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Yes…pedantic Sandy.

For your future B&O Lexicon knowledge base …….“its not for everybody” = Very.

Glad to have clarified that for you.

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XavierItzmann wrote:

Techmoan is a British guy who reviews audio products, mostly, and has 1.3 million subscribers. So he’s got great reach among people who are not traditional B&O customers. It was exhilarating to see his video from today, where he declares at 5:15 he is “very, very impressed” with the paired stereo performance of the A1. A student who buys an A1 today should become an A9 customer in a few short years, I say. Except the reviewer found a few too many software bugs in his review to ultimately recommend the product wholeheartedly, despite how good the acoustics are. I hope B&O can kill its software blues before those doom the company.

Ok, so I have lots of problems with this. I get it that the first-time Millennial buyer is going to be impressed with a rather small bluetooth loudspeaker…paired and that it can be a gateway drug……to what? More Bluetooth quality devices?

The next step-up in can be Emerge, Level, A5 etc…but as one grows (and can afford), your looking at the A9 which is nearly £4k. Then the BL28s at over £12k. That’s serious money territory for most of us and there’s a whole lot of non-B&O products out there that can more than compete with B&o.

Go back to my youth….BS Century, then quickly to BL6000/BS2500, then add-in the linkable MX TVs and BL4000s, 8000s etc….a complete system – scalable and on (then) less than the average UK wage circa 1995-2000.

Now currency inflation is as assured as taxes and death, listening content changes…as does living space and style but it seems to me that B&O back then offered a clear relatively affordable pathway to more than a half-decent AV system. Certainly less so today.

But before we get to todays products…….and developing the Customer base (oh and remember, most of us will be excluded as we are not B&Os new customer base which is the high net worth individual – or as former CEO Tue Mantoni put it….. “its not for everybody”)

…….we stumble on some continual basic software glitches.

 

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Steve at Sounds Heavenly wrote:

Freedom of speech is an important issue and any post deletion is not done lightly. However, Beoworld needs to ensure that we are not at risk of liability when privileged information is shared in public on our forum. Thanks for your understanding with this sensitive issue. Kind regards, Steve.

Im sorry Steve and other BW mods. B&O made a mistake (again) and should live with it. The NDA aspect does not apply because to OP had no way as a Beta tester to know if this was an open domain or not? Nor was the Beta tester notified that there was confidential information held under NDA. At the very least if B&O still insisted that this mistake be retracted from BW, they should have communicated in a way that it their clear error and the OP notified as the offending post was being withdrawn for those reasons.

The street runs both ways…the errors keep coming from B&O and the pick-ups keep coming from the enthusiasts. The Enthusiasts should not feel to be in the wrong all the time.  There is nothing I see wrong (and B&O should man-up to this – and BeoWorld should make it policy) in publishing any request from B&O that they have made a commercially sensitive mistake and kindly request a take-down of a forum members post. That way it is all honest and B&O keep their commercial sensitive information and everyone recognises that.

ten cents worth. thank you

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YannChris wrote:

Just some comments here if I may?

1. Im not sure you can connect the NAS to the BL50. The BL50 has no rendering capability.

2. The NAS just needs to be connected (somewhere) to your home network. As does the Theatre and the Core. Because of  DLNA, both the Theatre and the Core will “See” the NAS

3. On the same basis, you dont need to “Line-in” the core to the Theatre, and its probably better you dont?

4. Further, I do not why you would need the Core if you have the Theatre. I think, based on the information supplied…..it is superfluous?

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Yossi wrote:

What I understood is that wide and narrow (for BL50) is a completely different behaviour for the speakers (thanks to dsp), like having 2 different pairs of speakers. So I run a room compensation with narrow selected and 3 points closely spaced (one chair no friends).This is for critical listening And I run another room compensation with wide selected and 3 points “around my sofa” as explained by Geoff. This is for sharing music or a movie with my family

As I understand it….with the Bl90, is that there are two distinct processes going on here:-

1. Narrow mode uses high latency calculations to 3 points in space (one chair, no mates, around where your head is). The narrow mode calculations minimise in-room reflections and amongst other things give “the sharpest imaging”. Wide mode on the otherhand can be used with lower latency, reduce the in-room calculations to reduce room reflections BUT offer amongst other things, a better lip-sync when watching a Beovision or less critical music listening.
2. The Second principle is of the number of listening positions and merging the separate calculations together. You can “blend” multiple one chair, no mates, listening positions in the room in narrow mode and merge them all together. (Not sure what the benefit will be but you can do it – or you just use wide or omni mode)

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To add further.

