[Madskp]

Also worth noting is that the BC9500 has both a phono and a tape2 connection where the BC9300 use the same connection for both of these commands

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[Madskp]

Take a look at his thread that seem to have a lot of info regarding differences between the two

https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/31120.aspx

I have a BC9300 and am very satisfied with it. Might miss the 2 way though as I acquired a Beolink 7000

Link capabilities are the same (MCL and datalink) so should make no difference compared to your BC8500

Some of the BC9300 has the newer linear CD mechanism which might be more prone to laser failure than the older types.

 

 

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[Madskp]

Actually never tried to get a source from NL to ML, only the other way. If I find the time I might try how it workswith a source from my Beoplay V1 TV to some ML equipment

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Just noticed  that you mentioned IR mapping settings. Have you tried the sources mapped to ML in the NL/ML converter settings?

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Oh and just remebered that the direct control from the Beocenter buttons also require the BV7 to be Video master, so willnot work with my suggestion to put the BV7 in v.opt 6

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

“Thanks for the suggestion, but alas, it didn\u0027t work.\u00a0 The results were the same.\n\n\u00a0\n\nI also tried removing everything else out of the network – just the BV7 and the BC8500 connected together (via the 1611), and found something unexpected – if I select a source on the BC8500 panel, the speakers don\u0027t power on.\u00a0 They\u0027ll only power on if I select a source on the remote.\n\nI assume this is a limitation of the 1611, and that won\u0027t work for me, so I\u0027ll go back to using the BS4 in that room, I think.”

The direct control from the BC8500 buttons will only work if you also connect a powerlink cable between the 1611 and the BC8500.

That however does not explain the other issue

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CharlieWednesday wrote:

“Today I attempted my experiment using both a 1611 converter and an NL\/ML converter in the same system.\u00a0 It didn\u0027t work.\n\nThe 1611 is doing its job – my speakers are connected to my BV7 TV and if I select Phono (or N.Radio) as a source, my BG8500 starts up and I hear it, and I can control it by remote.\u00a0 Therefore the 1611 is doing its job – taking the A.Aux link from my Beocenter 8500 and bringing it into my ML network.\u00a0 And yes – I did ensure everything else was already connected before I powered the 1611!\n\nHowever, I cannot get sources to play from my Essence Mk2.\u00a0 I have tried using the NL\/ML converter\u0027s options to make it work but it won\u0027t.\u00a0 For example I have tried mapping source DVD2 (which was unused) to the Essence for N.Radio, but when I press DVD2 on my Beo4, I get nothing.\u00a0 I\u0027ve tried the same with N.Music too – but got nothing.\n\nUsing the B\u0026O app (on Android), if I start to play digital music from my NAS, or B\u0026O radio, it shows as playing in the app, but I get nothing else.\n\nThe NL\/ML converter has a log page and all I am getting is this, when I try to select DVD2 as a source:\n\nMar 16 10:06:02 (none) BLC[1141]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]\nMar 16 10:06:02 (none) BLC[1141]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]\n\nSo, it\u0027s looking like the BL Converters from two generations aren\u0027t going to talk to each other.\u00a0 Shame.\n\nI\u0027ll leave it all wired up for now in case anyone has any questions, solutions or ideas!”

I guess that your BV7 is setup as V.master (opt. 2), and if you have also setup the NL/ML converter as V.master they will conflict.

If you do not need to share the sources from the BV7 you could try to set it up as a link room (v.opt. 6) which can then get the sources from both the Audio master (1611+BC8500) and video master (NL/ML converter).

Hope that is usefull

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Multicare wrote:

“\nMadskp wrote:\nquote the first post in af forum thread\nI am aware of an issue with the quote system, I am currently writing a replacement which should work better that the version currently installed.\nI hope to have it released by the end of next week.”

Great, thanks 😀

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Just noticed a strange issue. For some reason I do not seem to be able to quote the first post in af forum thread.

