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I have an original BS1 Gold Special Edition – the 1st 1000 units. (Somewhere).

In the day, it was great but compared to latter-day “Beoplay”, I don’t think they compare that well?

I’m doing some cruising on eBay at the moment looking for some useful bits here and there but the original BL8000 and BL6000 on there are looking great value at the moment.

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beojeff wrote:

My Theatre was expected to arrive today, but my dealer has told me that there is now a 2-3 week delay. I went ahead and bought an LG C2 77″ so that I won’t face frustration with the Beoremote One control. It looks like they’ll both be arriving at about the same time. I’ll be moving my Samsung 75″ 4K screen and Beosystem 4 to the den to replace my Beovision 4-42. I love the brushed aluminum frame on that Beovision 4, but it’s time to make the upgrade from 720p to 4K.

 

Mine was due next week but told today it’s delayed 10-14 days due to transport problems. Find this BS actually, unless they are using French truckers and fuel is in short supply.

As Marcellus put it succinctly to Horatio……Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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I don’t think it matters what was done, mule deck (of any kind) or original. Some people paid £10k for a product called the BC4000c.

Someone offering up a poor quality eBay BC4000 for refurb, spending £5k to have B&O sort it won’t ever happen. B&O will lose credibility.

However, it may be they can accept someone sending a wreaked eBay BC4002 for refurb and it leaving the factory as a well sorted, modernised BC4002.

that was my original point and it has little to do with deck variations and original design quality. It’s all about releasing a limited run product with a name (bc4000c)

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Probably to protect the asset value of those 50 people who paid £10k for the first/only batch of BC4000C’s

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Just in case you dont have…..

https://assets.ctfassets.net/8cd2csgvqd3m/5zhqH3If97uRPNRfps4ZTv/8837adba23bd33b7304353b628fd527e/User_Guide_Beoremote_One.pdf

There are 3 BR1 user guides…. .1605….1405 and the netfix/Amazon version based on the BR1 button layout

 

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Hi,

As indicated, I can only give you the Eclipse menu system and assume the Horizon is similar.

Try Home button >> Settings >> Sound & Beolink >> Sources  or something similar

 

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OK, I’ll assume the Horizon has the same menu system as the Eclipse.

In Sources, go into each BV listed Source. One by one.

In each one, at the bottom of the specific source, you can assign the Source to “TV-List”, “Music-List” or “None”.

Hopefully, this answers what you require – or at least points you in the right direction?

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Hi,

There are many rabbit-holes with BR1. First….what TV are you using? I can only compare to eclipse but assume the workflow is the same in any BT-controlled TV?

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I believe the BSE was a good system….especially with the Essence remote control. The BSE would dial-in my DNLA music server and the interweb for Radio.

Where the BSE is somewhat dated is in certain aspects of the BeoApp. Integrated round the house music was a plus but the lack of provision for searching and layout of music (by Album art).

For your application, it appears you do have an adequate setup and it seems to work effectively for you. The BL17s are no slouches and a B&O sub (BL11 or 19 – BL2 may be too slow) will integrate easily and crossover effortlessly. I would have to see the 3rd party sub to work-out how well that can be integrated.

 

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Just what I needed, thank you very much.

I have seen this and the floor stand assembly video before but could not see the link anywhere.

thanks again

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I went to see the Theatre in a store yesterday. The intent is to replace an Eclipse 65 Gen1 and hopefully have something that can “keep-up” with screen development. Having spent an hour and a half being demonstrated to me I would bullet point the following from my perspective.

1. The sonic capabilities for visual playback are impressive. I think this BS/BL can be used as standalone without much complaint.
2. It will be interesting to hear how this unit will hand-off and compliment my BL90s. I think it will take substantial load off them for visual material. Definitely not anywhere as “good” as the 90s but can see the argument that BL28s not required upfront as valid.
3. I did not hear a room calibrated Theatre as the Dealer had basically butchered a Gen3 65 Eclipse to demonstrate the Theatre. Out of the box is good.
4. I was blown away by the LG C2/G2 screen clarity. A lifetime away from the Eclipse Gen1 screen.
5. Still dont like the LG menu setup. B&O need to get a grip here and have their APP completely skin-over the LG interface.
6. The whole setup of the Theatre is done via the APP. I was told that the BL50/90 keep their own calibrations but the Theatre “manages” the DSP for visual playback. Music playback is not changed and relies on the  BL90/50 calibration.
7. I dont like the motorised floor stand – either design, price or functionality. It assists in consuming too much space for the TV.
8. I dont like the oak lamella frets.
9. The shape and material quality of the Theatre is very good.
10. I made it clear I though B&O were taking a joke on the cost of add-ons. A motorised stand which is +£1300 more than the Eclipse stand, price of the wings and VESA mount etc….
11. Also made it clear that B&O have to stop making products with specialist parts that have limited life (BS5 Encore power, Moment screens, Gen1 Eclipse Screens etc..). Its a big haircut to have a product binned and to repurchase. This has been heard loud an clear apparently.

Im sure however, this is a good solution for people with Gen1 Eclipse’s and they will sell many of them.

Expecting to order mine today.

