[carolpa]

is the Beo4 set to option 4 operation only?

• This reply was modified 6 days, 3 hours ago by carolpa.

[carolpa]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I have been thinking again about your setup @carolpa, and sorry for all of these questions, but if I get more than one Beolink Converter NL/ML, how exactly does that work?

How do you control the devices in each room – via the device, or via the BLC (with an IR eye perhaps)?
Does this work with your speakers connected to the ML device, or do the speakers need to be connected to the BLC directly?
How are your BLCs set up – are they set as source centres?  Do you need to use IR mapping options?
Can you play the source from one room in another room?  If so, are there any limitations to that?
If I have my Beosystem 3 as a video source in Opt.2 and my Beosound 9000 as an audio source in Opt.0 (in the same room), could they both be connected to the same BLC?

I do have one BLC NL/ML which I bought to connect my Beosound Moment into my network, but it never really worked the way I wanted it to, and anyway I prefer my Beosound 5 over the Beosound Moment, so neither the Moment or the BLC are in use right now.

My set-up explained:

The system is a mix of ASE and Mozart products. I should also mention that I do have BLI installed, but if you have ASE products you do not need BLI.
For the moment I have 4 BLC (Beolink converter NL/ML) connected to the NL system (Beosystem 7000, BS9000, BS3000, Beocenter 2). Each BLC has only one ML product connected. The BLC is set as VMaster (or ASlave) and none have speakers connected.
The BLC are Beolink connected to ASE devices as primary or secundary products and the ML sources are set as sources of that NL device (BS35, BS Core, BS Essense mkII).

All the sources are now avilable on NL. I can start a source with the B&o app and/or my Beoremote Halo’s and Join others (Note: the device with the source connected can be muted).

 

Additional with BLI……

I can start any source in the system on any device in the system with my Beoremote Halo’s. This is made possible by “Lua” programming of the Halo.

 

The main difference: my system is general setup as NL with ML product added as sources.

[carolpa]

Madskp wrote:

carolpa wrote:
I have a copy of a Mastercontrollink handbook of 8-95
Thanks for adding information 🙂 I was curious if the 1994 one was the last one to mention MCL2 systems. Is that month/year shown on the front page or mentioned in the preface?

carolpa wrote:
(the paper one I have is presumably older),
Is it one of those I have mentioned in the above post? I just added pictures of the front pages to make it easier to identify.

carolpa wrote:
succeeded with a Masterlink handbook (I do have a 4-97 copy).
I might also have to go through the different versions I have. Again it that date/month printed on the front page or elsewhere?

MCL Handbook – Dutch version date 1-1993 (paper version) – date last page
MCL Handbook – English version date 8-1995 (digital version) – date last page

ML Handbook – Dutch version date 10-1994 (paper version) – date last page
ML Handbook – Dutch version date 4-1997 (digital version) – date last page
ML Handbook – US version dat 10-1997  (digital version) – date last page
ML Handbook – Dutch version date 1-2004 (digital version) – preface page

Beolink Handbook – version 1.5 date 20150112
Beolink Handbook – version 1.7 date 20150622
Beolink Handbook – version 1.9 date 20161122
(all digital)

 

 

[carolpa]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Thanks both.

Both the Beosound 4 and Beosound 9000 seem to be capable of being in A Opt. 5 or A Opt. 6, but as my speakers are connected to the Beosystem 3, that would not work fully for the reasons that Madskp gives (or not without a Powerlink switch, anyway)

Carolpa, that’s interesting re the NL system.  I do have a Beolink Converter NL/ML, and I have two 1611 converters, but I assume I’d need three 1611 (or 1614) converters?  I’d need one for the Beosound 9000, one for the Beosound 4, and one for the Beosystem 3?  Would that work with the speakers connected to my Beosystem 3 (for surround sound)?

I could have sworn I also had a 1614 converter somewhere, I’ll have to have a rummage in the spare room…

Central is my setup a NL setup. I have several Beolink Converters NL/ML (BLC) in this system. Every BLC has one ML device connected. Now I have all the sources, also the ML one, available.

[carolpa]

an addition to Madskp remarks.

If a device is set in option 5 or 6 the sources of this device are local sources. So f.e. if the BS4 is set in option 5 (not sure if possible, but just for the “if”) the sources of the BS4 are only available in that room. Though the sources of the AudioMaster are available in all the connected ML-system.

Note: in a NL system, one can have multiple BLC’s all with only one ML-device connected to a BLC, then ALL sources, the NL sources as well the ML sources are available throughout the whole system.

[carolpa]

I have a copy of a Mastercontrollink handbook of 8-95… (the paper one I have is presumably older),

and was (presumably) succeeded with a Masterlink handbook (I do have a 4-97 copy).

[carolpa]

the most obvious reason I can imagen is: the music file format is transfered to another playable format. For example a DSF is transfered to a PCM format  and the proces to do so is to slow. Or all music files are transfered to 24bit 96kHz and the proces of transfer is to slow.

