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GOLD MemberGreat post Christian ?
This imo belongs to the sticked thread Beosound Theatre – Knowledge Base in order not to get hidden as time (and posts) goes by.
MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark18 March 2024 at 20:31 in reply to: B&O releases preliminary Q3 numbers and adjusts revenue outlook……… #53615I know they are ok with transitioning to a “leaner” model, but selling less and less at higher and higher prices is awfully risky.
I could add….to less and less people.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkThat was quick!
Beoworld is back again, thank you.MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark@severed_hand The Marantz can’t multi-room with my Beosound in the adjoining bathroom. It also doesn’t work just like all the other beosounds with which my wife has finally become comfortable. I listened to TV through stereo speakers for many years. I don’t understand the pushback. I’m not doing critical listening. It’s mostly background noise, but with better bass, treble and midrange than the weak built in speakers. If stereo is so odd, why do most tvs have 2 speakers?
Another point is that you can not control the Marantz with a Beoremote One.
The reason why most tv’s have two speakers, is that it is the easiest (and cheapest) way to do sound.
For decades tv programmes were 2 channel aka stereo natively, so there was no real need for audio processing for more channels.Since those two speakers are located in the tv/with the screen, what we call a phantom center is mostly also heard coming from there.
The further away from the screen/the picture the external speakers are, the more this shifting of the phantom center can be disturbing…..especially for those who sit off axis.For many years all B&O tv’s have had an option for creating a center channel, if you had connected external L/R speakers there also.
In the 90’s, when I had a BV6000, there was an option for creating a socalled ‘center balance’. This was before they started processing the sound in a modern sense.
Later – when the first Avant (the CTR tv) came, there was a ‘surround decoder’ built in, which made the two builtin speakers a center channel, if you had external speakers connected.For the BV7 there was even a dedicated center channel speaker option (the BL7-4/BL10) – these BV’s had a surround decoder.
The new Avant had a 3 channel speaker system built in and in addition a multichannel processor for more speakers.
So does the Eclipse and the Harmony – also the Stage and the Theatre do have multiple speakers built in….the center being relatively powerfull.From this point of view just having a set of L/R speakers with a tv is a retreat from what B&O untill now has offered as their ‘normal’ way of listening to audio from video sources.
Nowadays a lot of video material is multichannel (5.1 and more), which means that this has to be downmixed for the Beoconnect Core, which potentially will make the dialog less audible.
Something that you would not experience with a genuine 3-channel speaker setup.
There you have a wider seperation of left/right and a much more defined center.
That two speakers isn’t sufficient is also the reason for the popularity of soundbars nowadays.Of course you may have become used to/get used to two channel tv sound, but it is far from optimal in most cases.
And it should not be praised so in the PR announcements for the BeoConnect Core:
Quote: “Simply plug in your screen and marvel as your B&O speakers transform movie nights into cinematic experiences”.
But, of course they want to sell speakers!If you primarily use the box for 2 channel audio/stereo music, the box is fine – however, so was the Core and the Essence box.
Whether this box is better, only a test/daily use will tell.
For Shape users the COM port seems to be an improvement – also the USB-out could be beneficial for BL90/50 users.
For users with primarily Mozart based products the new Core may be the better choice.If sound is just ‘background noice’, all this does not matter, of course ?
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkI ordered one yesterday. Looks like just what I have been wanting to use with my 1s. For what it is designed to be, it is perfect for what I want it for. Does everything an Essence or Core would but has the newer Mozart sound adjustments just as my 28s and Theatre have. And, minimal price increase over the Core and better design if I want to leave it out in the open.
It may be reasonable to choose the BeoConnect Core over the Core/Essence MK2, if you otherweise have a Mozart-based setup.
Looking forward to your experiences.
Do you plan to use the HDMI/eARC in some way?MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkBack in the days I often used the 8Player Pro app on the iPad and then choosing the device I wanted for playback respectively using Airplay from the app.
Now – although admittedly not very often – I just use the built-in function in the B&O app.
I find it quite snappy (has become much better) – only thing missing is a search function.In order to have a proper DLNA playback you need a good server which runs on a NAS. Your Fritzbox NAS solution can be used, however that is pretty limited.
If you really want to use local files primarily, you might think of a Roon solution – that is what most people with large local collections use.
Roon has many benefits (like integration of music services) however, it is not a cheap solution.You could try out a small modern NAS (Synology or alike), load your files onto it and let the media server there (you can install different servers) organize your files.
I totally agree – the easiest, best solution for controlling is to have a dedicated iPad at your listening position!
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkI’m wondering if the mozart platform can now “borrow” sources from other devices, like the previous ASL platform can? I use this to access my turntable (connected to a BS core) and BS9000 cd player (NL/ML converter) from other rooms without having to Join. Last time I checked it couldn’t.