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This is an interesting question. Im going to have a look soon at a Theatre to see if it is worth it. I dont like the stand options and I am still “burnt” from the uselessness of the Eclipse

1. Specialised LG Panel which no longer available
2. The LG Interface and operating parameters rather than pure B&O which could be more of the same.
3. The Soundbar of the Eclipse cannot keep up with the BL90s. Better to mute the Soundbar and use BL90 phantom. Works much much better. Will Theatre keep up?

The marketing seems to suggest yes and seems to indicate it has a DSP which can maximise desirable sound dispersion. The question would have more to do with distance/direction and quality of the front loudspeaker vs the Theatre. I think a pair of BL90’s as fronts and 1.5-2m apart from either side of the Theatre should (according to marketing) interact better than say Bl4000/BL17/BL3, 0.5m apart from a Theatre.

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(EDIT: Moved from theatre thread to avoid thread drift!)

355F,

I have had similar problems with an Eclipse Mk1. Under warranty, I had the internal HDMI cable replaced (the one in the impossible space between the screen and the sound bar. This seemed to work for awhile but soon started back up again to the disappointment of the Dealer.

I don’t know your circumstances, and what is connected to the BV, but by accident, I believe I found a cause. Our habit of traditional BVs and BSounds is to play say TV, then to flick to say CD or Video. The BV takes care of all the standby routines so only one source is active.

With LG app, music player can stay on all the time and I think this overworks the internal LAN receiver and causes a brief disconnect. The manifest is reduced BT control (both The BV and remote options) and a hard reboot, unplugging for 3 minutes etc is the only way it goes away for a while.

I have used the curser control to ensure the blue X is presses off in the LG music player app if ever used. (Because with LG, a number of sources can run concurrently). This seems to have eliminated the problem. I think this is an LG/B&O compatibility problem and something B&O should have sorted but it seems difficult to replicate somehow.

see if this helps?

 

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There appears to be a multitude of holes in the VESA mounting plate to use. Once you select the holes and fasten, the cardboard template shows the precise location the base of the TV must be in relation to the VESA bracket.

This leaves an overlap of 9.5mm between the two and the exact clearance for the TV not to contact the Theatre when all are combined together. There are then indications of some spacing keys to enable you to fined-tune the separation.

That is how I interpret the video

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I’m sure there are experts that know a lot more than me. I’m only a Punter who asked the same questions a few years ago for the same reasons.

Basically, as I see it, nobody really gives a rats a55. A few 70’s and 80’s parts that only a few desire or care about.

I had a service on a BG8002. The reputedly good repairer stated the processor was irreparable. Some time later, I was told by another expert (here on this forum) that was  unlikely to be the case. I found another Beo repairer in the UK and he did a grand job.

However, on inspection, he identified a plastic part on the tangential tracking which was broken (as well as all the caps etc…). There is a rumour that some repairers “swap” non-electronic parts…..good for bad…..and therefore unrepairable but that is another story.

We both investigated 3D printing but it’s was looking to be unrealistic in terms of numbers, time, modelling etc…..and possibly also from a mechanical strength perspective.

I was lucky in sourcing the broken part from a Spanish breaker shop and my Repairer (2) got it all working to perfection in the end.

However, I think the story will remain the same. Parts will be stripped from Beograms to maintain fewer and fewer Beograms

My 2 cents

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Im sure it is more complicated than this…..but what drives me nuts on the Eclipse (Gen1) is the LG interface, with the Beolink control of sound etc…..it is total cr@p and very un-B&O.

Therefore, the error with all B&O TVs and Soundbars is the lack of video engine and tuner. I thinking if they had done this, the monitor part would have been irrelevant and B&O would have full control and upgradability rather than have a product which is totally subservient to the 3rd party monitor.

The BS Theatre continues this approach as far as I can see with limited screen compatibilities.  I wonder if the BS Theatre will work on an LG 65 G3 or G4? I’d wager it could have difficulties.

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Well found. Thank you

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A quick question…..

has anyone see sight on how to mount the BSTheatre to the floor stand? There are no instructions online yet it appears.

STB have a traditional stand….but their prices are almost as silly as B&Os.

Im thinking of using an old stand in any future purchase decision.

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Hi,

IIRC, (50:50) the BV10 has only an SPDif Input. No audio digital ouptput. Thus, the BL5s can only be fed via powerlink.

If you are using the BV10 as a Master and have say a BeoSound5 in the setup via Masterlink, then you can connect the BS5 SPdif output to the BL5. However, you will still need to connect the powerlink from the BV10 to BS5 for volume control.

I was never convinced, but you can also continue the SPDif/Coax out of the BL5 to the BV10 SPDif input in a closed loop. This in theory should give optimal sound from the BS5/BV10 if you choose (for any bizarre reason) through the centre channel.

As above. 50:50. You may want to ask a friend for an alternative answer.

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Hi,

I think you are in a territory not many Beoworlder have wide experience of. i.e the combination non-B&O TV with current SOTA actives loudspeakers, and passives with separate amplification.

Some of my points…

1. Subwoofer. Can add this later. If you are pre-wiring in a build, wire in for a sub.

2. We suspect that B&O will release a new sound bar in September. It is suspected that it may be a Beovision Eclipse sound bar of sorts with pluggable external loudspeakers and 5.1 processing. If true, this would simplify your whole home theatre approach…..

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