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Beogram 4000 relay board repair or replace need part or board
Perhaps you could take the time to elaborate a little on your post (and maybe include a few pleasantries – it seems a bit demanding/off-putting at present!). There are a number of people on this friendly forum who can probably help with the problem you are experiencing, but we are not mind-readers!
What’s the problem, and do you need advice, a replacement part, or potentially both?
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The system is set up as a stand-alone system, with speakers connected to the power-link connectors, however the speakers are not B&O but work similarly. I don’t think this could cause the issue.
I think this could still be worth further investigation.
Have a look at this post/thread – shows that a resistor between PL pins 2 and 4 is required to act as ‘speaker sense’: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/powerlink-speaker-sense-plug-wiring/#post-52035
This thread refers specifically to BS/BM5: https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/topic/beosound-5-beomaster-5-non-bo-amp/
As mentioned ain the above link, Steve at Sound Heavenly produces a speaker sense plug to put in the spare PL socket in such setups (usually BS9000): https://soundsheavenly.com/products/beosound-9000-and-beosystem-9000c-speaker-sense-adapter-gives-remote-control-functions-when-no-speakers-are-connected
Other than that I have run out of ideas – perhaps another forum member with a BS5 can comment, or check the behaviour of their system.
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Hi Peter and welcome to Beoworld!
I see in the manual that the SOUND menu disappears when the Audiomaster is in A.OPT 0.
Are speakers connected? I am not sure whether the BM5 defaults to A.OPT 0 if no speakers are connected (like BS9000). Try connecting powerlink speakers.
Alternatively, have you tired all the other A.OPTs of 1, 2, 5 and 6?
Is the BM connected to anything else by Masterlink? If so, try disconnecting and re-set the A.OPT.
EDIT: And I think that the A.OPT has to be set in both the BeoSound and the Beomaster. If you haven’t already got a copy, search for the ‘BeoSound 5 Installation Manual’ and lave a look at pages 20/21.
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One of my BS1s behaves like that if I haven’t used it for a while. In fact I just tried playing a CD on my study BS1 and it did the same!
I think the trick is to use if more often! The cogs and sliders in the CD mechanism possibly get a bit sticky if unused. Once it’s running, leave a CD to play all the way through, and exercise the mechanism by moving backwards and forwards through tracks. Try a few different CDs – very old or very new ones, and of different lengths.
You can also go into service mode and command the CD laser to focus and move – but I usually leave that until the problem persists for a while.
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I must contradict you, I fear.
It is however, a long time ago, but if I recall well:
At some point with the BV7 MK1 B&O used the so-called ‘DVI-solution’ for the HD-tuner…..because it offered a better PQ.
This was indeed ‘internal connected’.No worries MM, you may well be right about the internal DVI. Most of my knowledge is based upon my own BV6 and BV10 ownership, I ‘ve never owned a BV7.
@Alcy’s BV7-40 is indeed a Mk1, so that could well be the problem.
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Great news. It’s amazing how temperamental these phones are, but always very satisfying to finally get them working!
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Hi and welcome to Beoworld – hopefully we can help!
Firstly, it should be the CONNECTIONS menu (under OPTIONS) where you tell the TV what is connected, what input to select on Beo4 to use it (DVD, V.MEM etc) and what digital input to use – DVI. Have you followed the procedure in the User Manual, and if so is your User Manual specific to the type of BV7 that you are using, with the DVB module installed?
There are quite a few different SW versions of BV7, so it is difficult to know what might be in both the Service Menu and the normal user menu.
I have read that this could be due to the fact that the DVB tuner is using this entry internally ( no cables on the outside ), and therefore there DVI is reserved for this, and can’t be chosen in the HDTV option as @ravsted suggests here.
I don’t think that the internal DVB tuner would disable the DVI input – I have had a look at the DVB module installation guide and don’t see any mention of using DVI.
Unfortunately, I can’t see any option to disable this, as in the service menu, when select DTV, only displays info version. …. maybe @69er can help here to guide us….
Have you searched the rest of the Service Menu? Maybe a Tuner Setup page?
Alternatively, some of the later BV7s had a TUNER SETUP menu in the main (not service) menu under OPTIONS, where it was possible to turn off the DVB tuner. Have a thorough search there.
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Even though not an exact match to my 3500 it looks quite nice. I made a little stand for it yesterday to tuck it under my Hifi stand.
Nice neat setup. And great to see a BeoCom 2000 – is it connected? I have one of those (in red) in a box somewhere.
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^ Great solution @madskp – I would buy that!
I wasn’t aware of that, so perhaps it’s a new product. I assume it swaps the datalink across from pin 6 to 7.
I was aware of this older version, but I don’t think it’s available any longer: http://www.iconic-av.co.uk/item/1321/RIAA+Pre-Amplifier+with+Datalink+for+BeoGrams/
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Did you see the note about resetting base pin number to 0000? I posted earlier (4 up) but before you replied.
Failing that, I’m all out of ideas. But it’s been fun thinking about it! 😀
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Non-RIAA turntables pass datalink through DIN pin 6.
RIAA equipped turntables pass datalink through DIN pin 7 (the same as other B&O line level components, like CD players).
If not fitted with RIAA (some were) your BM3500 will expect datalink on input DIN pin 7, hence you will need to modify your DIN lead (in addition to adding a pre-amp) in order to remote control the turntable.
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Yes, only one base is now shown in that menu.
I think that it’s possibly then an incompatibility problem. If you go back to the compatibility table that I posted earlier, then the Mk1 versions of both BeoCom 6000 and BeoCom 2 are shown as incompatible with Beoline Mk2. In practice they will often work as basic phones but with some limitations.
