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There is no problem to use the Lyngdorf with Beolab 5, I did it many years, it is absolutely transforming the sound coming out from the Beolab 5 after running the RoomPerfect setup, it is really night and day. As long as you don’t use the Speakers output, you only use the PREAMP part of the Lyngdorf. I don’t have experience connecting them by line in, possibly you will be able to control the volume with the Lyngdorf and power them on. Give it a try and you will see, don’t forget to set the Lyngdorf not full range and start with volume at -50. But it would really be a pity to not use the full path in digital and use the BL5 internal DAC that is truly excellent. But you will need a Beo4, that’s for sure.

Think I pretty much said that…..

“Do not send an Amplified signal as this will damage the BL5s. IIRC 2V is the max analogue voltage.

If there is a non-DAC coax output or line level it should be OK but please please confir with BnO”

 

 

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I think I would be very careful with the Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 as it is a Streaming DAC Amplifier. External Amplifiers and beolabs are not a good combination. Do not send an Amplified signal as this will damage the BL5s. IIRC 2V is the max analogue voltage.

If there is a non-DAC coax output or line level it should be OK but please please confir with BnO

I use an Auralic Altair G1 streaming DAC with a 2.2vmax RCA output to a pair of BL17s. Works perfectly. The Auralic software controls the volume and has an inbuilt algorithm to attenuate -3db, -6dB and -12dB to give volume sensitivity (I use -6dB)

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I am making a prediction that one of the new products slated over the next 12months will be a Beolink Converter device which will overcome legacy Mozart products which can’t join as a slave Beolab to another Beosound or Beovision

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I can see this loudspeaker killing-off the Balance completely. I think there is also serious consideration for cannibalising the BL28 sales.

What would you rather do – Buy a Theatre and a pair of BL28s or a Theatre, 2 pairs of BL8s with a BL19? Give or take…..same price.

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Normann wrote:

I saw that, but come on! It’s a lot of money!

I have owned BO products for many years now, but now I am afraid they may be opening doors to other companies for me personally now..

I certainly think that they are on the lower end of my price expectation. A simple lookup of say the Beolab3 will show that when introduced, it was £2200 in 2004. In todays 2023 money thats about £4300. So with the cloth fret, plus the extra tech you get in there….I would say its pretty competitive?

Where I think B&O go too far with the BL8…..is justifying a £1k premium for the wooden frets. I would also imagine the mounting options will quite expensive add-ons too?

 

 

 

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No, as I hear it……..the BS Balance cannot simply converted to a Beolab. To me it sounds as simple to do as plugging in. 3.5mm Jackplug for earphones. However, it’s beyond B&O at this time.

There is also the question over Wi-Fi, WISA and Bluetooth. They are not all compatible together and antennas have to be minimum distance apart. I think WISA is the problem?

All this is my speculation but I would not be surprised if an adapter-product is finally developed to link all these Beosound loudspeakers together for solid stereo or surround pairing. They really need to.

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I think a lot of the team were on break over the summer months. I received an update today on beta so I think they will start build up momentum once again

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Some say a BL3 replacement, some say BL17 replacement, some even say a mini BL28 form-factor.

I would not be shocked at a £5-8k price point and that it’s actually a Powerlink Beosound (I.e big brother to the Balance).

For me, adoption will be based on form-factor. Something very compact and easy to hide high-up on a wall or ceiling. Something as complicated design-wise as a Balance or BL28 won’t work for me.

Expect it comes to market between now and the end of October. Next week is also CEDIA….we could be lucky but it seems too near to the Ferrari SE launch for me to think it definite?

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Answer is no. No consumer way to access the Theatre. If you had remote access to your home router, the ip access has no control. The only access to “settings” of the Theatre is via your account in the BeoApp. The BR1 can control some settings for viewing only as far as I am aware.

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As indicated previously, use the BL9 cables and swap over so you don’t have a splitter. If you can add the BL3s then it’s the splitter.

I have not ever added a BnO sub…so I wonder if that can be selected as a sub in the setup, and you split-off the BL3s from the sub? It might not be great for placement but it helps identify where the trouble is

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Then adding your speakers to the Speaker Connections routine do you get this….

I’ve added a BL3 but it’s showing a blank grey square (for some buggy reason). I can add another BL3 below it. Do the same with the bl9s and figure out the bl2 later

See if the theatre auto detects and it will ask you to identify L and R speakers

Other than that, I’m running out of ideas from my keyboard and blind to the subject matter.

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The RJ45 Splitter. I assume this is OEM B&O part? I tried cheap once with an Ethernet splitter…and they dont work.

Recheck the L/R switching. It may also be worth test the Line-in selection.

Recheck that everything is locked in

May be worth trying to disconnect the BL9s and use their cables to ascertain the Theatre/BL3s can be seen on separate lines?

Try connecting the the BL3 surrounds without the BL2 (I assume this is what you are doing). The daisy-chaining of the Lab2 can come later.

For the record, I had plenty of fun getting over what you are going through right now. It just needs some methodical approach to figure-out what is causing the problem (Splitter box, cables, switching) and then it comes all right.

Hope this helps?

 

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Hi Tim,

Thanks for sharing. I agree too with your point on B&O Marketing.