[carolpa]

Kim wrote:

carolpa wrote:
Skip the primary and secundairy connection altogether. All my BLC’s are set primary and secondary to themselve! This will make the operation unnessecary  complex.

But is the BL3500 BLC still set as ASlave? If so, then this is incorrect! ASlave is used if a sole ML device without speakers connected, adds sources to NL. The BLC should be set as AVmaster.

You should be able to play Deezer on the Moment and JOIN a BLC. But how to start Deezer on the BL3500 then? A question to be cracket.

I’ve changed the configuration so that the BLC-BL35 points to itself. This allows it to pull both InTune (via IR commands for RADIO and CD). If I leave the primary and secondary fields empty, it behaves the same way. However, there’s still an issue with getting N.MUSIC (Deezer) – Choosing N.MUSIC just makes a click noise from the speaker and indicates N.MUSIC but stills plays either RADIO (InTune) and if I play CD (from BS9000) and choosing N.MUSIC but no audio.

Just to clearify: with a remote you give the BL3500 the N.Music command? Maybe someone else can clearify is Deezer can be expanded to ML products?

If I understand correctly, adding a primary would make a specific BLC act as a “slave” to another BLC. How should the secondary connection be interpreted? Is it simply meant to allow a BLC to be linked to two specific units it should communicate with? I just want to understand the intended usage of the primary and secondary connections. I’ve browsed the NL Handbook but can’t say that I found anything specific talking about the roles and explaining; or I just missed it.

Primary/secundary –   the sources of the, primary/secondary  linked, NL product are  shared with the linked to product. For example I set the BS7000 BLC as primary linked and the BS3000 BLC as secondaty to my BS Shape. Now the sources of the BS7000 and the BS3000 are local sources of my Shape; see picture.

In principle your Moment should be able to do this also (but with all the sw issues in the past I’m not sure it still does).

No, for now I’ve set the BLC-BL35 as A.Master and what would the different be to set it AV.Master?

Technical speaking because the ML-string on this BLC doesn’t have a A.Master nor a V.Master you want to access ALL NL connected (and made available), thus as well audio as video sources. Then you have to set the BLC as AVMaster.

For now, beside getting certain multi-room effect but not getting the B&O app to play along was a bummer. Just wondering if it ever worked?

It worked fine. But since the latest changes not everything is working as before, but still………..

 

 

[carolpa]

Kim wrote:

@carolpa: Yes, the BL3500 BLC set is still in place so nothing has changed. How would you deploy and setup the various BLC’s ti allow the NL be the central – not sure I understand how it would be possible to connect in a different way, or?

Should I understand that I make my BLC-BV10 the primary unit and then change so that the primary connection is set to the BLC-BV10 and the seconday BLC to whatever would be of interest for the specific BLC. Something like this then for the BLC-BL35:

Doing so I’m able then to play both CD (BS9000) and InTune (Moment) but neither able to get it to play N.MUSIC or pulling the normal audio from the TV-tuner. Unfortunate when I try to use the B&O App to play Deezer I get a brief error message saying – “This product does not support Deezer in the Bang & Olufsen App. To use this product with Deezer, use the Deezer app.”. What does work is that I can start N.MUSIC to the BL3500 via a for example Beo4 remote which I then able to see that is playing in the B&O App indicating that the source is Music from Beosound Moment and can’t control anything, meaning I can’t init play, pause or stop the music, only able to see what is being played from the Moment including that I can see device menu that music is being played on the BLC-BL35.

So to me it seems that it’s not possible to use setup a multi-room using a BLC and BL3500 since the B&O App won’t support it.

Skip the primary and secundairy connection altogether. All my BLC’s are set primary and secondary to themselve! This will make the operation unnessecary  complex.

But is the BL3500 BLC still set as ASlave? If so, then this is incorrect! ASlave is used if a sole ML device without speakers connected, adds sources to NL. The BLC should be set as AVmaster.

You should be able to play Deezer on the Moment and JOIN a BLC. But how to start Deezer on the BL3500 then? A question to be cracket.

[carolpa]

With my questions I was searching for conflicts.

Your response learned me that you should “re-think” your setup. Let NL be central and ML attached sources.

How is your BL3500 BLC set? is the above setting s still in place?

[carolpa]

Your NL network:

1. Moment
2. BLC – BV10 connected. set as AMaster
3. BLC – BS9000 connected, set as VMaster (or ASlave if no speakers are connected)
4. BLC – T1611 – BS6500 connected. set as VMaster (or ASlave if no speakers are connected)

this is correct?

Does iTunes on the Moment start on a N.Radio command or on the Radio command?

Could you confirm the IR mapping on all BLC are the same and correct?

[carolpa]

Be aware that in the whole system you only can have one CD, one A.Tape, one Radio, etc. to be started with a remote. That’s the one programmed in the BLC. If another BLC has also a CD player connected, then it should be programmed as another source. If you have two BLC’s with different CD sources IR programmed as CD, which you want to start with a remote,  and you give the CD c0mmand. you’ll end up with a conflict.

