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Madskp wrote:

To add further to this I just tried a setup with the Beocenter 9300 – 1611 – Beocenter 6-23. Again with both the datalink and powerlink cable between the BC9300 and the 1611. ALso here I can get the TV to start up by pressing one of the source buttons on the BC9300. So this point to the issue being how the MCL2AV relay this local source button commands to the connected TV.

Hi Madskp,

Thank you for taking the time to test it with your gear. Much appreciated.

I had another play around with it last night with the passive amp connected to the MCL2AV and the 1611 at the ready.I pressed play on the beogram, the amp turned on as expected, and I then pulled the powerlink from the amp and plugged it into the 1611. The NL converter then started playing! But then it didn’t do it a second time, so could have been a fluke. Could it be as simple as the PL port on the 1611 being used as the trigger to start the TV connected to the ML side? After thinking about this some more I wondered if the MCL2AV is detecting whether a speaker is connected to the PL port somehow to determine the mode, which the 1611 doesn’t react to?

Did you have the MCL’s IR transceiver wired in when you did your tests?

Cheers,

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Madskp wrote:

@ebnrob just out of curiosity did you happen to try with another power supply?
Hi Madskp,

Thank you for the message and for your help last week.

I had some time last weekend to play around with it again, and started by replacing the PSU with a 12v switch mode PSU. The MCL2AV worked, however the IR port still read 7V. It was at this point I spotted the multimeter low battery symbol was on – and I recall it giving erroneous readings when low, so changed the battery and the IR voltage read correctly at 5v!! I then switched back to the original PSU and this read 20v – same as Guy’s. With the original PSU connected, the IR pins were giving 5v so all good! Phew! I connected the 3 wires from the passive IR puck and this worked activating the CD source using a beo4 which was positive progress. So now I know the IR transceiver is faulty.

I then put all the connections back on to the 1611 as before, however the NL converter (as video master) wouldn’t activate when the beogram played (as it did before). I rebooted them etc in different orders, powered all down for 3 mins etc, all to no avail. So i changed the powerlink from the MCL2AV -> 1611 over to the passive amp’s PL input – so MCL2AV PL -> passive amp, and the amp turned on when play was pressed on the beogram! So I don’t know what the issue was with the 1611 not connecting to the NL converter.  I tried a few times to get it working again but couldn’t. It seems like the 1611 is activating into a video master mode when booting up now, not seeing the NL converter.

I then tried changing the Option mode of the MCL2AV, but it didn’t seem to make any difference. Having only a Beo4 all I could do was go to the Option menu and tried both A.Opt and L.opt in option 0, option 1, and option 2 and option5. None of which made any difference, so at this point I gave up!

Maybe the MCL2AV needs the old beolink remote to change mode?

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Madskp wrote:

ebnrob wrote:

Unfortunately though the white IR transceiver it came with doesn’t appear to be working. I’ve connected it up to the relevant screw terminals but it doesnt light up, or respond to IR commands from my beo4. I have a feeling this issue is to do with the mode the MCL2AV is programmed to.

Ok that is unfortunate. In one of the older MCL manuals it is mentioned that if no IR eye i connected to the MCL2AV and it is connected to a TV it will default to option 2. So maybe try without the IR eye.

ebnrob wrote:

I have an IR puck for the beolink passive amp (the one with the timer button) – do you know if this would work on the MCL2AV?

That should work as long as you only connect the three wires for ground, +5V and IR data. But the fact that the white IR eye does no show any light could also be an indication of some missing voltage. If you have a multimeter you could try to measure if you get 5V between the 5V and ground screw terminals.

Thanks for the tips. I’ve just checked the voltage and it’s reading 7.4v instead of 5v! Also the same in the ir data to ground. Checking the power supply – it’s outputting 30v! It’s rated 15v Dc and is one of the old heavy transformers – I’m guessing it’s not regulated. Could this be the problem?

Just looked at the solder joints on the underside and all look good.

Thanks for your help!

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Dear Madskp,

Thank you for the replies!

