[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

I think I Have SW1.0 in one that I had not had luck connecting to anything

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Sidenote: the LCS9000 is used with option 2, only other option settable was 4 but no sound, no reaction on opt 5 and 6

I think when I original was testing my BL3500 with SW1.0 I tried to set it to option 6, but as you noted it will only output sound in option 2 when connected via MCL. So setting it to option 2, and now it is playing fine, so thank you for mentioning this 🙂

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

On that page, they give two prices for each, the second one being higher, but Google Translate is failing to translate that bit.  Don’t suppose you happen to know what the higher price is for?

The higher price is including mounting

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I have considered that option in fact and they do come up at a decent price on eBay sometimes, and they are certainly very mice to look at.  I would probably go for a 3000 or 3200, without the tape deck.

The 3000 and 3200 does not have datalink, so no control of Beogram. BC2300 could be an option if you do not want the tapedeck, but i does not have Masterlink built in so you will need the 1611 converter to connect it to Masterlink

CharlieWednesday wrote:

My understanding is that the various models in this range – none of them have a built-in phono stage, am I right?

Correct, none of the models have built in RIAA

[Madskp]

Just a thought to this with respect for your current choice of the BS4 as the audio master in the system.

The BS Ouverture has both Masterlink and datalink with the ability to control a Beogram in it, so that can be an alternative solution as an audiomaster with teh capability that you want. The Ouverture do however not have DAB and SD card like the BS4.

[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

lol, talk about the virus, just bought another BL3500 mk1 .. (SW1.1 – with tablestand)

Hehe, yeah. I have 5 BL3500’s in my collection now, but the last 2 was part of a LOT where I was going for other stuff.

I think I Have SW1.0 in one that I havd not had luck connecting to anything, and the SW1.2, 2.0 in two other MK1 BL3500. The last two are MK2 with SW3.1 on both

and I am in touch with curious-dreamer to get more details, he mentioned he bought the system from a guy who also supplied the DIN-Minijack cable to him, if we can‘t figure it out we get back to that guy to see if he modded anything

Interesting if anything new arises. Let me know if you need me to test or doublecheck something on one of my BL3500’s

[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Unless you can make some?  Like the home-made ones in this listing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/226262051072 Actually the same seller has those bits on offer (a bit pricey) as a ‘static wall mount’:  https://www.quality-dream-audio.co.uk/stands-furniture-wall-mounts-and-clocks/redline-4560-static-wall-mount.html (The official Redline ‘static wall mount’ was actually a two part bracket, with those bits attaching to a separate piece that was screwed to the wall.)

Yes DIY may be a possible solution. I actually have some furniture bracket that it might be possible to modify.

Guy wrote:

So the piece that you are missing may well be described as a ‘Redline wall bracket’ in any sale listings!

Great to have the right search term. Just hoping that the sellers use the same term 😉

 

[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote:

Can anyone confirm this is correct?

That’s correct – you can see those brackets fitted in this listing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186599725335

Great, thank you 🙂 Then I will just have to see if I can find them at a reasonable price

[Madskp]

If I am not mistaken I might be missing a bracket like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/186461396559?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3Db10fa3817a36410aa94b3387d3b3e8ce%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D186461396559%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2WithMLRV6RankerPricelessTop30Features%26brand%3DBang%2B%2526%2BOlufsen&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3A664442eb1910ac1d39a6dfacfffed426%7Cpageci%3Ade06a5c7-5d7c-11ef-9318-2250449e11a6%7Ciid%3A1%7Cvlpname%3Avlp_homepage to mount the speakers on the stand.

Can anyone confirm this is correct?

Thanks in advance

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I’m guessing therefore that the signals for Beogram CD are the same as those for Beogram, but not the same as those used for TV or Tape – I also tried plugging my BG8500 into both the TV and Tape sockets on the MCL2AV, but then none of the Beo4 buttons (TV, DVD, V.Mem, DTV, or A.Mem) resulted in any response from the turntable

That is correct. Datalink 80 codes for CD and Phono are if not the same at least compatible, whereas those for tape are only for tape. The TV connector use Datalink 86 which is why it can also communicate with the AAL connector on the 1611 converter.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

This has all been very interesting, but it seems there is no solution without compromise.  I only hope boffins somewhere (such as those at Hall Audio) will build something!  Think of all the people with Beosound 4 and 5, and later NL products, who’d like to control their connected Beograms with remote control?  I know I won’t be the only one!

Yes it’s a pity that there is not a good solution for this yet, but hopefully Hall Audio can spot a market for it with their new product line.

