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Thanks good info!

Carolpa wrote:

DT79 wrote:

I’m pretty sure it’s only the TVs that have ever been able to connect to other speakers wirelessly – no Beosound ‘system’ ever has. The Transmitter 1 is a standalone Wisa transmitter box that you can connect a stereo or 5.1 audio system (B&O or otherwise) to and then connect to 2/2.1/5.1 WISA speakers wirelessly. Most recently the Beosound Theater can connect to other WISA speakers wirelessly. I think those are the only B&O optiobs

Beosound Moment can!

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Agreed, the Beoconnect Core and the Beosound Core before it have been horribly compromised in a number of pointless ways. Not including the WISA transmitter capability is only one of them. Why combine analogue and optical inputs into a single socket thereby effectively meaning there’s only a single input? Why exclude the optical output from the Beoconnect Core? Given the fact that it costs what it does, why include an HDMI input on the Beoconnect Core but then limit it only to Stereo? Why doesn’t the connected speaker sound profile persist if you connect the Beoconnect Core to a Transmitter 1, given that’s the only way of connecting to speakers wirelessly? Why not have the ability to connect both speakers and sub and have the Beoconnect Core manage the crossover (like the transmitter 1 can via WISA)? Why give the option of connecting the speakers and sub using a splitter cable, but then not allow the option to select sound profiles for both speakers and sub?

I wanted to go full B&O, but the ‘Core products are just too compromised, even within their own ecosystem, let alone if you want to connect any 3rd party sources.

If you really want to connect up your speakers wirelessly, then have a look at Almando, Soundsend and google ‘WISA transmitters’ in general and see what’s out there. It will be hidden away, so the fact it’s not B&O need not be ‘in your face’ except for the fact that you won’t be able to use a Beoremote 1 (which I realise is a major drawback).

On the other hand if you really want to go full B&O and be able to use the Beoremote 1 and the Beoconnect Core otherwise does what you need it to, then bite the bullet and get a Transmitter 1 – at least it can be hidden away.

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It makes perfect sense for B&O to produce a streamer, as this is likely the primary sound source for most users these days, apart from TV. But seriously, why on earth didn’t they make it wireless and thereby compatible with their own range of wireless speakers? It’s baffling that two key products from the same brand don’t work seamlessly together. You couldn’t make this up!

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Sorry it’s me again  – no, the Beosound Core can’t connect to speakers wirelessly either. It performs the same function as the Beoconnect Core – essentially that of a streamer and preamp, but it runs on an older platform with fewer features and minus the HDMI, although it does have an optical output which is useful, unlike the Beoconnect Core.

I’m pretty sure it’s only the TVs that have ever been able to connect to other speakers wirelessly – no Beosound ‘system’ ever has. The Transmitter 1 is a standalone Wisa transmitter box that you can connect a stereo or 5.1 audio system (B&O or otherwise) to and then connect to 2/2.1/5.1 WISA speakers wirelessly. Most recently the Beosound Theater can connect to other WISA speakers wirelessly. I think those are the only B&O options.

 

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It’s essentially a streamer/pre-amp

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I can’t answer all your questions but i can clarify a few things because i looked into this myself to potentially use a Beoconnect Core with my BL18s & BL19.

The BC Core can only connect to the speakers via cables. Things can be wireless streamed to it, but it cannot connect wirelessly to speakers. To do that you would need a Transmitter 1 (which would be connected via Powerlink cable from the BC Core), but that loses the ability to tailor the sound profile to the connected B&O speakers (one of the big benefits of the BC Core versus the old Beosound Core or a 3rd party preamp).

You can connect it to both BL18s and a BL19, but it requires the use of a powerlink splitter and you have to set the crossover filtering in the sub yourself (there is no crossover filter applied to the output from the BC Core, so nothing can be applied to the BL18s). This arrangement is somewhat sub-optimal, but with a little experimentation should work well.

The BC Core only outputs a stereo signal – so no surround sound.

Hope that helps.

[DT79]

Unfortunately not. The Beoconnect Core doesn’t have Wisa built in. You could connect the Beoconnect Core to a Transmitter 1 and then connect the BL18s via Wisa, however the downside of that approach is that you lose the ability to optimise the output of the Beoconnect Core to the BL18s.

You can connect one BL18 to the Beoconnect core via Powerlink, but then you need to connect the first BL18 to the second via Powerlink as well.

20cen wrote:

Hi all, is there a a way to make one of this 2 setup: – connect 2 beolab 18 with a beoconnect with WISA – or connect 1 beolab 18 with a beoconnect with powerlink, and the second beolab 18 with WISA connected to the first beolab 18 thanks for your help

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I think the best/only option is going to be to get a B&O Transmitter 1 (the Core has no wireless/WISA built in to it; you’d connect via Powerlink or optical from Core to T1) and Receiver 1s for both your BL3s and the BL2, then transmit wirelessly to all of them. In that configuration the T1 will manage the crossover between the speakers as well which works well (I’ve tried that with BL18s and BL19).

