[Madskp]

Glitch wrote:

Anyway, here is a picture of the circuit board in the off chance that it is useful to you.

Thanks for sharing and intersting to see at least three variations of components for what i eessntialy the same product. But they might have been produced over a certain period to be able to let the customers expand their link system.

Glitch wrote:

Is this useful for hooking up to anything other than the equipment listed on the diagram?

Acording to this page https://beoworld.org/master-control-link-mcl30-mcl82/ it can also be used with a Beomaster 8000, but aperently some modification of the link boxes are needed and also the MCL-Beolab kit type 1006. So not that versatile as the newer Beolink 1000 compatible MCL and ML link systems.

 

 

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[Madskp]

Guy wrote:

The 6-pin DIN matches the connection for the Beomaster 7000 external IR sensor

That was also my thought, and apperently it was also used for the external IR sensor for the code converter for MCL82 and MCL30.

Guy wrote:

but I can’t recall any B&O applications for the 5-pin 270 degree DIN (wikipedia shows DIN 45327, or domino/dice arrangement)

Me neither. Some searching on the DIN 45327 it seems like it has been used for stereo headphones on some audio equipment.

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[Madskp]

There is a little info in this older thread, but it does not seems to be conclusive https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/8365.aspx . There is mentioning of the A.aux command, but since you can not activate your BS4 with it it must have some difference in the remote codes

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[Madskp]

Madskp wrote:

2 more boxes without markings that are probably also MCL82 units although on the inside the components are different than on the unit above:

Just to clarify this I have taken a photo of the inside of the box that are marked MCL82 (left) and one with no markings on it (right)

There are many similarities, but the PCB has some changes to the layout and some component are newer. I seems like the one on the left also has a footprint for the large relay that is on the other one though.

 

And just while I was at it I also took a photo of the inside of one of the MCL30 boxes. Looks even newer component wise than the 2 MCL82 boxes:

 

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Guy wrote:

Are you sure that the BS2000/Century does not provide an AUX output in the same way as the BS4000? The service manual is a bit confusing, because the connections summary (page 1-2) shows NC (no connection) for aux output pins 1 and 4, whereas if you look at the circuit diagram (page 2-19) it shows pins 1 and 4 connected as an AUX output. Worth testing.

I think it was established in this thread that the AUX output text is a mistake in the diagram https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beosound-1-cd-version-data-link/#post-51699 so can probably not be used.

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Severed_hand_of_skywalker wrote:

I do not want to work with a separate app just to control this product. Does it have any advantages to just connecting an essence or a core to your product? thats what I did with my 9000 and it works great.

Hard to tell if has advantages before the product is fully developed and being used.

I think the idea from the developers is to keep ML products alive with streaming possibilities more than being used together with NL products

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[Madskp]

It has been a little quiet since the Kickstarter for the ML streamer did complete.

However for those who are not on the Beotalk Dsicord channel there was an update just before new year from Poly Vection (the company who produce the electronics and make the software).

I take the liberty to insert parts of it here for info:

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Millemissen wrote:

You will not be able to turn on the 5’s this way! A quote from Steve in another related post (there are several, if you search here): “Unfortunately with Beolab 5 it is not possible to activate the speakers via a voltage trigger – a coded Datalink signal is needed (either via the Powerlink socket or IR remote control) in order to wake the speakers before use.” MM

Ok I did not know that. Then the Almando Multiplay is less interesting as the Beolab 5’s then has to  be activated with a remote for it to work

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[Madskp]

I made a post yesterday and two times quickly afterwards i made a small edit as text and pictures did not line up. After the second edit a yellow box said that it was marked as spam. Is it possible to get the post released from spam or do I have to make it again?