Just noticed it in the thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/advice-needed-bought-a-new-house-and-want-to-use-bo-speakers-left-behind/#post-64505

But it also seem to be the case in other threads I look at

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Madskp wrote:

CharlieWednesday wrote: I got my BC8500 and BG8500 out of storage this weekend, so was able to carry out one more test: Test 5 – BC8500  > MLL2AV > BL Penta – Partial Pass Connected via PL Mk2 cables so they will transmit the display data, but no display on the Pentas.  Sound was fine, but no display. Thanks or taking the time to test it. I thought for sure that configuration would work with the dispays on the Penta’s.

I did go through all my MCL2 documentation but did not find any mentioning of the speaker display data not being showed with a MCL2AV.

Can I ask if you did have the equipment in the same room when testing and if so if the  BC8500 was in option 0? Reason for asking this is that the soundpath will work even if there is a problem with the data connection between the BC8500 and MCL2AV, and both units would be activated by your remote presses thus giving the impression that it works as intended

 

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[Madskp]

A couple of hopefully useful hints/clarifying questions from here

• A Beolink Passive amp is not needed for the speakers you have mentioned as these are active speakers
• You do mention that the Beolab 3500 shows the clock. Is that before or after you connect the Beosound 3000? The reason for asking this is that the clock is supplied from the main system and I wonder if there are any hidden components that you might not be aware of.
• The Beolab 3500 is a link speaker and can not be activated directly from the Beosound 3000. You do need a Beolink 1000 or Beo4 remote to active the Beolab 3500. However if you already have a source started locally on the Beosound 3000 you should be able to join that by pressing the mute button on the Beolab 3500
• Is there an IR eye in the room with the Beolab 4000’s? It is most likely a round silver metal puck with some black plastic buttons on https://beostaeren.dk/cdn/shop/products/B_O_IR_eyes_740x.jpg?v=1578725603 If there is this is most likely setup as a link room and the same control issues as mentioned for the Beolab 3500 applies here.

So like Millemissen mention, get a B&O remote control if you do not already have that will probably be the best advice for starters.

Hope this helps

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I got my BC8500 and BG8500 out of storage this weekend, so was able to carry out one more test: Test 5 – BC8500  > MLL2AV > BL Penta – Partial Pass Connected via PL Mk2 cables so they will transmit the display data, but no display on the Pentas.  Sound was fine, but no display.

Thanks or taking the time to test it. I thought for sure that configuration would work with the dispays on the Penta’s.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I know that the BC8500 will want to go to Phono while the Essence will want to go to N.Radio in response to the PH remote command, but I should be able to get around that using the IR Mapping capability of the NL/ML converter.

Yes probably you can make some workaround, maybe an unused video source can be used. However I am unsure how it will work with the BV7. Probably ok if that video source is not setup to a connection on the BV7

 

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Thanks for updating on this Guy.

Based on that I will leave the info in the first post as is for now then

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Guy wrote:

I have had to pack the equipment away again today, but in the two weeks that the Essence Mk2 has been set up, the standard, fully-wired RJ45 to PL cable worked perfectly to turn the Passive on and off at the appropriate times.  There is a delay after using Bluetooth, but this is expected because the Essence waits a while (by design) to send the power-off signal over the PL socket.  At random times (pre- and post- shutdown) I checked the voltages at RJ45 pins 4&5 and they were identical. For the last week or so I added my Beoplay M3 to the mix to see if additional NL devices had any effect, but there was no change to behaviour.   I didn’t add the NL/ML Converter (or any ML devices) to the test, so that is one thing that could potentially affect the Essence/PL behaviour, but I doubt it would make any difference.

Thanks for coming back on this. I think I will leave the info in the first post as is then for now

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Guy wrote:

I have had to pack the equipment away again today, but in the two weeks that the Essence Mk2 has been set up, the standard, fully-wired RJ45 to PL cable worked perfectly to turn the Passive on and off at the appropriate times.  There is a delay after using Bluetooth, but this is expected because the Essence waits a while (by design) to send the power-off signal over the PL socket.  At random times (pre- and post- shutdown) I checked the voltages at RJ45 pins 4&5 and they were identical.

