5c7-5d7c-11ef-9318-2250449e11a6%7Ciid%3A1%7Cvlpname%3Avlp_homepage to mount the speakers on the stand.

Can anyone confirm this is correct?

Thanks in advance

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I’m guessing therefore that the signals for Beogram CD are the same as those for Beogram, but not the same as those used for TV or Tape – I also tried plugging my BG8500 into both the TV and Tape sockets on the MCL2AV, but then none of the Beo4 buttons (TV, DVD, V.Mem, DTV, or A.Mem) resulted in any response from the turntable

That is correct. Datalink 80 codes for CD and Phono are if not the same at least compatible, whereas those for tape are only for tape. The TV connector use Datalink 86 which is why it can also communicate with the AAL connector on the 1611 converter.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

This has all been very interesting, but it seems there is no solution without compromise.  I only hope boffins somewhere (such as those at Hall Audio) will build something!  Think of all the people with Beosound 4 and 5, and later NL products, who’d like to control their connected Beograms with remote control?  I know I won’t be the only one!

Yes it’s a pity that there is not a good solution for this yet, but hopefully Hall Audio can spot a market for it with their new product line.

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