Thanks in advance

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[Madskp]

You could look into something like the Almando Multiplay Stereo that can automatically switch between sources and also has built in Bluetooth connection https://almando.com/Multiplay-Stereo-III-Type-1-DIN-DIN-DIN-black

It also has extra inputs so you could still connect your BS3200 if you want

I have not tried this product myself, but I have a ~10 year old Powerlink switch from them that works without issues in daily use

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[Madskp]

Leon Heesakkers wrote:

I have given my Beolabs 6000 serial number 140….. a Maintenance service, sound was ‘good’ . When removing the speaker cloth, nothing seemed to be wrong, but as soon as you touched the woofer rubber suspension, it completely crumbled. totally perished. Then I removed the woofers speakers to look at the condition of the internal damping material, but not only after that, also at the air density of the seal of the speakers between themselves and at the aluminum housing. ( Previously I renovated a Beolab 8000 whose damping and sealing material was completely decayed. what a sticky thing. PCB was affected there.) With the BeoLab 6000, the quality of the damping material was equivalent, so completely perished. Only with the Beolab 6000 is the damping material partially glued to the housing, so it cannot sink towards the PCB as with the Beolab 8000. But still, small pieces had ended up on the circuit board and connectors, which could have caused damage in the long run. Also, damping material completely removed, including the mutual sealing edges and completely renewed. Because the rubber suspension of the speakers was also completely broken, these speakers also replaced (you can only replace the defective rubber suspension instead of renewing, but I have opted for total replacement.) For the coming years, the quality feeling and the sound, especially the midrange and the bass are sublime again.

Thanks for the info. I might have a look inside one of mine to see how the damping materiel looks, and if the woofer rubber supension is bad

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[Madskp]

Another thought that came to mind.  You do mention that you have a NL/ML converter. If you get an extra one you can make 2 ML networks connected via. NL. that way you can decide which sources that should be available through the converters.

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[Madskp]

Behrad Moini wrote:

Yes that is correct it worked fine with the Beocenter 2 I could just pause the n musik and the pc Sound would go through to my ml system but with bm/bs5 it won’t work

Ok so If I understand correctly you did not have the BM5/BS5 previously?

I am also unsure what you mean by ML passive converter? I this the Beolink Passive? If so what is that used for in the current setup?

 

Problem is that the Beolab 2000 speakers rely on a Masterlink source. There can only be one of each Masterlink source in a Masterlink system, so you can not have N.music and N.Radio from both the BM5/BS5 and the Beolink PC2.

One thing you can do is to make a separate ML network with only the Beolink PC2 and the Beolab 2000 speakers. That way you can not get the sound from the main room.

Another option would be to replace the Beolab 2000 speakers with other active speakers connected directly to the Beolink PC2. The Beolink PC2 should be setup as a Link room (option 6). That way you can both get sources from the main room and play the PC sound in the Bedroom. This however also require that the PC has to be on to be able to play the music from the main room.

 

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Carolpa wrote:

If f.e. a BS9000 is connected to a BLC in  a NL setup it doesn’t have to be compatible for N.Music/N.Radio.

Agree, but the system can be made with only one BLC NL/ML

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Is it possible to make a setting to get notifications when a post has been edited?

I have seen more than one case where I come back to a thread and see that new information is added in an existing post, but I only see it because a new post was made or because I went back to look for some info.

I know it’s not a thing for all, and could also be irritating if the edit is just spelling mistakes etc. But would be nice to know if it is possible?

Thanks in advance

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Madskp wrote:

When you say that you were not able to control anything how did you activate the Essence in this case, via app?

I don’t remember for certain, but pretty sure I activated it with the app.

Madskp wrote:

I would think that the Penta’s would display something, but i might not be the case with the MCL2AV in stand alone mode, but only work if the MCL2AV is connected to a Beomaster/Beocenter.

I didn’t think the Penta displays would ever work through an MCL2AV. We’re having work done in the house so my Beocenter 8500 is in storage, but when I get it back, I’ll have to test that!

Thanks for the update. I will update the first post accordingly

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[Madskp]

Peter Vaessen wrote:

My best guess from all the information is to link the BV7-55 directly to another BLC. The BV7-55 resources will be visible in NL and vica versa the BS9000 resources are visible for the BV7-55 as if they are NL recources.

This could be a solution, but do you know that the BS9000 might be upgraded to a newer software that supports N.music and N.Radio from another source instead of using it’s own AUX connection?

This thread https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beosound-9000-type-252x-from-april-1996-software-update/ mention something about which type numbers can have which software version, and there is also a guide on how to perform the upgrade.

I have no experience with this myself, but I think that might make it more simple to make your system work the way you want

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[Madskp]

CharlieWednesday wrote:

My RJ45-to-DIN fully wired powerlink cable arrived today from Sounds Heavenly (thanks Steve!), so I’ve started performing some tests.