Thanks for coming back on this. I think I will leave the info in the first post as is then for know.

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[Madskp]

I would just like to share another option that is more simple but does not have the same possibilities as the NL/ML route.

If the Beosound 9000 has a new enough software you could set it up as a link room thus being able to play the content from the Beosystem 6500 on the Beosound 9000 with Link + source commands. You will however no be able so share the sources from the Beosound 9000 this way

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Have just been finishing up refoaming a set of C75ish speakers. A project that was started some years ago, but then other projects came in front of it.

The reason for calling them C75ish is that my father put them together from parts he was give by colleagues on B&O and/or had lying around. That is also the reason they do not have any markings on either the front or the back. , And that is the reason why I ordered parts for CX100 crossovers at first when I recapped them, but realised that something was wrong and had to order the right one afterwards 😔 you live and you learn.

I just realise now that the tweeter in one of them is indeed not the original one and is butchered in in an unofficial way. I may have to order a new one.

But I may also keep them this way as they got nostalgic value. They was the speakers for the music system in our living room in my childhood home and have been beaten to the max by me and big brother when my parents was not at home 😃

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speedsixdave wrote:

Can I ask another Masterlink question I’ve never quite understood? Greedy man that I am, I’d quite like a Beosound 9000 one day in addition to the Beosystem 6500. Is it possible to have two audio masters in different rooms on the same Masterlink setup? All the manuals I’ve seen talk about an audio master and a video master in one Masterlink system but I’m not bothered about having a connected TV anywhere. Ideally I’d like to be able to play records from the Beogram 6500 either through the BM6500 in the living room or the future BS9000 in the kitchen diner, or CDs from the BS9000 through the BM6500. Even better would be to access any of the sources connected to either master from any connected room

Hello again, and yes follow up questions are very welcome.

You are right in that the Masterlink systems is based on having one Audio Master and one Video Master which can server their sources to link rooms. This also limit that there can only be one of each source eg. only one CD source.

If you wan’t the sources to be acesible to both systems from bot systems and in your link rooms there is a workaround. However it will require some more equipment.

What you can do is divide the systems in to separate Masterlink networks and use NL/ML converters to connect the ML networks through your home network. In the NL/ML converter you can specify which sources can be passed through and give them other source names. for example can the CD on the BS9000 be accesed with the DVD command from the Beomaster 6500. Only requrement is that the “replacement” source is not in use already for example i you have a B&O TV in that room.

For the link rooms to be able to acces both systems they also have to be on a separate ML network so a NL/ML converter is also required for those, and if you keep your MCL rooms also a ML/MCL converter.

It can sound like a lot of equipment, but note that the NL/ML converters can also be used as link rooms with a IR eye and a set of active speakers connected, so if placed strategicly they could maybe replace some older equipment.

To hopefully make more sense of this take a look at this post where user Tignum has a drawing of his system with several NL/ML converters https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/possible-to-use-two-ml-nl-converters-instead-of-ml-cable/#post-62861

Other members has also done something similar so there should be help enough on the forum for this.

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You can use both the MCL2 system and the converter with the 6500 at the same time without that beeing an issue.

No need for the ML/MCL converter which is intended for system without built in amplifier/MCL capabilities

Regarding the Beolink Wireless 1 will not advise using that if you can avoid it. Many bad stories about it here on the archived forums. It operates on the 2,4Ghz band like Wifi, Bluetooth, babyalarms, doorbels and microwave ovens so all sorts of inteference possibilities. Also it is no possible to change the channel it uses without the B&O servicetool which is only available for dealers.

Also the first software version only allowed for use of powerlink in the receiving end which will not work with the Beolab 2000. As software is also only dealer upgradeable it can be hit and miss to get the right software version of the Beolink Wireless units

Hope this helps

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Guy wrote:

I am leaving the Essence/Passive set up for a few days to see if I experience any longer term problems using a fully wired RJ45 to PL lead.

Great, then we can see if the long term issue that Steve mentioned in that other thread do apply in your case

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