No, that has still not happened….I wonder if it is even coming?
That is a ‘feature’, that makes me keep my ASE products as long as I can.With the BS Theatre there was no choice – so I have gotten used to start the CD in my CD 6500/Converter and hit Join on the remote there.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkThe Qobuz app supports both Airplay and Chromecast.
You can use either to send music from your phone (depending on the phone) to the A9.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkZwei BL6002 vorne und zwei BL6000 hinten plus zwei BL11 (auch hinten)….und BS Theatre.
Die 6000’er sind schön unauffällig in unserem relativ kleinem Wohnzimmer.
Mit den Subs und BS Theatre leisten die sehr gute Dienste für Musik und Filme.
Ich habe sie seit vielen Jahren mit unterschiedlichen BV’s, ganz früher nur zwei 6000’er.
Mit der BS Theatre sind sie am besten!Ich denke bei denen mehr an das ‘Gesamt-Setup’ als an nur BL6000/2.
Es gibt gewiss Räume und Setups, wo die nicht ausreichen, aber ich liebe sie hier bei uns.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkSure no – it was just a general statement.
I guess you’d ask for an advice, if you’d need one ?
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkI suspect that the tv’s internal speaker could be used for the center channel. Such a speaker could hardly keep up with the quality of beolabs, though.
This will not be possible and even if, a really bad idea soundwise.
These internal speakers would still be a set of L/R speakers and there would be no option to adjust for level matching or for setting up speakers distance etc.Personally – if I would need a non-B&O tv for the kitchen – I’d still go for a Stage, despite it being a bit older now and not a Mozart platform device.
IMO, if you go for a 2 channel setup for a tv, you should place the speakers on either side very close to the screen in order to maximize the illusion of a phantom center.
How about a set of the BL12’s ?if you use a tv as a computer monitor, you can get away with a 2 channel setup, since you probably are the only person and you are sitting right in front of the screen.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkI do think that B&O is going a little overboard in hyping it as a solution for a home theater. It’s certainly no Beosound Theatre. Still, the added HDMI connectivity is a nice feature for the slight price increase. For me, I could see it as a solution for a non-B&O small tv that I have in the kitchen. I currently have it connected to a Beosystem 3 for connection to 2 Beolab 4000 speakers and an Apple TV. That’s then connected to an NL/ML converter to integrate with the rest of my B&O. This small box could replace all of that and allow control via CEC of an Apple TV connected directly to the non-B&O tv. It has its place for a simple setup solution.
As you might have noticed, I am an advocate for a center channel with a tv.
Having only L and R speakers corrupts the sound image, when you are off axis….when you are more people than ‘the one guy without friends’ sitting in the money seat.
If I were to use it with a tv, I would get the BL7.x, which would be more suitable with a screen (and also is a good speaker for music in a kitchen).The ability to use the BROne for controlling the tv/AppleTV (CEC) still has to be proven!
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkBut what disappoints me the most… No optical or aux output whatsoever.
It has USB Audio out….which is digital.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkMy Beoplay A8 – upcycled – setup is somewhat simpler.
I use the PL-out of an Essence MK2 to the R/L line-in on the A8.
The line-in has autosense, which means that the A8 is activated, when starting playback on the Essence – both go into standby after a while of not being used.The Essence is controlled by a BROne or by the B&O app.
The A8 has a fixed startup level and the volume is controlled via the Essence.
The A8 is basicly ‘just’ a set of speakers.The big advantage is that the setup this way is part of my B&O Link setup in the house.
MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkOh no!
A (Mozart) Core with a HDMI/eARC connection.
With only 2 channels support ?
Where did the most important speaker for tv viewing – the center – go?
Not that I expected TrueImage processing built-in – but this really is too ordinary.And the CEC support – will that bring control of the tv/the connected AppleTV….
….as Mbee asks?
Or is the future two remotes on the table?
Only a visit in a B&O store can clarify that…I guess.P.S.
I’ll stick to my trusted Essence MK2 boxes for 2 channel music/radio listening and my Theatre for tv/movie watching with great multichannel sound.MM
Location: Flensborg————DanmarkThe volume gain for individual sources is accessible under “… / Sources / Source Behaviour /”.
The select a source, scroll down the resulting page and there is a Volume Gain setting.
I’ve tried it, and it’s not obviously making much difference (I’ve set gain to +4 for one specific source so far).
Thanks Sandyb
Got it now!
MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark3.4.1(8) update for my Theatre today – the regular update.
Can’t say much yet – had to restart my AppleTV (unplug/replug) to have it activated as I started watching this evening.
I guess the ‘individual start up volume for sources’ thing is only relevant, if you use the app of the LG-tv (which I do not do), or?
By the way, I do not see where this should be handled in the app.MM
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