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  • #124377
    hcraig244
    SILVER Member

    And again with the desk lamp switched off, again not very close but I’m encouraged by the change in resistance from lamp on to lamp off.

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    #124384
    hcraig244
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    Connected the control panel back up with the cover still off the lampbox to view the operation of the lamp itself…I know these old incandescent lamps go off in time, and when I powered up sure enough the glow was a little subdued

     

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    #124386
    hcraig244
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    However I was astonished to see the platter spinning and the pick up marching happily across the deck and back!

    I have a very bright flourescent lamp above the workbench along with the desk top magnifier lamp, when I turned off the magnifier lamp the unit still functioned as above, when turning off the flourescent tube the pickup arm moved to the drop area and held up there….I will try later with the lampbox cover in place to see if it can be adjusted but having seen the above I’m thinking a new lamp with more lumens will be required, and in doing so i feel the photo resistors should be replaced at the same time….any advice Mark/Dillen?

     

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    #124397
    hcraig244
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    Lamp box cover back on, adjustment screws would all the way out and could not get the voltages at P5 pins 4 and 6 below 1,5v and 960mv respectively…and the pick up moved its usual 2cm and actually did wander very slowly further in…

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    #124399
    hcraig244
    SILVER Member

    Lampbox cover back off…..the voltages at P5 pins 4 and 6  840mv  and 630mv respectively….and the pickup moved nicely across the platter and returned to rest….looking good.

    New lamp and photo cells is my conclusion…unless anyone has anything to add? maybe replace the lamp alone would be enough?

    Craig

    #124578
    hcraig244
    SILVER Member

    New components have arrived….decided to replace the lamp and both LDR’s

     

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    #124581
    hcraig244
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    Separated the control panel PCB from the pushbuttons and de-soldered the two LDR’s and the lamp, soldered in the new components…the new LDR’s are smaller than the originals however I’m confident they will function correctly.

     

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    #124585
    hcraig244
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    Replaced the lamp box cover and connected the control box up…powered up and with a disc on the platted hit start, everything operated correctly, the platter spun, tone arm moved the drop position, and it dropped onto the disc, with no cartridge so I hit pause and the tonearm lifted and waited for the next instruction..,,I adjusted the LDR adjusting screws and managed to get them both to around 560mv (should be around 600 to 700) so we’ll see…..it may be due to slightly different LDR’s fitted? however when I operated >> and << everything worked fine….so I’m calling this a win!

    Just need to replace the carriage drive belt on this, replace the double sided tape on the wayward panels, set the carriage travel sensitivity once we have a cartridge fitted and this is done (famous last words I know)

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    #124601
    hcraig244
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    Belt replaced with new one and re-assembly commenced, had to think about this as its a while since I took it apart ;¬)

     

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    #124612
    Mark-sf
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    Actually what you are observing is the 8002 going into protection mode and locking out all functions. This can be caused by several faults:

    1. Failed Carriage Tachometer / Optical Encoder (Most Common)

    The tangential carriage drive spindle relies on an optical tachometer (an IR LED and dual photodiode assembly reading a slotted disk) to tell the CPU that the carriage is actively turning.

     The Failure: The original IR emitter LED (OPE1 on the board) frequently goes open-circuit over time.

     The Result: The carriage starts moving, but because the CPU receives zero “slide tacho” pulses from the sensor, it assumes the transport mechanism is jammed and cuts power to the carriage motor to protect it, freezing control inputs.

     Fix: Replacing the IR emitter diode (a common modern replacement is the Optek OP240 or equivalent) on the spindle encoder PCB.

    2. Servo Belt Slippage or Mechanical Binding

    If the electronic sensor is fine, the carriage may simply not be moving smoothly.

     The Failure: Old grease on the threaded lead screw and guide rails hardens, or the small rubber servo drive belt has stretched/perished.

     The Result: The motor turns or slips on the belt, the carriage stalls mid-track, and the missing optical pulses trigger the same 2-second safety timeout.

     Fix: Clean off old oxidized grease from the threaded shaft with isopropyl alcohol, re-lubricate with fine synthetic oil/grease, and replace the carriage servo belt with a fresh, correctly sized belt.

    3. LDR / Aperture Sensor Drift in the Control Panel

    The manual transport buttons (⁠<<⁠ / ⁠>>⁠) work by moving a mechanical light aperture between a small bulb and photoresistors (LDRs).

     The Failure: If the photoresistors age or the calibration adjustment screws in the control assembly drift, the resting voltage fed to the control op-amp rises above the threshold (resting target is ~0.61V).

     The Result: The CPU gets confused by the unexpected voltage rise during automated movement and halts the carriage drive.

     Fix: Re-calibrating the aperture adjustment screws on the control board according to the Beogram 8002 service manual procedures.