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

The label on the back of my MCL2AV is badly damaged but I think it says type 2032. The software version is unreadable, except I can see it ends in 3.

It’s very likely a SW 2.3 then. On the older version of the MCL2AV (type 2020) the AUX socket is called AUX and on the newer models it’s called TV I can see when I looked on some of my different MCL2AV’s. So to sum up yours is one of the newer models.

I have now tried with both a type 2026 (X-tra active speaker kit) and 2031 (X-tra TV kit, Type 2032 is the UK version of this ) and I can set both to option 4 where they will respond to and activate a connected Beogram CD with the use of Link + CD command. So Weird  that yours does not respond to the Link + CD commands.

I think the only reason the MCL handbook not mentions the  X-tra TV kit is because it is dependent of a connected TV’s IR eye, and not all TV models of the time might have had the possibility to set the to option 4.

And now for the possible scenarios. I did some testing with my BC2 to simulate your BS4.

If the BS4 is as master option 1 or 2 it will not respond to Link + CD commands which means that in order to get an input to the AUX connection you will have to first send an AUX command to activate the AUX input of the BS4 and the Link + CD to activate the Beogram.

If you instead as suggested earlier setup the BS 4 as a Link room in option 5 or 6 and connect it via Masterlink to 1611 and the via datalink to MCL2AV in option 2, the you can press Link + CD to activate the Beogram from the BS4. But again you will loose the ability to share the BS4 sources to the BL3500 and BL Passive.

A

 

[Madskp]

Nicholas West wrote:

Hi, does anyone know if the Beosound 4 was sold with a teak finish rather than the black / silver? I’m in Australia and I am looking at one online and could swear it looks like a retro teak enclosure (although pictures are not best quality) thanks in anticipation.

Not that I know of. B&O did not use much wood in their designs in that period.

I would rather belive that someone covered it with a fake wood foil to cover the sticky coating that these Beosounds get over time

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Madskp wrote: I do not remember if the MCL2AV can be set in option 4 so it only responds to Link + commands. I don’t believe it can use option 4 – I tried to set it to option 4 but it made no difference – it does not respond to Link commands.  I found an old MCL manual online and it seems to only have 1, 2, or 0 available.

Actually that makes sense since in the intended use of the MCL2AV where it is connected to a Beomaster/Beocenter with MCL cable a Link + CD command will be sent to the Beomaster down the MCL chain if a local CD player is connected to the MCL2AV.

However the MCL handbook has this example where option 4 can be used with for example X-tra active speaker, which is a kit that contains the MCL2AV and an IR eye, but probably the newer version of the MCL2AV with a newer software version.

If I have time for it I can try to make a test with both the older and the newer MCL2AV in the weekend to see if option 4 works on any of them.

[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

Madskp wrote:

My best suggestion would therefore be to connect the Beogram to the CD socket of the MCL2AV, connect a datalink cable from the Aux socket of the MCL2AV to the 1611 converter and let that work as a main room. Then set the BS4 up as a link room (option 5 or 6) and control the Beogram with Link + CD commands.

I am joining the discussion because I too think that the MCL2AV may be the best solution. But rather than use a 1611 converter, couldn’t you just use the MCL2AV Aux socket to provide a Line-out (DIN pins 1 ad 4) and connect this straight to the BS4 aux inputs? I am not sure if you can then get the BS4 to open the aux input with a phono command, but any subsequent double phono commands (to MCL2AV and BS4) may not be a problem – does that make sense? Maybe this could avoid having to use LINK commands. EDIT: I forgot that N.RADIO = PHONO, so ‘double’ IR commands may be a problem! Might need to use LINK commands after all! EDIT2: I suggested something similar back here, but then suggested taking output from the (volume controlled) MCL2AV Powerlink sockets. My older post does however remind me that it’s only the datalink signal that is required from MCL2AV to Beogram. The Beogram’s audio output (pins 3 and 5) could be connected direct to the BS4, via a phono stage. A suitably wired adaptor should work.

I had not thought about using the MCL2AV as only a control device and rerouting the sound directly to the BS4. This would of course require a IR eye connected to the MCL2AV. However the PHONO command can not be used as the MCL2AV will send that to the MCL screw terminal connection. But CD could be used. I do not remember if the MCL2AV can be set in option 4 so it only responds to Link + commands.

I can try to make a test of this scenario with my BC2

[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

My MCL2AV is the version with the TV socket, not the Aux socket, but maybe it would still work?

That works the same yes

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I had never considered using a Beomaster though, so am interested in that suggestion.  How would that work?  Would  Beomaster 5000 be suitable?  Beomaster 5000 seems a good option as I believe that one has a built-in phono stage?  Beomaster 5000 will often come up for under £100 on eBay too.