I can’t think of any way that you could continue to connect to the BL3s wired and a BL2 wirelessly as the same time, but others might know better.

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matteventu wrote:

As far as I know, Wireless Powerlink is just B&O’s way to call WiSA.

Thank you.

[DT79]

There is someone putting Beolab 28s (and recently I saw a pair of Beolab 50s listed which I suspect is the same) on ebay for an implausibly low ‘buy it now’ price. It’s happened repeatedly. Each time a different seller with loads of feedback and 100% score but their other items are completely unrelated and description is very generic. On one occasion I could see that the images had blatantly been reused from someone else’s listing. Before I got wise, I got very excited thinking I might be able to get a pair of Beolab 28s for £5K, but thinking it too good to be true, sent the seller a message and asked why he was selling so cheaply and got no reply.  I decided to leave it well alone…

What I think is happening is that a scammer is hacking other people’s profiles, changing the bank details with the hope of getting paid when someone can’t help snapping up an apparent bargain.  Then speakers don’t arrive, buyer complains, scam seller is nowhere to be seen, perhaps the innocent schmuck whose profile got hacked has a nasty surprise. Ultimately ebay will protect the buyer, and its probably ebay out of pocket.

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I’ll post my experiences in case it’s helpful for someone else some day. I do find that it’s hard to find detailed information on how B&O devices work and interact with each other.

I’ve got the bass pretty well dialled in now, just a case of experimenting with wall vs corner position setting and the gain level.

I’ve tried it with a powerlink connection between BS Core and Transmitter 1. I really don’t perceive any detriment vs optical, in fact it’s really sounded good – could it be that when you choose your connected speakers in the BS Core, then whatever changes only take effect if connected via Powerlink? Then again it may just be my imagination…

I’ve discovered that the auto standby kicks in inconveniently quickly. It doesn’t matter too much if streaming because streaming will only start once the BS Core has woken up, but if you play content through the line-in/optical then it takes several seconds to wake up. I don’t mind that when I first start because I’ve programmed a ‘MyButton’ on the Beoremote One to switch on and select the optical input, but if you stop playback and leave it for even ~5 mins, then it’s a pain to have to remember to ‘switch it on’ again all the time so that you hear the start of what you play next.

 

 

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Erik wrote:

DT79 wrote:

Then if you go BS9000 to BS Core, you could also use a Beoremote One to control everything, as well as the app.

I have a Beo4 and was not planning on replacing it. If I only use the app, does the BS Core go to standby by itself when it is not in use?

DT79 wrote: I honestly think these days where it comes to streaming and digital there’s not a lot to choose between any of these sorts of devices, but if you’re outputting analogue that’s where differences really come in.

That’s also my understanding. This is why I am interested in the performance of the DAC in the BS Core compared to the 3rd party streamers that don’t cost an arm and a leg, considering the tech in the BS Core is considerably older.

Yes the BS Core will go into standby automatically.  I haven’t been able to ascertain the interval yet, but it’s not very long and doesn’t appear to be adjustable. You can actually switch it off from the app too.

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Eirikur Thorsteinsson wrote:

DT79 wrote:

I can say that the Core certainly isn’t letting the BL18s down!

Thank you for your input. Much appreciated. I agree, the BL18 has to be superior to the BL8000. If the Core isn’t letting the BL18s down, then the Core is probably good enough for the BL8000s and a BL2. For me the only question then remains, should I pay €650 for a used Core, when I can get a Cambridge Audio MXN10 for €500 (which is supposed to be better than the Wiim Pro Plus) or a Bluesound Node X for €700 (which is supposed to be better than the Cambridge Audio MXN10). In this regard I am only interested in sound. They all support Spotify and Tidal Connect, Google Cast and Apple Airplay which is enough functionality for my needs.

I think you can get a Beosound Core for less than that. I just picked up a s/h one in good condition for £300 on Ebay.  Then if you go BS9000 to BS Core, you could also use a Beoremote One to control everything, as well as the app.

I honestly think these days where it comes to streaming and digital there’s not a lot to choose between any of these sorts of devices, but if you’re outputting analogue that’s where differences really come in. I’ve not yet tried the analogue (PL) output of the Core as I’ve got it hooked up to a Transmitter 1 via optical, but I will give it a go at some point to see what, if any, difference there is.

 

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Eirikur Thorsteinsson wrote:

DT79 wrote:

I just got a s/h Beosound Core myself. I also have a Wiim Pro Plus in a different system. I haven’t compared them directly but Core > Transmitter 1 > BL18 + 19 definitely sounds a lot better than Wiim Pro Plus > Arcam AV9 > BL8000. so I can say that the Core certainly isn’t letting the BL18s down!

Could this be due to the fact that BL speakers don’t play well with 3rd party amps? I think I read that somewhere.

Don’t get me wrong the BL8000s in that system sound very good, just not as good as the BL18s which is to be expected.