If you wish to run music only (Wide/Narrow/Omni) – then repeat the Theatre with preset 1/2/3.  IIRC, The BeoApp has a toggle for high/low latency during setup. I’m not going there to check as it will bugge*-up my calibration (again). I also dont play any critical music via the Theatre to the BL90s, preferring a 3rd party source via XLR input.

NB: I think the app may also allow you to select W/N/O mode with the latency?? As I say…im not going there for you as it messes up my settings which im happy with.

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Ok.

You run calibration on your BL50/90 (and I’m talking specifically BL90 from my experience – I assume 50’s are the same) via the internal loudspeaker calibration process. This is distinct and separate from the BS Theatre calibration. The calibration(s) is/are generic for the number of listening points and calculates Wide/Narrow and Omni all at the same time.

When calibrating the room response for the Theatre processing, I have found that you must ensure the internal BL90 switching is/or was left in wide mode.

Then you run RoomSense with the calibration speaker preset set in Auto/zer0 (0)

This seems to give good results. I initially did this with the Speaker Preset in Theatre set to 2 (I assumed wide – as per the BL90 calibration – to give the latency time) but this was very echoey.

 

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Hi Thanks. Fully aware of that link.

My question is how to repair the windows system failure? does the tool fix (windows)  or just the B&O wrapper for BS5 or both?

Regards

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I think what you have reported is the same as my experience (which I have reported to Support). i.e the “O” button on the Essence should be “Go” for the last source. If nothing is found (as per the local sources in configuration), it selects the Radio.

What I also found is that you can no longer (or at least I have found) cycle the “O” button to pick up configured sources. i.e. to play DNLA files from my NAS, I have to activate via the BeoApp. Once in DNLA I can < > all day long and tracks will forward/Repeat.

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Having dumped the Eclipse mk1 as soon as the Theatre came out….that’s the first think I would do all over again in an instant.

The speaker choice is a bit more complicated. If you are not into listening to high quality music (with a quality non-B&O source I would add), save money on not getting the BL50s.

I am not a fan (anymore) of the BL28s and it is because I don’t like their design and the faff of the wooden slats etc.. (in fact I don’t like any B&O speaker with wooden slats but that’s me), I would keep with the BL5s.

The risk of the BL5s is that they are getting on a bit and posts seem to indicate more and more are failing/need service. This is down to your risk-aversion on unwanted repairs and part availability. I think the BL5s will be a better accompaniment to TV/film entertainment than the BL28s?

That’s my 2 cents….

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I think it is less to do with the remote but more to do with the programming of ASE platforms like the A6. I have previously reported to Support/Beta programme on the loss of functionality after updates.

My opinion is that a lot of the software problems now are associated with trying to get everything unified across different platforms

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It may be quite a complicated fix. Your ears/brain “muscle memory” may have a lot to do with it.

I have found (recollect) the BL4000s sounded great….right up to the point I replaced them with BL3s. It was night and day for me.

Adding BL5s and assigning the BL3s to surround speakers is another step up….….then once again re-assigning 3s to an office streamer rather than the main lounge setup….as you say, they do sound flat. I also found that the better the streamer/DAC (non-B&O) also made the sound less enjoyable.

So upgrading (both speaker and source) plays a big part in what you hear/enjoy. I would not throw the BL3s out. Pairing them with a 11 is good, but finding a good streamer may help. However,the non-B&O route is fraught with getting a streaming DAC that can run RCA/XLR to powerlink, Daisy-link the BL11 and trigger on voltage in. There may also be line attenuation issues which may also contribute to the flat sound you are hearing (if not a B&O source?