On the otherhand if you’re using the B&o app this limitation doesn’t occur.
For example: with the app or my Halo’s I can start a BS9000, Beosystem 7000 (all sources), the Beocenter 2, my BS3000 and a Beosystem 4500 (all seperate connected to a different BLC).

This is possible because 1) ML products are primary and secondary linked to BS Core’s or BS Essense’s mkII, 2) BeoLiving Intelligence.

[carolpa]

beojeff wrote:

I have my Kaleidescape player using the “TV” source on the Beovision 10. The NL/ML Converter is in the same room with it’s IR eye near the BV10 so it’s getting the same IR commands. I don’t have speakers connected to the NL/ML Converter.

The BLI macro is using the trigger of CONTROL + PRESS + CONTROL.

1. AI in BL says CONTROL doesn’t work on a BLC😕
2. If no source is set on on your BLC when giving the Control_Press_Control, no command, and specific this one, is passed through …… Or am I missing something… please add your thougths on this.

[carolpa]

beojeff wrote:

I used the “monitor” feature of the BLI and found that the correct command to use for the center button is “CONTROL”. The Global Cache IP2IR is a pretty useful device. I have another one that I use in another room to be able to change the inputs of a TV connected to a Beosystem 4 to take advantage of 4K.

I was curious and made a little setup myself.
What I mis above is the source you call first on the BLC before pressing the  “button”.

[carolpa]

Did you try to use LIGHT instead of CONTROL?

of course you have to use the light command on the remote…. but just to see what happens

[carolpa]

Guy wrote:

I think it’s the same battery at the BC9500.  I use these which fit perfectly as they have the correct pin spacing:  https://uk.farnell.com/renata/cr2450-nfh-lf/cell-lithium-button-2pin-3v/dp/1319731

As you can see both pins solder on the same side (other side from the physical battery).

EDIT:  After replacing the battery you may need to adjust the FM/AM offset in Test Mode as explained on page 7-3 of the service manual. (That’s assuming you have FM/AM stations in your area with known frequencies)

Thx for the link. I ordered one.
The Beomaster had an ordinary  CR2450 Cell Battery cable soldered to the PCB

[carolpa]

Kim wrote:

BLC-BV10: 1st BLC (ML Role: A-Master) device used to connect the Beosound Moment with BV10.
BLC-Bs6: 2nd BLC added to get the Beosystem 6500 connected to the ML-network via Beolink 1611.
BLC-BS9: 3rd BLC (ML Role: A-Slave) to connect the Beosound 9000 to avoid having two A-Masters.
BLC-BL3: 4th BLC (ML Role: A-Slave) to be used for the BL3500.

Guy and Madskp are right.
the essence is your misinterpretation of the “A.Master” and “A.Slave” setting of a BLC.

On the NL-side there are NO differenses between devices, so all devices are equal, no masters no slaves.
On ML side there, you must have or a V.Master, A.Master or both.
That said, the master and slave settings for the BLC´s are for the ML connected devices of THAT BLC.

So setting a BV10 as V.Master on one BLC doesn’t mean your complete system (NL & ML) has a V.Master. It means de ML string connected to that BLC sees the BLC acts as V.Master in that ML string.

Thus to have the BL3500 working correctly you should follow up one of the proposed solutions.

[carolpa]

Guy wrote:

I’ve only carried out the procedure on a couple of BC9500s, but no-one else has replied.

For me, a new battery solved the problem – I think I had to carry out the COdE procedure again after battery replacement, but there have been no further problems since with either system.

In my experience, if you keep the system connected to mains power the problem may not re-occur – my mother-in-law’s system failed early because she switched it off at the wall every night.  However, if the battery is flat then it may be close to leaking, hence worth replacing.

I’m currently debating changing the battery in a BS3000 that I have taken apart for door/CD belt changes – will probably do so to give it a longer lifespan.

thx

Is the battery on the “minus” side also soldered as the plus side is? It looks like the battery is stuck on the PCB.  I opened “the box” also on the opposite side, but it was unclear to me where it was soldered on the PCB (maybe I shoud re-examine it), any help would be appreciated.

[carolpa]

How about MOTS?

with large collections it will take a long time to complete!

so I would first switch of MOTS (if applicable) and see what happens.

And changes in the music collection or every restart interrupt the completion of MOTS.

[carolpa]

carolpa wrote:

info:

BS3000 – BLC –  NL : start cd with button on BS3000 – NL source doesn’t start
BS9000 – BLC –  NL : start cd with button on BS9000 – NL source doesn’t start
BS7000 – BLC –  NL : start cd with button on BG CD7000 – NL source doesn’t start this evening (but I’m not sure this was the same before I powered everything down this afternoon, but forgot the Beosystem 7000 and the T1611 (which I restarted later on))

I will do a proper reset lateron.

Did a reset on the Beosystem 7000. Nothing has changed.

There is one difference though. The BLC’s are primary linked to BS Core’s (Shape’s)

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