Beomaster 5000 wil not work as it is not datalink86 compatible for connection to the 1611 converter. Beomaster 5500 should work, but I remember reading that some of the early versions did not have a software to be compatible.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Beogram 3000 connects to phono input of a Beomaster (5000, ideally) Beocenter 5000 set up as a link room Beocenter 5000 connects to 1611 via Aux Link (would the 1614 not work instead, since the BS4 can work as the audio master?) 1611 connected to BS4 via Masterlink Would that allow me to operate the Beogram via Link>Phono (or Link>N.Radio)?

It has to be the Beomaster that is set up as a Master as a link room can not serve its sources to other rooms. Also the older Beomasters/Beocenters can not be setup as link rooms.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

I do currently have link room speakers connected to my BS4 though – a BL3500, and the Beolink Passive, with a pair of CX50s.  Both of these are set to opt4.  Would the above mean that my link room speakers could no longer work that way?

They would work, but only for the sources from the Beomaster that would be the new Master in the system.

 

Hope this makes sense

[Madskp]

Just to start somewhere:

The control of datalink compatible Beogram, Beogram CD and Becord is done via the datalink80 protokol. This is in most cases only available vis the dedicated Phono, CD, tape and Tape2 sockets on various Beocenters, Beomasters and the MCL2AV. One outlier is the BS Ouverture where the AUX socket can function both as a Tape2 and Phono socket.

Control vise a CD socket can control both a Brogram CD and a Beogram Record player. The same goes for a phono socket, but this will not work sound wise with a CD player if a RIAA is installed in the Beocenter/Beomaster.

The datalink sockets on the 1611/1614 converters and the Aux sockets on various Beocenter/Beomasters and the MCL2AV use the datalink86 protokol which is also used for MCL and Powerlink, but isnit compatible with the datalink80 devices.

 

My best suggestion would therefore be to connect the Beogram to the CD socket of the MCL2AV, connect a datalink cable from the Aux socket of the MCL2AV to the 1611 converter and let that work as a main room. Then set the BS4 up as a link room (option 5 or 6) and control the Beogram with Link + CD commands.

This of course has the downside that the sources of the BS4 can not be shared to link rooms.

The MCL2AV in this setup can be substituted with a Beomaster 3500/4500/5500/6500/7000 wich probably should give you control with PHONO commands (I will have to double check that works)

Hope this is of some help for further progress

[Madskp]

Tignum wrote:

Working on a 1994 Trek road bike restomod project – but not without some music playing on the BeoLabs! I had two of these for less than 100 euro’s, stripped them and had the cabinets powdercoated. As they are centerchannel speakers I feed them 2xL and 2xR (tweak in the RJ45 wall outlet). They are connected to a BLC that gets the NL from an Airport Express. Happy with my (once) 6000 euro garage soundsystem 🙂

Very nice, and probably much better sound stage than the Beolab 2000 you were planning with at some point.

I notice that you have integrated the IR eye into the electrical fixtures. I am not sure it would fit into the types we primarely use here in Denmark

[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Mads, could you share the communucation / pics you? got from curious-dreamer / reddit? If one guy got this running others should be able to .. never giving up ..

I think the information provided was the picture in this post https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beolab-3500-and-1611-converter-settings/page/10/#post-42384

and that the 5V was connected to pin 1 and 7, so not much to go for.

The original Reddit post is this https://www.reddit.com/r/BangandOlufsen/comments/rvr4f4/best_way_to_modernise_a_beolab_3500_soundbar_as/

Let us know if you have any ideas as to how this could work

[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

Stefan Leuenberger wrote: If I understand you correctly, I would connect the Beolink Converter type 1611 with a Masterlink cable to the NL/ML converter. That is correct

Btw if you setup the NL/ML converter as A.master you can also use the 1611 converter as an extra analog input for the ML system with the use of video commands (for example TV, V.MEM etc.) to activate the input.

[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

Sidenote: the LCS9000 is used with option 2, only other option settable was 4 but no sound, no reaction on opt 5 and 6

Ok there might be limitations on this since it’s SW 1.0. In an older post on the old forums it was mentioned that Masterlink was not even compatible in the first version, so the option settings might relate more to what it was in the older MCL products

[Madskp]

Klaus Stoetzel wrote:

C18 was the issue, works flawless now on the BS5500 and comes up with MCL sel .. Yeah! I will try to patch an Arylic S10 onto the LCS for some half-mobile streaming sound unit

Great to hear that it was possible to solve 😀

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