[Rolf2]

In the old BeoMusic App the BV 10 is displayed as an icon. In the new app this functionality seems to be no longer active, as I, as well, get only the BLC on display.

I have not set up my BLGW properly for all my rooms, yet. However, for those I did, I get e. g. the BS 9000 icon in the respective room, either in the BeoLink 2 or in the BeoLiving app. So I guess, it is likely to get the BV 10 icon as well in both of them.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Hi Jonathan,

I have a BeoSystem 4500 using a BL 11 with two BL 3 for audio output. The 11 is connected to the BM 4500 via PL and from there the BL 3 are connected via PL as well. Works like a charm and is sounding so, so great. I have no experience with the BL 2, but here in the forum (mostly archived forums, I guess) are a lot of opinions available, stating that it is best for movies / blockbuster, whereas the 11 is best for music.

Since a couple of weeks, I am testing a S8 connected to my BV Eclipse (+ BL 18 + BL 4000) and it adds nice bass to the set up.

IMHO, the BL 11 would be a very good solution for your set up.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

In a „mixed“ NL/ML Network you have two options of „choosing“ the sound source:

One – you connect your ML device via BLC to your NL device. Then you „map“ the respective IR commands with the sources, i. e. B&O Radio to „Radio“ (ML). This should be possible for ASE and Mozart products. I can check with my BS Emerge.

Two – you join in on a current network playback

Your questions:

1 – Not quite sure what you have in mind when asking about „controlling“ a Mozart source with „the controls“ of an IR eye? To my knowledge, you can set a timer and connect / join in on a network playback, using the IR eye as a direct interface and that is all. I am referring to the round silver one with Timer / Play buttons, giving the possibility to control main room systems in a Link room. Joining in on a Mozart playback in the network is possible (Emerge, Balance in my case), about timer setting I cannot give any advice, sorry, I never used it. In case of using a Beo4, a BR1 in IR mode or an Essence remote in IR mode, it is possible to control the „borrowed“ sources of the connected NL device(s) to the ML device via the IR eye.

2 – I do not know how an Essence remote could replace an IR eye? One is a remote, the latter a transmitter of remote commands. Maybe you can explain more specifically?

3 – I can confirm that BL 2000 can join i. e. the Emerge, if it is active in the network (option two above). In this case you will be able to control the local sound functions of the unit, but not more. In case of option one above, you will be able to control the source, if you have it connected and mapped correctly. Since BL 2000 is a Link system, it acts like an IR eye in some way, transmitting the remote signals to the main room ML source. So, using a remote, you can use any commands you have connected and mapped. Using the control buttons of the BL 2000, only those which are connected and mapped will be functional. I. e., if you want to send the command for DVD, it will not be possible to use the BL 2000 directly, because the respective button / command is missing.

Hope that helps.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Ah, one thing to mention: I appreciate the possibility of various payment methods, e. g. PayPal. I seem to remember that before the change, it has only been possible via credit card?

[Rolf2]

Mark, Guy,

thank you for responding. I am aware of the Google option. However, searching the archived forum in Beoworld, one does not have to leave the platform, it is more convenient, at least for me. And it worked well.

Btw., finally renewed my gold membership. Thanks a lot for your support and that you keep Beoworld alive and running.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Hi, just want to ask about the status? I would really appreciate a working search in the archived forums, thanks.

kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

I use 18s as front and 4000 as rear speakers, the latter are daisy chained. They turn off if I change the profile e. g. from surround to stereo. My Eclipse is a 1st gen.

You say Beolab 9000 as rears, so you mean BL 9?

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

I use my (single) Balance as speaker for my BS 9000 via BLC. The Balance is relatively new in my set up and I experienced the same behaviour you are describing, e. g. when I came back home after a business trip and tried to join the Balance with the BS 9000 / BLC. Unplugging the mains of he Balance usually solved the case, one time I reset the unit. Another issue I experience is, that the app on my old iPhone 7 does not show the my buttons (the respective radio stations) and the sound setting of the Balance. This is also the case on my iPad which is solved through the above described procedures. I can join the BS 9000 / BLC with my Emerge as well. The Emerge does not show ML sources. I can join the Balance sometimes manually, via app and other times both ways. In the App all my BLCs are displayed as well as the other NL devices tapping the Balance, but all other systems, Mozart or not, only show the existing NL units. Connectivity of Airplay sources is working also.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Hello Oisans,

nice to hear that the B&O virus is spreading in your family 😀. I ´d like to add the BeoSound 3000 and 3200 to Olivier´ s list (and their predecessors like Overture, etc.). Together with the already mentioned BC 2 and 9000 they have the joint advantage that they can be remote controlled directly, being all-in-one music systems. Whereas for the solitary CD player your father would need an additional connecting Beomaster to do so. And in addition to the „B&O sound“ they offer a lot of „B&O magic“!

