[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

I am not sure if it is safe to leave PL pins 1 and 4 connected, but that was just temporary so I will research further if I ever have to use this setup permanently.

It might not be a good idea since you are connecting to different circiuts. But for a more permanent solution you can solder (I know you don’t like that 😉 ) an adapter where you connect pin 4 from the Becenter to pin 1 on the Passive. That should be safe.

Guy wrote:

I think the clock is running properly in the BeoCenter and simply sends out an ML time signal ‘on the hour’, which updates the BeoLab.  And yes I should be able to set the clock in the two-way BC2300 but to do so I need to find one of my Beolink 5000s – that search is presenting a problem!!!  I also need the BL5000 to ‘read’ the clock in the BC2300 – I tried selecting CLOCK with a Beo4 and nothing happens.  I’ll look at these and your other question if/when I find the remote!

Ok I thought you could only program the time with a Beolink 5000, but do I understand correctly that you can not even see the clock on the display of the Beocenter 2300? If so the Ouverture is much of an improvement in that regard.

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

The older (two-way IR) BC2300 behaves exactly like the newer one.  I connected it just to the BL1611 and BL3500, and at 1104hrs the time appeared on the BeoLab, showing 1900hrs.

Do you think it is  coincidence that it shows a on the hour clock to start with or is there something else going on? You should be able to set the clock in the two way BC2300, right? Can you see the time on the display of the BC2300 to verify?

Guy wrote:

added the NL/ML Converter temporarily to the mix just to update the clock in the BC2300 and then removed it.  I powered down/up the BL3500 and the time disappeared, only to re-appear at 1200hrs (showing 1200hrs), clearly having received an ‘on the hour’ clock update message from the BC2300.

And interestingly enough if the clock gets updated in this scenario where you should be able to set the clock on the two way BC2300 (if I am right in my earlier question?).

Guy wrote:

As an aside (thread drift) I have noticed that with the system at stand-by, when selecting BC2300 sources in the link room, the speakers in the main room are turned on as well (in this case actually a Passive that clicks into life).  Option settings are correct and this happens with both BC2300s, and with a different BL1611.  It may be a limitation of using the BC2300 with a BL1611, but seems strange so I will investigate further.

This is a side effect of the Passive being able to support MCL rooms (I think we had this up in another thread) so it is waked up by the powerlink signal on pin 1 to be ready to serve MCL link rooms.

So the passive is not optimal for driving passive speakers in the main room. Might be solved by making an adapter that switch pin 1 and 4 in the powerlink cable though.

 

 

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[Madskp]

Hello. You are not the first to have this issue. Take a look at this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/how-to-wire-7-din-plug-to-beogram/#post-53422

Hope that can help wire it up

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[Madskp]

Interesting findings

Guy wrote:

I thought I would test the ability of the NL/ML Converter to ‘push time to ML products’, which is one of the setting in its System Menu.  As soon as I selected this option, the correct time appeared in the BL3500 – not really surprising but I am glad that this worked.

Is the NL/ML converter set as videomaster in this instance? Here I am just wondering how the ML system prioritize when 2 clock signals are available

Guy wrote:

I disconnected the NL/ML Converter from the ML setup, and temporarily removed the power from the BL3500.  The time disappeared.  However, on the hour (at 1200hrs GMT) the correct time appeared on the BL3500.  I can only assume that this time signal is coming from the BC2300.

So it appers that the clock in the BC2300 can be set by being in ML network with another device providing a clock signal if I understand this correctly?

Guy wrote:

This clock does appear to ‘broadcast’ the time over ML every hour on the hour.

Does that mean that the clock in the display on the Beloab 3500 only is adjusted once an hour, or are the minutes ticking?

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[Madskp]

SaltineSurfer wrote:

Madskp wrote: So my best guess is that the MCL2AV does not establish a data connection with the 1611/BC6-23 before it has been initialised, which in this case first seems happen after the TV has activated the MCL2AV a couple of times.

This must be why it stopped working for me, then came back to life.

Looking through a user manual for the MCL2 system I noticed this passage:

Not sure if it has to do with the issue we have experienced, but it sounds like the use of a local source  on a MCL2AV has some first time initialization when used with a MCL master. I wonder if this affects how the local source is interperted when there is not an MCL master present, and if that could cause the non responsive behaviour.

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I want to put one of my (currently unused) Beolab 2000s in my garage (I don’t put the car in it; it’s used as part storage, part gym).  This should make that easy if I use two of these, plus a Cat7 cable.  Much easier to route a Cat7 cable through the wall!