Madskp wrote:

The 1611 does not have option settings but the MCL2AV does. It has option 0, 1 and 2 but these are related to an IR eye connected to the MCL2AV, so might not have effect on what you are trying to achive.

Unfortunately though the white IR transceiver it came with doesn’t appear to be working. I’ve connected it up to the relevant screw terminals but it doesnt light up, or respond to IR commands from my beo4. I have a feeling this issue is to do with the mode the MCL2AV is programmed to.

I have an IR puck for the beolink passive amp (the one with the timer button) – do you know if this would work on the MCL2AV?

Madskp wrote:

One thing you can try if you have a datalink Beocenter/Beomaster/Beosound is to connect that instead of the MCL2AV and see how things are reacting

Unfortunately I don’t 🙁

Madskp wrote:

I have as mentioned a Beoplay 1 and a NL/ML conveter so I might try to do some experiments with that when time allows it.

That would be great – thanks!

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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A further development…  the next time I pressed play on the beogram the amp didn’t turn on (this was with the MCL2AV connected to the passive amp) . If I turn the MCL2AV off then on again, the amp triggers on correctly when play is started. So i just tested the powerlink back on the 1611, power cycled the MCL2AV, pressed play.. and the beosound2 turned on an the sound came out! However as with the amp – if I turn the BS2 off, and play the record again – the BS2 did not power up. So something weird is going on with the PL out of the MCL2AV.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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My M3 is the only device thats been updated so far. Nothing for my M5, cores or BS2. I can’t see anything new on the M3 post update – and disappointingly, the connect to secondary product functionality is still broken 🙁

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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I’m getting closer…. I just dug out a beolink passive amp and connected the powerlink to the MCL2AV powerlink and it turned the amp on when pressing play on the beogram! So, while still playing, I then pulled the powerlink from the amp and plugged it back into the 1611 powerlink input – and hey presto – it turned the Network link  speaker on and started playing! So I reckon it’s either a wiring mis-match between the two powerlink sockets (maybe different powerlink versions?) – or the MCL2AV can’t see the 1611 connected to it when powering up, so disables the PL out?

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Hi all, I bought a beogram 3500 earlier in the year which I have had, up until now, connected to my BS9000, but having seen this thread some months ago, I really liked the idea of being able to remote control the beogram via masterlink 🙂

I already have a 1611 converter, so I bought a MCL2AV off ebay and a 7 pin datalink cable from my local b&o service centre. Wired this up following the connection example earlier in the thread (thank you!) – Beogram to the CD din, and 1611 to the TV din – and the 1611 connected to my old Beolab 3500 for testing, and it worked! I could access the beogram on the CD source from my BL3500 and beo4 remote control of the beogram magically worked!

My next goal was to get this accessible on my newer network link products so I connected the 1611 converter to an NL/ML converter, which I configured as a Video Master. And this works! I can Join a playing vinyl from another room and the remote control also works (amazing!).

The next goal is to get the Beosound 2 NL speaker (that’s in the same room as the beogram) to turn on automatically when play is pressed on the beogram – but this is where I’ve not been able to succeed. The NL converter is configured with “Connect to Primary” set to the Beosound 2 – which is the setting needed on this converter to normally achieve this (this is what I use for my BS9000’s NL converter). So I am wondering if the 1611 converter is able to work in “Option 0” with the MCL2AV as it doesn’t trigger the NL converter (the Video master) when play’s pressed on the beogram.

I just tried adding a mk2 powerlink cable between the 1611 and the MCL2AV in the hope this may do the trick as it shows this connection in the 1611 manual when connected to an Avant ML TV and Aux-link audio system, but disappointingly, it made no difference. Perhaps theres a mode I need to enable on the MCL2AV to get this to work?

Many thanks!

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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If you’re not using the masterlink port on your Ouverture you could connect a 1611 converter to it, and plug the tape or record deck into it’s aux in. You can pick these up for about £30 on ebay. The converter would configure itself as the video master, giving you an extra source on the ouverture. Whatever is plugged into the converters aux socket will then be accessible on the TV, SAT & V.MEM sources on the ouverture.