    4. CPU Board Solder Joints & Power Supply Capacitors

     The Failure: Cold solder joints around the microprocessor socket, edge connectors, or dried-out electrolytic capacitors on the main board causing supply voltage ripple.

     Fix: Inspecting the main board for cracked solder joints and performing a standard capacitor refresh if the deck is still running on original 1980s components.

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    #124615
    hcraig244
    SILVER Member

    Mark

    Thanks for the detailed explanation above, your bang on with the LDR / Aperture Sensor Drift in the Control Panel being responsible for the issue….and following replacement of the lamp and both LDR’s (changed them out as I was in there anyway) as detailed above, the set appears to be working fine. I still need to set the carriage travel sensitivity, as I have disturbed the original setting during the work carried out, will need a cartridge fitting to complete this…..watch this space ;¬)

    Craig

    #124637
    hcraig244
    SILVER Member

    Ok….received 2 cartridges in the post, fitted one and balanced the tone arm to neutral then set it to 1.0 gram. With the platter drive connections unplugged I hit play….tone arm moved to the correct position and dropped…however the carriage refused to move forward when nudged inward…hit stop and the tone arm moved back to rest.

    My view is that the tracking sensor lamp (like the << and >> manual operators) and possibly the LDR too has passed its/their best, tried again and this time measured the voltage to the lamp 14.68vdc…so good, concentrated on the adjustment screw and had some success….after several adjustments managed to get the unit to play over halfway through an album at which point it decided to stop and return to rest…did this a couple of times despite a number of attempts at adjusting the shutter….looks like everything else is functioning correctly however the lamp and as it will be exposed the LDR too will need replacing….the carriage isn’t moving forward every 2 or 3 rotations of the platter but will move forward after around 9 0r 10 rotations…clearly not good.

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    #124847
    hcraig244
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    Ok

    Parts have arrived from Martin and the exercise can go on removal of the carriage travel lamp isn’t easy

     

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    #124849
    hcraig244
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    Fortunately Beolover posted a blog detailing how to get to it which was a great help, lots of dismantling going on

     

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    #124855
    hcraig244
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    However despite the dismantling above I felt it was too difficult to try and remove the lamp and LDR in situ, not to mention soldering in the new components so i unsoldered the very fine connection wires and removed the small circuit board.

     

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    #124857
    hcraig244
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    This allowed me to remove and replace the lamp and LDR a lot more comfortably…….just need to re install the board and re-solder the wires….

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    #124876
    hcraig244
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    Ok

    All back together and time to set up the carriage transport sensitivity, however hard I have tried I cannot get the motor to drive even close to every rotation of the platter!…its doing nothing for around 10 rotations then turning too many times, its almost like its on/off control rather than proportional control! Gave up and opened a bottle of wine and considered the issue over a barbeque in the garden ;¬)

     

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    #124878
    hcraig244
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    Having cleaned the worm screw/bushing and rails with IPA I was confident I didn’t have an issue with sticky drive components….new sensor lamp and LDR rules them out. So as I have another two machines that, as far as I know, are working fine I tested one out with a disc in place and stylus inserted and to my delight found that this set has a transport Carriage that turns every rotation of the platter, well almost….probably every 2-3 on average.

    This established I removed all the mechanical parts (everything that sits on the chassis), leaving the main PCB/Control Panel and power transformer in the case, and installed the same parts from the fully functional deck….powered up and found I was getting the same issue as before….this eliminates all the mechanical components.

    To be sure I installed all the rogue mechanical parts  into the fully functional case and with a very slight adjustment of the tracking sensor shutter got everything working fine, transport motor rotating approx every 2-3 rotations of the platter

     

     

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    #124881
    hcraig244
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    Therefore….I have an electrical issue going on in the main PCB or Control Panel….I will check all the power supplies first off and make sure I have steady 5v and 15v supplies, also have a good look at what capacitors where fitted when it was re capped along with the solder connections on each, any advice will be appreciated (Mark….I’ looking at you) ;¬)

    I’m thinking back on this from when I replaced the control panel << and >> adjusted the LDR adjusting screws and managed to get them both to around 560mv (should be around 600 to 700) so we’ll see…..it may be due to slightly different LDR’s fitted? however when I operated << and >> everything worked fine….so I’m calling this a win!

    Could this be associated with the issue? looks like a separate circuit to me ??

    #124882
    hcraig244
    SILVER Member

    Starting to give the main PCB a looking at and I’ve noticed C4 in the tracking circuit has a value of 47uf as opposed to the prescribed 0.47uf. The manual and the capacitor kit from martin both identify o.47uf, to be honest I’m not sure exactly what effect this will be having….but its coming out.

     

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