Also an added benefit 🙂

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Speaking of Hall Audio, their Kickstarter has begun for the ML Streamer.  I signed up as soon as I got the email and think I was the first backer!  The Kickstarter is here, if you’re interested.

I have signed up for a ML streamer. Now we just have to see if they succed with the Kickstarter

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[Madskp]

Tignum wrote:

Hi, for the crimping check this thread: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/38487.aspx. I do remember I had to find connectors that have the correct ‘AWG’ dimension for the ML wires. Most suppliers are not very specific. Hope it is useful!

A very usefull thread indeed. Allways good to have more than one solution for this

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[Madskp]

Tignum wrote:

I used to crimp RJ45 connectors to cut-in-two ML cables for connecting to RJ45 wall outlets.

Could you elaborate on how you did this?  I am thinking about how you handle the three ground wires and also the pink and white/blue wires that has to be connected? Did you use a special RJ45 connector?

Also have you also tried the other variant from Hall Audio?

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

Getting back to my Ouverture project I have now per Guy’s suggestion in another thread tried to play a CD which use the full 74 minute playtime. I have played it several times, and the Ouverture can play the whole CD without problems. The problem that I have to press CD twice to get the CD spinning remains however. I have tried to reflow alle the new capacitors just in case one of them had a bad connection, but that did not make any difference. The updated part of the servicemanual for the CDM laser available at Beoworld has this passage which might very well be what I am experiencing: However section 5 is not in the update for the servicemanual, and the procedure described in the older servicemanual is for a PCB with two trimmer potentiometers which is not on the PCB in my Ouverture So I wonder if a newer version of section 5 in the servicemanual is available? Also I would have to get hold of the described test CD to do these adjustments

In trying to fix this I picked up two defective Ouvertures hoping that another CD servo board might make a difference.

I disassembled my own unit and the one of the defective ones only to discover that they have another type of servo board (and also laser I guess).

Dissapointed I reassebled my own unit, and discovered that now the CD starts playing at first press on CD button both on the front panel and the remote.

So this endedup being a succes, and I got some other spare parts out of it 😀

Now I just hope this will last.

One thing I notice on the defective units is that the have software 1.4 where my original unit have 1.2.

Not sure if it makes sence to upgrade it?

I read in an old thread the option 5 and 6 is available from sw 2.1 which could be interesting,

 

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I did not know that! That does explain however why they released a version that had no labels on the buttons. I always wondered why.

Yep. an easy way to use the same IR eye for several products, and probably cheaper than develop a separate IR eye with less functionality

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

I assume there is some sort of conflict between ML RADIO (which I want to be the BC2300 FM radio) and the B&O RADIO (effectively internet radio) that is part of the app.  Anyone know if I can change settings to access the BC2300’s FM RADIO via the B&O app? EDIT:  I have tried putting the BC2300 in A.OPT 0, and then adding an IR sensor to the NL/ML Converter – I have IR mapped the ML sources.  I can select all mapped BC2300 sources (including RADIO) using the Beo4, but the RADIO source still does not appear in the app.

Not really sure, but what if you map Radio to another source in the NL/ML converter?

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[Madskp]

The Beosystem 4 only have the connection for the IR signal, so it can not use the functions from the buttons even though they are there

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[Madskp]

Hi again. For easy replacement it would be the whole front panel with the displsy you need.

probably Ebay could be a source.

here in Denmark it is often cheaper to buy a complete Beolab 3500 than spare parts for it

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[Madskp]

Looking forward to the development in this 😀

To bad that the update did not change anything

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[Madskp]

Simon Jackslin wrote:

Another thing I was thinking about, should the 15V outlet on the MCL2P be connected to something for everything to work?

No thats for powering a MCL2AV if the MCL2P is used as an amplifier for that.

 

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[Madskp]

Simon Jackslin wrote:

Is there any obvious way to see if IR is broken?

Not that I know of other than not reacting to option or service commands

Simon Jackslin wrote:

In what mode does the BeoLab 3500 need to be in, in order to react to the remote control commands? Should I see the clock in the display before?

It is not dependent on the clock showing. This is transfered from the Beosystem 2500, but I have a note saying that this was not working on SW 1.0. Anyway the BL3500 should just be turned on to be able to recieve commands

Simon Jackslin wrote:

One last question, in what order do I press the buttons on the remote control. Do I press one button at the time, or at the same time?

On at the time

 

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[Madskp]

Simon Jackslin wrote:

The MCL2P turns green when I turn on the BeoSystem 2500, so the cable is working. When pressing the mute button on the BeoLab 3500, the display shows (for example: cd 1) what is playing on the BeoSystem 2500, but I never get any sound. All the buttons on the BeoLab 3500 works and the systems are talking to each other (I can turn on the BeoSystem 2500 by pressing mute button on the BeoLab 3500).