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Tignum wrote:

Hello Rob, my attic BS5/BM5 combo is also connected by ML to a BLC (audio slave) to distribute its sources over NL. My living room BeoSystem 3 is also connected to a BLC (audio master) and I can use the colored buttons without problems. This might exclude an NL/ML throughput issue. Is the Core not passing the commands? Regards, Johan

Hi Johan,

The core doesn’t pass the beo4 coloured button presses for me. Nor does the M5 with the BR1. I will try from my beolab 3500 tomorrow which is connected to a different NL/ML converter – this one will have to traverse ML >NL > ML to get to the beosound 5!

Ive just had some luck with the BLGW macro – this “Generic Beo4 command” works sending it to the NL speaker joined to the BS5:

Beo4 command?Command=CNTL_REWIND_Green&Destination selector=Audio_source

This command however, using the resource command (default), does not work though:

Send command?Command=GREEN&Continue type=short_press

It could be that the NL device sends this GREEN command instead of the beo4’s CNTL_REWIND_Green

You mentioned “my attic BS5/BM5 combo is also connected by ML to a BLC (audio slave) to distribute its sources over NL” – do you have speakers connected to this BS5? I’m wondering if your NL speakers can send the colour keys to yours? If so, perhaps it’s the master/slave mode of the NL converter that affects it.

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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I was able to login to Tidal in the end, and same as you – it doesn’t work. The title flashes on the BS5. Im guessing it can’t connect. It could be tidal are using https – in which case it wouldn’t be able to connect to it with the underlying operating system on the Beomaster5 being so old.  The same happens when selecting my beoplay M5 as the Play to destination. However, selecting my Wiim streamer as the destination works.

It might be better to get a behringer UCS202 USB soundcard for the beomaster 5 box and plug a Wiim Mini streamer into it. This will then give you airplay2 and other streaming services including Spotify & Tidal connect (using the tidal app) to the A.AUX input.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Paolo wrote:

hi, i’ve tried to stream music from my iphone with mconnect to my beosound 5, and the resoults are that when i try to stream something (from tidal) on the besound 5 screen it appears everything but the name of the song stars to light up and light off continusly without reproducing the song, can anyone help me ?

I have just installed the Lite version of the app to try this out and to my surprise playback of a local file on the iphone worked! The BS5 showed the cover art and track details. I haven’t tried Tidal as it wouldn’t let me log in. My BS5 is connected via ethernet. Does it work playing a music file from your iphone? How about selecting a song from the BeoMaster5 in the Browser tab – Local Server section? This also works for me.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Tignum wrote:

Hi ebnrob, i never use the coloureds list really, but placed some songs in the blue list to test. I pressed the blue button (on the Beo4) and the first song from the list plays. (The BS5 even switched from N.RADIO that was playing to N.MUSIC, and in my case IR commands go through the Masterlinked BC6-26). Does your remote emit IR signals when pressing the coloured buttons? Have you tried other remotes? Hope this gives a clue to resolve, regards, Johan

Hi Johan,

Thanks for the reply! I have it connected to an NL/ML converter (set as video master) via masterlink, with no speakers attached to the BS5, which in audio master mode 0. In the same room I have a Core Mk2 with IR receiver attached, and the NL converter is set to connect to the Core as the primary device. This makes the core turn on automatically when the BM5 starts playback – like a video master does.

All the beo4 remote commands appear work from the core, such as changing track etc, apart from the coloured buttons. Same behaviour controlling it from my Beoplay M5 which has a beoremote one BT.

I have just unplugged the ML connection to the BM5 and set it to mode 2, and pressing Green on the beo4 activates the playlist! Very weird.

I can only assume the coloured key remote presses don’t make their way from Network Link to Master Link.

I’ll play around with it some more later. I also have a BLGW so will try various commands in macros to see if it reacts.