I also found I had a Beocom 6000 pyramid PSTN, so I tried to connect the Beocom 5 to that too. Same result – it continues to search for the base, but it doesn’t find it (and yes, the base is in discoverable mode).
The BC6000 Mk1 is fully compatible with the pyramid PSTN. Have you tried resetting that base and then registering the BeoCom 5?
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Just wondered if you’ve seen this post about resetting the base PIN code to 0000:
https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/18641/161888.aspx
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In response to your second reply, I’ve already tried that. I reset both my Beocom 6000 Mk1, then relinked it to the base successfully. Knowing that it was linked to only that one base I tried again to reset the base with DOT 70008, but again I go the ‘Not Base 1’ error.
So if you use the BC6000 to go to the ‘select base’ menu (DOT MENU 7 then ‘select base’) is there only one base listed when you use the wheel to scroll? I only ask this because I can not convinced that a handset reset deletes all the data. (From memory, I think at least handset name stays).
I tried the same with my Beocom 2 (which is a Mk1). After resetting it and relinking it, I get ‘Wait’ if I try ‘Reset Base’ via the 9#9#9* INT menu.
I can’t find a BC2 Mk1 manual (I only have Mk2) to see if it also has the ‘select base’ menu anyway.
As an aside, I think that the Mk1 versions of BC6000 and BC2 both had the ‘select base’ facility because that was a (clunky) way of using them with two-phone lines. Later models like the Beocom 2 (US) and BC5 had two-line functionality built in when using with two-line PSTNs.
I found another post (can’t find it again now to link it!) when someone had the same issue as me with a BC5 and a BL Mk2, and they solved it by letting the BC5 battery run down while it was displaying ‘Register handset to base?’, then when they charged it and tried again, it linked first time! I’m running the battery down now so I can try that.
Worth a try! I do find that these BeoComs sometime behave in the strangest of ways, particularly at different states of battery charge!
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Further to the above, I vaguely recalled that the BC6000 Mk1 can be registered to several bases at once. This is confirmed on page 38 of the BC6000 Mk1 user manual, where it states:
If a handset is registered to several bases, you
can choose which base to use via the SELECT
BASE menu.I am guessing that you can only then control (reset) the first base registered. Hence the ‘Not Base 1’ message.
Perhaps try resetting the BC6000 handset (Press (dot) 7 000 9), registering to the Beoline Mk2, and then resetting the base. You could try the same with your Beocom 2 (is it a Mk1 or Mk2, by the way?)
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Asa I mentioned about, if I try DOT 70008 OK to get into the service menu for the BL Mk2, I only get ‘Not Base 1’ displayed, which I don’t understand and the BC6000 is linked only to that one base.
That is the instruction to reset the base.
To enter the handset service menu, enter: 9 – # – 9 – # – 9 – ✱ – (DOT) – 7 – OK, and you should then be able to scroll through the following — does that work?
1: HS SW VERSION
2: BS SW VERSION
3: CURRENT VOLUME
4: MAX VOLUME
5: NOMINAL VOL
6: MIN VOLUME
7: FORCED TRANSM
8: EEPROM EDIT
9: RAM WATCH
10: CONTRAST
11: SERIAL NUMBER
12: ONTIME TOTAL
13: ONTIME OFFHOOK
14: ONTIME CHARGER
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Hi Jeff and welcome to Beoworld!
Unfortunately I can’t hep with the specific problem, but the BC5500 service manual is available on Beoworld for Silver and Gold members, should you wish to upgrade!
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It sounds a bit strange, but according to the compatibility table below, if you want to use a BeoCom 5 with a Beoline Mk2, then you have to register an older handset first (eg BC6000) to tell the base that it’s only a one-line setup.
(and the same procedure should work with other bases as shown)
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Hi Mike and welcome to Beoworld!
I just deleted some duplicate posts; sometimes the forum can be slow to respond to the submit button (hence people press again), but hopefully you will get used to it!
I haven’t restored a turntable, but hopefully others will have experience of BG2400 and be able to help.
In the meantime, you may want to look here for a reliable source of spare parts (although there is a note on the site about problems shipping to the States, hopefully soon resolved): https://www.dksoundparts.com/product-category/beogram/beogram-2400/
Good luck!
EDIT: I forgot to say that the Beogram 2400 Service Manual is available on Beoworld for Silver or Gold Members, should you wish to upgrade.
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Tough luck. These Beosound 4’s does not seem to be as easy to work on as the BC2300/2500/BS Ouverture/BS 3×00 system
I agree – they’re far too modern for my liking.
Looking in the servicemanual for the BS4 something about modules being registered to the BS4 when powered on for more than 12 hours or the Pin code being activated/deactivated which sounds like a lock in between the main PCB and the other components which could probably cause trouble if one module is malfunctioning.
Thanks @madskp I hadn’t spotted the 12 hour comment! Because I disconnected several ribbon cables when dismantling, I will power the unit up and leave it overnight in the hope that this may cause the modules to ‘re-register’. I don’t hold out much hope, but worth a try!
I also noticed in the servicemanual that there are some pictures showing different points where certain voltages should be available. If you wan’t to dig further one option could be trying top measure if these voltages are present.
The manual also says that the BS4 should be in CD mode when testing voltages. I can’t get it into that mode, or indeed any mode other than standby!
The service manual does also mention a removable/replaceable EPROM on PCB06, but as you can see in my photo, where the metal cover is removed, none of the chips look to be removable.
I’ll persist a bit longer, but to be honest I don’t like working on it! Those pull-out ribbon cables are very tricky, and the very sticky outer case leaves black marks all over your hands (and workbench) when handling it. I am adamant that I won’t clean it until it shows signs of life!
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