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Not sure why the A9 would not operate in a mesh network. I have an A6, Theatre and Halo which all work well if required, plus another 10 pieces of A/V gear.

I dont know your home network configuration is but you may want to try and have your Router wifi “invisible/forget” to all B&O equipment (or get the router to kick-off anything B&O) and then link the Mesh device (which is just an internal router in its own right) to the B&O gear.

In-fact, nothing in my home is connected to the Router other than the master Mesh device (by cable) and everything hard-wired or via Wi-Fi comes from the Mesh.

It may be (I assume/guess) the problem is having devices on different networks is causing the problem?

Hope that helps?

 

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Good,

B&O cannot aspire to selling flagship products to movie stars, rockstars, influencers and other VHNWIs if they cannot treat normal bread and butter customers properly. The CEO must be told this and understand, they cannot arbitrarily increase prices upwards without a corresponding increase in service.

I wish you good luck.

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I don’t know German law specifically, but UK law (EU Law) would be for an immediate replacement of the LG Panel. If the panel was 50 to 70% into its warranty period, then a repair would be “reasonable” to all parties.

Further, by your B&O Dealer giving you a “Metz” screen and not another LG screen, he is denying you the inherent features of using the B&Oflagship soundbar with a fully integrated panel screen.

You should, in no uncertain terms demand an immediate a replacement LG screen (either as a full replacement, or as a temporary screen while yours is repaired) and that to include any demonstration screens on display in the Dealers shop.

You should tell the Dealer you are very unhappy with the current treatment buying such a high value consumer product from him to be treated this way. You could buy an LG G3 from Amazon Prime, have it for 8weeks, find a fault, send it back and receive a full refund and buy another – delivered in 2days tops.

Finally, I would make the Dealer aware that if he does not sort this out to your satisfaction by the end of the week, you will be informing Denmark (CEO) directly. Email is on the B&O website.

Stand your ground, insist on proper remedy, make a noise if you have to. This is totally 100% unacceptable

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If this is supplied by B&O and less than 2 weeks old….should be classed as dead on arrival and a new replacement offered. No repair.

It happens (faults) but get your dealer to fix it via a new one (their supplier) and all should be good?

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1. Try a long press of the calibration button to reset.
2. When I had BL5s, they could only accommodate 10 calibrations before they locked up and needed a Service Engineer to clear the memory. I don’t know if this was Mk1, only or mk2?

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I think the synconising cable is just 2-ended 3.5mm mono jacks end to end. However, I would talk to your local dealer to get the specs.

This is to ensure both speakers raise/lower volume together as there is no powerlink between them or a B&O A or V master controlling. Again, I’d get the specifics from your local dealer

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Hi,

You will need a 3.5mm jack-cable to synchronise the two BL5s together and a Beo4 Remote.

A Beo4 Remote will need to configure (Loudspeaker mode – L.Setup) the IR of the BL5 to accept commands (Vol Up/down and standby).

Depending on your Streamer, you can feed Coax dig out/in directly. If your Stream has its own DAC, it will need to be via the RCA connect. Note input voltage should not exceed 2 VRMS – otherwise it will distort and you will need a good quality attentuator.

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Millemissen wrote:

….. respectively a set of BL 18 with addition of the Almando device (like Mr10% adviced)……. …….you would almost be at the costs of the BS Theatre.

MM, Not sure if I am misunderstanding you here?

I was not suggesting any additional loudspeaker – Balance or BL18s.

It appears to me that the OP has a potential problem with the BV7-40 (which could become a brick at any time). If the Stage does not permit loudspeaker connection and the Theatre is too expensive, the Almando may be the only viable way to keep existing loudspeakers? It may be possible – I dont know how good/bad/indifferent the Almando is, but if it works, the OP can upgrade to Beolabs at any point – either new or legacy?

A LG Panel, with Almando and current Beolabs is by far the most cost-effective solution I would surmise – but with potential integration issues you would not have with the Theatre etc…

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