Cheers,

Rob.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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On doubleola said

@ebnrob,

Thanks for sharing your setup on BS 9000. I was originally going to plug the Beogram directly into the BS Core, but will leave it in the auxiliary of the BS9000 as you suggested. Could you clarify how you integrate the NL/ML converter into the BS Core?

Btw! I had a Beoconnect Core on loan from my dealer and decided I was better off with the BS Core for the exact reasons you mentioned regarding Mozart platform integration challenges. I also found my current Roon Nucleus to USB Audio in my BL50 was better and I will be getting a EverSolo DMP-A8 Digital Media Player Streamer which also allows native integration of Apple Music soon for Hi-res streaming.

Sure. In the NL/ML config web page, set the converter role to V Master and IR option 2, then save. In the Network Link section I have the friendly name set to BeoSound 9000, and Connect to Primary as the Core. Then save. Switch to the experience mapped to NL and make sure CD and A.MEM is enabled and save.

Now go to the Core’s configuration page. Click Settings, then Beolink. Link to other products. Under Connect to Primary select the NL/ML converter and save. Go back to the first screen of the config page, and select Your content, Sources, In local list, and tick the BS9000’s sources you’d like to see in the core, so choose CD and A.MEM and save.

You’ll then probably need to power the converter and the BS9000 down for 3 mins. Unplug any power link connections you have from the BS9000, so all you are left with is masterlink to the converter, Then turn the BS9000 on, then the converter.

You should now be able to select CD as a source in the B&O app on the core 🙂

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Sure. In the NL/ML config web page, set the converter role to V Master and IR option 2, then save. In the Network Link section I have the friendly name set to BeoSound 9000, and Connect to Primary as the Core. Then save. Switch to the experience mapped to NL and make sure CD and A.MEM is enabled and save.

Now go to the Core’s configuration page. Click Settings, then Beolink. Link to other products. Under Connect to Primary select the NL/ML converter and save. Go back to the first screen of the config page, and select Your content, Sources, In local list, and tick the BS9000’s sources you’d like to see in the core, so choose CD and A.MEM and save.

You’ll then probably need to power the converter and the BS9000 down for 3 mins. Unplug any power link connections you have from the BS9000, so all you are left with is masterlink to the converter, Then turn the BS9000 on, then the converter.

You should now be able to select CD as a source in the B&O app on the core 🙂

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Re. the beogram.. I have mine plugged into the Aux in of the BS9000. The NL converter then makes it accessible throughout the house.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Humax are selling Freeview HD (DVB-T2) boxes in the UK. I don’t know if they still use InfraRed for remote control though – if so, it might still work with the PUC IR blaster you can plug into the back of the BV7.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Mjoelnir wrote:

Yet another ugly plastic box and another power cable? That’s not really B&O like. Why did B&O actually never upgrade the Beolab 18 to WLAN in its 10 year life span? That would have been the obvious thing to do.

I prefer speakers as speakers. Connected tech and services become obsolete or are discontinued very quickly. The powerlink input allows one to upgrade the streaming box and keep the same speakers.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Mjoelnir wrote:

In the press pictures, the Beoconnect Core is always displayed together with a pair Beolab 18s and a Beogram turntable of the 4000 series. Beolab 18s without cables, that is… These are exactly the products I have, and as I would like to have the Beolab 18s work wirelessly, I was very excited about the news of the Beoconnect Core. Even though I bought everything less than a month ago, I was willing to replace my Core by a new one. Now I read that this is actually a hoax, and my wireless Beolab 18s will always be bound to cables? Not cool.

You could buy a Beolab Transmitter 1 to make your connection from the core wireless to the beolab 18s. They are relatively inexpensive on eBay.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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Severed_hand_of_skywalker wrote:

I think the reason it doesn’t have WISA is that you need to keep the WiFi and WISA antennas pretty far apart and since this thing is made out of aluminum other than the top (glass?) there is no space for both transmitters.

Almando did it in a bigger plastic box (looks like the essence case):
https://www.av-connection.com/?PGr=17263

This Almando box, with the addition of Mozart, is what the new core with hdmi input should have been.

Location: Eastbourne, UK

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