This clearly indicates that your cables works (at least for the communications part).

Simon Jackslin wrote:

But how do I change this option setting if the BeoLab 3500 doesn’t respond to the remote control?

If it does not respond to the options commands: Link, 2, Store the I think the IR receiver might have a failure.

Simon Jackslin wrote:

Might this indicate that the BeoLab 3500 is broken? Or might it be that the volume on the BeoLab is on 0 and can only be changed using the remote control?

hard to tell if it’s one or the other. But since the remote is not working you can not even put it in a test mode to check the sound input. So first thing would probably be to get the IR reciever repaired and then take it from there

 

 

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[Madskp]

Hello again

Simon Jackslin wrote:

I tried connecting the BeoLab 3500 to the MCL 2P and from the MCL 2P to the BeoSystem 2500. They talk to each other but I don’t get any sound from the BeoLab 3500 (only from the BeoSystem 2500). I made a sketch of the setup (don’t judge my drawing :)). The red line show what cable I used when trying to connect the BeoLab 3500 to the BeoSystem 2500.

The cables looks to be the right ones. The Powerlink cable have to be a specific type to activate the MCL2P. You can confirm this if the MCL2P has a green light on the front? If it is red then it is not activated. If so try without the powerlink Y cable.

Simon Jackslin wrote:

I also tried using the BeoLink 1000 and Beo4 controler with no success. Both controls work for the BeoSystem 2500 but I have no communication from the control to the BeoLab 3500. Only the buttons on the BeoLab 3500 works. Is there something I am doing wrong? Sometimes I can get the display on the BeoLab 3500 to flash brighter red when pressing buttons on the Beo4 or BeoLink 1000 control, but still no respons. Can the IR eye be broken? And do I need the control to start the BeoLab 3500 or can I do it with the buttons on the BeoLab?

The mute button on the Beolab 3500 should make it join whatever is playing on the Beosystem 2500, or start the radio if the Beosystem 2500 is in standby.

Regarding the remote control have you tried to do option settings? Option 0 is no IR, so if that is set you can not use normal commands before it is changed to option 1 or 2

However it is not unheard of the the IR part of the Beolab 3500 is broken. There is a great repair guide for it in this thread if you are able to do it yourself https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-sometimes-responds-to-remote-control-sometimes-it-doesnt/#post-29738

Regarding my earlier comment about other connection options that will not be possible without a software upgrade as the SW ver. 1.0 does not support use of the Masterlink connection

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

I have one question that isn’t covered in the NL/ML Installation Guide (version 1.4).  Half way down the settings page there are ‘App Settings’.  I have set the ‘Icon Shown in Apps’ to Beovision 10 as you can see below: (the other icon options are Beovisions 9, 8, 7 and 3) But I am unclear as to where to expect to see that BeoVision 10 icon.  All I get when using the B&O app to control the TV (via Beolink Converter) is a picture of the Beolink Converter, as you can see below:

I have noticed this setting, but did not pay much attention to it for my test use of the converter. I think mine is set to Beovision 10, and in the App only the BLC NL/ML is shown as you have also noticed.

Maybe more extensive users of the BLC NL/ML have more knowledge about this functionality.

 

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[Madskp]

Simon Jackslin wrote:

t a BeoSystem 2500 and in that package I also received a BeoLab 3500 and an amplifier MCL 2P. My question is, how do I connect the BeoLab soundbar to the BeoSystem 2500? I heard something about a MCL2AV.

The MCL2P can be used to convert the Powerlink output on the Beosystem 2500 to a MCL network where the Beolab 3500 can be connected provided the BL3500 is a MK1 version (you can see that by checking if MCL is engraved in the metal under the 8 Pin DIN connector on the back of it). Do you have the cables for it?

There might also be other options to connect it depending on the SW version of the Beolab 3500, but then you will need another converter box in that case. Sometimes the software version is printed on the label on the back of it SW x.x, or else you should be able to see it by presssing Menu, 0, 0, Play on the Beolink 1000

MCL2AV can not be used for this.

Simon Jackslin wrote:

I also heard that the settings on the BeoLab needs be on “option 1”. How do I change this setting without a controller (I only have a Beolink 1000 for the BeoSystem 2500). Do I need to buy a Beo4 controller?

The option settings should be 2 when used with MCL . Option settings can be done with the Beolink 1000 by pressing Link, X (option number), Store

If you have further questions you are welcome to ask again

 

 

 

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