If you prefer to use a new up to date speaker or set of speakers, going along with the Emerge is a good way. I absolutely love my Emerge. Steve of Sounds Heavenly did a review of a pair of Emerges, concluding that they sound paired a good deal better than the single solution. I cannot contribute to that, listening to a single one only.

However, here’s my personal opinion, if you want to put a little emphasis on the „B&O sound“. I don ´t know through what music system and speakers your father listens to his CD collection. In case of classic and Jazz music I find the Emerge too limited regarding it´s sound capabilities. I would stress your given budget and propose you take the path to an iconic music system in combination with a pair of B&O speakers. E. g. like my set up of a BeoSystem 4500 (in case of your father Beomaster and BeoGram CD are sufficient) in combination with a pair of Beolab 3 speakers and a Beolab 11. Same speaker combination works very well with a BeoSound 9000. Then add a Beolink Converter NL / ML (BS 4500 requires a Beolink Converter 1611 additionally) and you can place the Emerge in another room and join the BeoSystem / -Sound and listen to CD via the Emerge. Put a little money in and buy a BeoRemote One Bluetooth, so you can access both systems with a handheld remote directly. Or, steer both, the BS 9000 and the Emerge, via the B&O App.

In your case, personally, I would opt for one of the Beosound music systems. Sliding glass doors, Aluminium wings, or six CD´ s on visible display, stopping always in the exact same position as they did start, that´ s beautiful and for me is part of the pleasure listening to music on a B&O music system. The modules of the Beosystems offer this magic as well, but – imo – then it has to be as part of a complete system.

Now I stop, but be aware that there are other systems / players which could be considered as well. BeoSound Moment with CD player module, BeoSound 5 with CD ripping device, BeoCenter 9500, ….

There are lots of possibilities, enjoy the journey!

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

P. S.: I guess this thread is not in the right Forum section? Should be maybe in the General Forum?

[Rolf2]

Hello Ulrik,

I have a BS 9000 integrated via BLC NL / ML. The physical connection works like this:

ML BS out to ML BLC in (in my case it’s the classic ML plug).

BLC Net Link out to your network router in (RJ 45). Connect BS and BLC to mains.

Then go to the BLC web interface and make your settings, e. g. choose one of your Essences or Cores or the Moment as primary and secondary sources.

I used to have it connected to a pair of BL 3 and a BL 11. Since my wife crashed one of the 3s and insisted on getting a BS Balance instead, I start my BS 9000 CD and join with the Balance. This is my primary speaker system now for the BS 9000. Since the PowerLink plug is still connected, I can control it via remote directly or via App or BLC (connected through a Halo).

This answers your last question: The BLC will show up in the App. It will be displayed via picture and under the name you gave it. In my case it says „BeoSound 9000“ 😁.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Great to be back! Need to adjust a bit, looking forward, eager for the next part of the journey ?.

[Rolf2]

Congrats Tom! Enjoy your beautiful BeoGram. I cannot manage to open the datafiles. Maybe you could upload them using the „upload images“ function?

Thank you for letting us know about your solution.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Congrats to your excellent purchase and for letting us know about your choice! Have fun with your BS2 and enjoy listening to beautiful, brilliant and at the same time powerful sound each day.

Eventually, you will think about your next B&O purchase – consider the Balance ?.

[Rolf2]

Hi Tom,

the tonearm should definitely be at the same height like the indicator arm. Did you try to adjust it like it is recommended in the service manual, chapter 5-2?

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

I guess you are referring to the comparison between their sound reproduction?

Soundwise, I agree with Lavie that the BS2 has a very clear sound and that it is so compared to the BS Balance. It appears to be a tad more transparent and defined to my ears. Whereas the Balance sound seems to have a bit more volume, be a little more enclosing. Both have a strong bass with good, warm sound reproduction. The Balance is even more powerful than the BS2. Having said this, the BS2 is also capable of shaking the boards and porcelain in a room. Try both, e. g. at a dealer outlet, listening to Freya Ridings „Lost without you“ when the deep bass sets in (guess that is at 1:27; generally for me a good reference for testing speakers). I use mine with loudness on and more bass over treble.