I think another aspect to consider – and it goes to your Birkin Bag is what a lot of us BeoEnthusiasts get drawn into is the slick aluminium, wood and glass of B&O. In a way its quite manly and my wife comments often on this (she “accepts” my brown leather sofas, modern sculptures, Walnut sleek sideboards etc…but only thru our history together).

However, to the chagrin of many BeoWorlders, my view is the Marketing and Design Dept should be looking to enhance room interiors more with their products by getting the WAF right. Get the WAF right and you get far more sales.  Make it seem poor value or too masculine/complicated in terms of interior design/or technical setup (App/software glitches) …..you lose the sale.

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I wish B&o all the best but in my opinion this is the wrong way. They should keep in mind they are not targeting the top 1% of people. Their new target group is the top 0,001% of people and even those only need a tv and speakers from time to time and they are way less attracted to the newest tech than the top 1%.

And that is the most glaring problem I see with B&Os strategy and new demographic. There are two major issues I see……..one is that sales will collapse in the interim as Dealers close due to lack of sales and “affordable” top end products wither away, the Company will be just another Bluetooth gadget and headphone supplier on Amazon and second, when one looks at the net worth and disposable income in the top 5%, 2%, 1%, those numbers and those numbers of who give a damn on high end AV and of those who give a damn of that AV being B&O is going to be very small.

I think this is going to be a classic case of Corporate self-immolation which could only be eclipsed by the likes of Gerald Ratner of “Ratners Jewellers” fame. (A CEO of a big low end jewellery chain who called his own products “a load of cr@p”)

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Just reading your post a bit deeper, I don’t know what input VRMS settings you can select on the BL50s? On the BL90s you can select 2.0v, 4.0v and 6.5v IIRC. So i guess the BL90 can do a bit of signal attenuation? 50s may also have a similar function?

However, it may be relevant to know the receiver output VRMS? If it’s low……..say 1vrms, that may be the reason why you have to crank the BL50 volume up? So it may be worth looking up what the matching values are and adjust to similar values if you can?

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Ok, my experiences doing similar.

1. What I stated earlier remains so…..the BeoApp should control startup volume and max volume.

2. I can operate my 3rd party DAC either as fixed volume (control the BL90 with the Halo), or I can control by the 3rd party DAC app which leads to two volume controls overlaying one another. So I stick with correct max 4Vrms input and fixed DAC volume.

3. In your case, you need to either fix the 3rd party volume or fix the Beolab 50 volume as per point 1 above?

4. Forgot to add…you may be able to fudge a listening position for playback via your reciever…..edit the “listening position” by loweing the db output…..but I’m not sure how well that would work?

Does that help any?

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From a recently deleted post, it is clear there will be a new loudspeaker, a few other “personal”/beoplay-type products etc..

There is no forecast of a cheaper Theatre and with the Cradle to Cradle philosophy, that might be it, save for a couple of plug-in modules etc.

It has also been cited that there will be no standalone beolabs – all (for the foreseeable) future beolabs will have Mozart and inbuilt Beosounds. It’s a shame as I think an ultra-compact non-intrusive satellite speaker for the Atmos Theatre is what B&O need and not a living room filled with Beolab 28 and that the role for even more compact speakers like the Balance is well covered already.

So sadly, I hate to say it but my feeling says many will be disappointed for at least 12 months or so?

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Apologies for my interjection before GM.

What you describe was a common bug early in the BL90 life-cycle…say 2 to 3 years ago IIRC, where the App used to jump the BL90 volume straight to 100%. (90). There was a specific update (along with a more robust input selection). Since that feature was addressed, the volume starts up at a preselected maximum, you can control the max volume (up to 90) and the input switching works as good as you could expect (a notable problem was switching the BL90 with the Auralic via XLR but unless you waited 60seconds for it to time out and standby, the BV Eclipse powerlink would get very confused and no tv sound would play). All that has been worked out thankfully.

It may be presumptuous but have you checked the maximum startup volume and maximum volume in the BeoApp. Additionally, maybe your BL50s are stuck on an old FW version? A possible remediation May be to do a full factory reset, update and reconfigure?

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Xavieritzmann,

I think SandyB has a very good grip on the direction of B&O’s marketing direction having listened (Im told) to numerous investor podcasts and has scoured B&Os financial results with an eye more detailed than a tax man looking for his next victim to suck the life-blood out of.

The message appears clear………Doubling of Margin, reduction of range and units sold and focussing on the VHNWI’s for the big-boys toys (gold-plated Bl90s etc) and I guess what you would call the “aspirational Bluetooth/portable/flexible” offerings for the rest of us.

This will be accompanied by reduced store count, focussing towards flagship boutiques and online sales.  I think the recent 30% price increase is the first real shot of attempting that strategy?

As a footnote, on the 1st September, the BL90s will have exactly doubled in price since their introduction in March 2016. Additionally, the base Theatre soundbar (with out all the add-ons required to make it a Beovision) will be priced at £7990 within the next two days – representing ~40% increase over the price I paid in October last year

I’m sure SandyB will come correct me on the detail but that I would say that there are not going to be many people who are prepared to keep supporting that rate of increase on an ongoing basis unless they are in the higher net worth demographic?

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