Thank you very much 🙂

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Test 1 – BS Essence > BL Penta – Pass This passed, with sound and display.  The Penta’s came out of standby when I selected a source, and went back into standby when I put the Essence into standby.  The displayed first showed LOAD TAPE when I powered it up, and also did that when I switched source between N.Radio and N.Music, but then after a few seconds displayed A.TAPE2, and the volume.  It didn’t matter if I was listening to N.Radio or N.Music – both displayed as A.TAPE2 on the Pentas (Of course, I forgot to change the sound level settings in the Essence before I tested this, so now my entire village know the true power of the Penta!).

Interesting result with great information of what to expect from this combination.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Test 2 – BS Essence > BL Passive > BV CX50 – Pass Just a quick test to ensure that the new cable was able to power up the BL Passive, and drive the speakers.  I connected a pair of CX50s.  When I selected a source on the Essence, the BL Passive powered on and the source was heard.

Great that this works as expected.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Test 3 – BS Essence > BL Passive > MCL2AV > BL Penta – Partial Pass When I selected a source on the Essence, the BL Passive powered on and the source was heard.  No display on the Penta’s here, but I wouldn’t have expected that.  I was not able to control anything via the IR Receiver (the old rectangular type) with my BEO4, but the Mute button on the IR Receiver did toggle the sound on and off, but you had to press it twice each time to toggle!  The LEDs in the IR receiver worked, including the Timer LED, but I didn’t test if the timer was having any effect.

From my other testing I would expect a result like this. Becasuse the MCL2AV can operate stand alone it is able to open up the sound path from the MCL cable, but the data is not going through to the Passive/Essence. Also I belive the thing you experience with the LED’s is normal behaviour for the MCL2AV even in stand alone mode.

When you say that you were not able to control anything how did you activate the Essence in this case, via app?

I would think that the Penta’s would display something, but i might not be the case with the MCL2AV in stand alone mode, but only work if the MCL2AV is connected to a Beomaster/Beocenter.

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Test 4 – BS Essence > BL Passive > MLL2A > BV CX50 – Fail In this test I got no response – the LEDs did not light up on the IR receiver and I got no sound.  BUT: this is an MCL2A that I have only just got my hands on, and this is the first time I have tested it – it might be faulty, but I used this one as it is already fully wired up.  When I have more time I will wire up another working MCL2A that I already had (but it is not currently wired up) and perform the same test again.

Also I would expect this as the MCL2AV can not operate stand alone like the MCL2AV

CharlieWednesday wrote:

Test 5 – BL Essence > BL Passive > BL 3500 Mk1 – Unable to test I have a BL 3500 Mk1 which has a DIN input for MCL, but I don’t have the right cable to test this and not enough patience or skill to create one myself, so this one will have to remain untested!

Quite ok. I think test 3 does suffice.

 

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Carolpa wrote:

o my knowledge and experience all Beosounds / Beomasters will switch on the MC2P / Active / ML-MCL converter when connected with fully wired PL (even the BS Moment).

That would also be what I expect, but there could be outliers.

Carolpa wrote:

Note: never tested it on a BS5 or BS5e, but presumably it won’t work on a BS5 when “master” is set off.

Actually on my BS5 it had some weird behaviour as described above. It could be something wrong with my unit.

Carolpa wrote:

Also all MCL capable Beomasters will support MCL. That said: why use a seperate amp if the Beomaster is MCL  ready (f.e. 4500, 6500, ….)?

Yes I know it is a little redundant, but my thought was to not only look at the outliers but get the full picture of Powerlink comptability in different products. Also could be workaround in case of a broken amp in the Beomaster/Beocenter

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Guy wrote:

My BC9500 works the same as BC2300 – turns Passive* on/off but no muting – see here .  I haven’t driving MCL, nor have I tried the modified (pin 4 to 1) PL lead but will do so next time my BC9500 is set up.

Great info, thanks 🙂

Guy wrote:

My Essence Mk2 turns Passive on fine – fully wired RJ45 PL lead used.

It was actually that I had picked up from another thread, but I can see now that I have made the YES for the MK1. That will be corrected in the next version of the list

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