Comparing the design, you look at two totally different concepts. One is all metal and cone-shaped, the other is textil and wood or metal, being in the form of a vase. And the decision could also be influenced by the colors available.

Compared by size, the Balance appears  massive, where the BS2 is slender of built and a couple of centimeters taller. The base diameter is 20 cm for both.

Technically there will be most likely differences, but Im no expert in this field, apart from what the B&O website is providing (including a speaker comparison function). The Balance offers the – as far as I know – unique function of setting the sound direction to omni, left, right and front which is not included in the BS2.

Also, there may be differences, once you pair two of the devices as a stereo system. And, having not heard of making a difference in sound, but there have been different generations and variations of the BS2 in the past. I run a BS 2, gen 2, of 2019, and a Balance of the production year 2023.

I have been a fan of the BS2 design since it’s first appearance. But, seeing the Balance in flesh and having it in the right spot in our home, the design is very well fitting and catching the eye of the beholder like the BS2 does.

Hope that helps! (Best decision support will be to hear the units by yourself before buying.)

Kind regards,

Rolf

P.S.: And welcome to the forum!

[Rolf2]

Die BL 6000 sind für mich nach wie vor die schönsten B&O Lautsprecher. Minimalistisches Design und eine tolle Haptik, ein klarer, transparenter Klang.

kirin wrote:

Hatte das Glück, eisblaue mit weißer Bespannung zu ergattern ?

Glückspilz, Eisblau war die coolste Farbe im damaligen Angebot ?. Meine sind 2 x Alu (schwarz oder weiß) und 2 x Grün / Grün (dank Lee und dem Beoworld Prize Draw, thanks again!).

Innenleben bzgl Schaumstoff Gammel ist sicher ein Problem, aber es gibt anscheinend nicht so viele Ausfälle wie bei den 4000ern, die ihnen ähnlich sein sollen (?). Ich finde sie auch besser als 4000er.

Zum Vergleich des Innenlebens kann ich nichts sagen, aber zum Soundvergleich. Die BL 6000 waren mein erster BeoLab Kauf. Nach dem Kauf meiner BL 4000 (MKI) einige Jahre später habe ich diese dann im direkten Soundvergleich zu den 6000-ern getestet. Erstere sind für mich in der Tonwiedergabe wärmer, bieten vielleicht sogar etwas mehr Volumen an, zweitere sind, wie oben geschrieben, klar, transparent, fast ein wenig kühl. Ich habe gelesen, daß manche den 4000-ern mehr Basswiedergabe als den 6000-ern zugestehen. Das habe ich so nicht feststellen können. Wenn es um tiefere Töne geht, sollte man meiner Meinung nach beiden einen BL 11 zur Seite stellen (oder 2 ?, wie MM).

Wenn ich einen Vergleich zu aktuellen B&O Geräten ziehe wollte, dann sehe ich im klanglichen Vergleich zwischen BeoSound 2 (6000) und Balance (4000) ähnliche unterschiede in der Soundwiedergabe.

[Rolf2]

Millemissen wrote:

Zwei BL6002 vorne und zwei BL6000 hinten plus zwei BL11 (auch hinten)….und BS Theatre.  

@MM: Schließe mich Kirin an, wunderschönes Set up!

[Rolf2]

Ich hatte ein Setup BL 6000 vorn, BL 4000 hinten mit Wandhalterung. Center war ein BV 10-46, zusätzlich ein BL 11 rechts vorne. Für mich ein toller Sound, sowohl Surround als auch Stereo. Würde ich jederzeit wieder aufstellen oder empfehlen. Der Raum selbst ist ca. 38m2 groß. Die Aufstellung war ein leichtes „L“, d. h., die vorderen BL standen weiter auseinander als die hinteren, die „Hörfläche“ waren ca. 25 m2. Mittels Menü des BV gut einzurichten. Für mich sowohl für Filme als auch für Musik sehr gut geeignet.

Beste Grüße,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Gaea wrote:

I replaced the belts and used the Kose trading video to remove the wings

Yes, those videos are definitely a good knowledge source. Thanks for pointing toward it. Additional help is available in the BC 2 Service Manual, 5.3 – 5.5.

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