[DT79]

Answered the question about the BS Core going in to standby by experimenting last night.

It’s generally sounding really good, but as with most other set-ups involving a sub that I’ve had over the years I’m struggling to get the level just right. I’ll have it sounding really powerful and impressive but proportionate on one track and then completely overblown on another. More playing to be done.

If someone could help me with the other questions above, that would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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Eirikur Thorsteinsson wrote:

The further I go down this rabbit hole, the more I am inclined to invest a bit more to get better sound, than the Wiims have to offer. I can buy a used Beosound Core for half the price of a new one. Does anybody know how the DAC in the BS Core compares to entry-level music streamers such as the Wiim Ultra Plus and Cambridge Audio MXN10?

I just got a s/h Beosound Core myself.  I also have a Wiim Pro Plus in a different system. I haven’t compared them directly but Core > Transmitter 1 > BL18 + 19 definitely sounds a lot better than Wiim Pro Plus > Arcam AV9 > BL8000. so I can say that the Core certainly isn’t letting the BL18s down!

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Got the Beosound Core installed and running. Initial impression is it sounds great and same as before, which is what you’d expect fed a digital signal, but it was late and couldn’t listen for long so I need to use the new system more.

Couple of questions for the experts please…

Do I need to set the switch on the Transmitter 1 to B&O system = Y, even if hooked up via Optical? I’m assuming that’s only for a powerlink connection from upstream?

Does it do anything when you set what speakers you have in the BS Core, and is there any way to specify that you have BL18 + BL19? On the Settings > Connected Speakers page in the app it appears to let you choose both, but it doesn’t load a picture, just what appears to be a placeholder of where the picture(s) is supposed to be, and each time you go in to that setting it appears to have forgotten what you selected the last time.  Whereas if you go in to Settings>Configure>Sound>Speaker Setup then you can choose your speakers, which it remembers, but it only allows you to choose one (can’t also choose a sub if using). So I selected BL18.

On that same page under Settings>Configure>Sound>Speaker Setup there is an option to select if you’re using a transmitter 1, which I’ve selected.  Does anyone know what that does? I couldn’t discern anything.

Does the Beosound Core automatically go into standby after a period of inactivity? I couldn’t quite figure out whether it was or not. I want to know the specific period because I want to check whether it still does it when the last played source is my turntable, because obviously there is a slightly elevated background noise coming from the phono stage.

Finally – does anyone know whether the Beoconnect Core (might get one depending on how i get on with the BS Core and whether I can tell any difference when hooked up to the Transmitter 1 via Powerlink) lets you select both speakers and sub as your connected speakers and whether the involvement of the Transmitter 1 has any bearing?

 

Many Thanks

Dan

 

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Currently got my BL18s & BL19 running wirelessly via a transmitter 1, being fed by my current amp (sounds wonderful).  I purchased a second hand Beosound Core which should hopefully be arriving today, which I’ll connect to the T1 via optical (will experiment with PL as well and if there’s no difference in SQ, might upgrade the BS Core to a Beoconnect Core in time).

I’ve got a turntable and a CD player as well which I use in preference to streaming if I’m sitting down specifically to listen to music, so I also picked up a second hand PS Audio Phono Converter which is a high quality phono stage and ADC combined and has a second (line) input that I can connect the CD player to, thus also working around the annoyance of the BS Core’s single input, in one handy device.

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Severed_hand_of_skywalker wrote:

I just wish it had more than ONE PL port.

I just wish it had an analogue input and an optical one rather than combining them both into a single socket. Oh and a proper digital  (i.e. SPDIF)  output.

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A “significant” improvement no less!

I find this interesting having just purchased a second hand Beosound Core. Up to now I’ve been running my BL18s with 3rd party subs and streaming amp, but over the weekend swapped out the subs for a BL19 and started running them off a Transmitter 1 (sounds great). My plan is to now swap the amp for a Beosound core which I’ll connect to the transmitter 1 via optical.

I’d already started thinking that if it works out with the Beosound Core, then it would be nice to go for the Beoconnect Core and get the more up to date functionality, but the only trouble is that I’d have to connect it to the Transmitter 1 via Powerlink, so the Beoconnect Core would be converting digital to analogue and then as soon as it hits the Transmitter 1 that will convert A to D, which all just seems frustratingly futile. Would any SQ improvement of the Beoconnect Core still be evident after that? Any way to make use of the USB-C digital out in this use case?

 

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I’m far from the expert here but I have spent a lot of time looking at Beosound Core and Beoconnect Core as potential options for my system.

I would think scenario two is best, because then you get the option of controlling the system source and volume selection (as well as streaming) via the app as well as use a Beoremote One, and if I’m not mistaken the latter could also be set to control the Beosound 9000. In this scenario though for optimal quality you should connect the BS9000 via its digital output and the digital input on the BS Core/BC Core. I think it’s a case of Coax out / Optical in, but you can get a converter for peanuts.

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