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That does help, thanks, it hadn’t crossed my mind to get a custom cable.
I’m going to wait until I have replaced my old BV7 with a Beosystem 3, then I’ll start experimenting further!
What I (and probably many of us) love about B&O is the way it works together, for example when I press Play on my Beogram 9500, the speakers connected to my BV7 switch on and I hear it. I’d like the same for the BS Moment but I honestly don’t think that will be possible when I also have a Beocenter 9500 as an A. Master.
It’s not working too badly though – given that the BS Moment can be easily controlled from its own screen, all I have to do is select TP.2 as the source, then I can play from the BS Moment using its own screen, which I keep within arm’s reach.
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Yes the BV7 has the same – in the connections menu you can choose to use one of the digital coax inputs for digital audio (A1 to A4). I’ve tried all 4 and none work.
The reason I stuck with the old BV7 is that is has a dedicated Powerlink output for Cinema Centre, which I have connected to a Beolab 7.4 in the centre of the room. That takes over as the centre speaker when the BV7 is put into cinema mode.
I rarely use the BV7’s own screen and instead use the projector when watching movies or gaming, so I think I will look out for another Beosystem 3 (Mk2 or 3). One will come up on eBay, if I’m patient.
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Well remembered – I did have a 1614 but don’t have it any longer – I gave it to a friend as I no longer needed it.
I’ve been experimenting for a few days, disconnecting and reconnecting cables, and finally I solved it! The problem was with the A.Aux cable that was connecting the BC9500 to the 1611.
I had another A.Aux cable which I use along with a BL Passive to drive my BV Cona subwoofer, so I swapped those two A.Aux cables, and I no longer get the buzzing feedback whenever the display updates on my Pentas. Luckily, whatever the problem was with the particular A.Aux cable, it does not seem to cause any issues driving the BC Cona via the BL Passive.
I have found however that the digital coax audio inputs on my old BV7 don’t seem to work – I have a HDMI matrix with a coax audio splitter and I know that works, but I don’t get any digital sound going into the BV7. I am therefore not getting full surround sound with my full set of surround speakers! I’ve tried every setting but I get nothing – the digital coax inputs on my old BV7 must not be working (I’ve tried all 4).
I used to have a Beosystem 3 and wish I’d kept it now – I use a projector for gaming and movies in this room, so I might as well get rid of the BV7 and find another Beosystem 3 (Mk2 or Mk3). At least that has direct HDMI inputs (without the need for DVI cables and splitters), and a lot more sound customisation options for the speakers.
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Somehow, and I have no idea how, the Moment has stopped responding to IR commands. I have no idea why, I must have changed a setting without realising it, but that works for me so I’m not complaining!
As for the buzzing noise in my Penta’s when the display changes – I’m now 90% sure it’s the 1611 Converter that is causing this. When I used my Beosound 4 instead of Beocenter 9500 (and therefore did not need toe 1611), I never got the buzzing noise. If I select a source on my Beovision 7 and change channel or volume etc, I don’t get the buzzing noise. I only get the buzzing noise when an audio source is selected, so it’s coming through thew BC9500 and the 1611 converter.
I have my 1611 connected by both A.Aux able and Powerlink (Mk3) cable. I unplugged the Powerlink cable to test if that got rid of the buzzing, but it didn’t.
It’ll take some effort because my cables are all routed and hidden, but I’ll try and switch out some of the cables between the 9500, the 1611 and the Pentas, in case one of them has a fault. It’s also possible I suppose that my 1611 has a fault.
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I don’t believe the Moment has and Option 0. Indeed, as the Moment in NL rather than ML, it doesn’t really have ‘options’ at all.
In don’t plan to get another Beolink Converter so I think I’ll leave it as it is. It works, even if I can’t control the Moment by RC.
I diod notice something about the bussing noise in the speakers though – if I play a CD, I get a single buzz noise as the track moves on to the next track. The display in my Biolab Pentas will update to show the track number, so I’m guessing the buzz is related to the display data.
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Thanks – I have looked at other threads already and done so again today but other than having more than one NL/ML Converter (and I don’t want to go to that amount of trouble), I don’t think there’s a solution.
I’ve tried every setting in the NL/ML converter and I’ve tried every setting in the Moment, but I can’t get full integration from any set of options. Either the Moment works through the speakers, or the Beocenter does, but never both.
Having the Moment to the Tape 2 input of my Beocenter via an adapter cable seems to be the best option for me then. At least it works.
One thing I’ve noticed from this set up though – when I select a source, or change the volume, or press any button really, I get series of between 1 and 3 short quiet buzz noises coming from the speakers. It seems to happen with any button press, whether by remote, or on the Beocenter panel itself. Probably caused by the 1611 converter as I never got that before noise before I connected that, but I wonder if anyone knows the cause?
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I have been experimenting with the Moment sand I’ve figured some stuff out. For Deezer, a premium subscription is required, so I got one, and now that works fine.
For TuneIn, a premium subscription may also be required, but I’m not going to bother with that now. I only really listen to BBC Radio stations (in particular, 6 Music) and they are not available in the UK via TuneIn, because the BBC would prefer UK users to use their own BBC Sounds app. Good for the BBC, but not good for the Moment.
If I want to listen to BBC Radio, I’ll just stream to the Moment via Bluetooth from my phone or tablet.
The Spotify question remains though – if anyone knows how to get Spotify Connect on the Moment, I’d be very grateful for the knowledge.
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Just to follow up on this, I tried another battery (charged fully in another handset), tried different bases and chargers, and much else. The behaviour continues – it comes on for a while but then loses power and sometimes makes strange noises – there has to be a fault inside the unit, but I’ve taken a look inside and can’t find anything obvious, so I’ve given up on it.
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Hi
Reinvigorating this thread as I’ve just bought a Moment myself, and would like some advice on it. I currenty use a Beosound Essence Mk2 for digital music, but the Moment appealed to me due to its dedicated screen, and it does look good too. I managed to get one for £200 (from a B&O dealer too), so it seemed a real bargain.
I know that the functionality is more limited now but I don’t seem to be able to get much on it at all. I have not yet connected my NAS drive for DLNA music but I’m sure that will work. What I’m having trouble with to begin with is TuneIn and Deezer.
TuneIn: I signed up for a free TuneIn account to try it, and I was able to add the account to the Moment, but then I see nothing – if I swipe to the Radio screen, it just says ‘Radio’ at the top, and no stations are displayed. I added some favourite stations to my TuneIn account on my PC, but I still see nothing on the Moment.
Deezer: I signed up for a free Deezer account to try it (I’ve always used Spotify premium before, but would be happy to move to Deezer if it works), and I can log into it on my PC and phone, but if I try to log into it on my Moment, it fails each time. I’m assuming this should still be working on the Moment – still supported?
Could it be that the Moment will only work with premium accounts on both TuneIn and Deezer? I’d be happy to get premium accounts on both, but would want to be certain they’ll work on the Moment first.
Also I’ve read that it’s possible to get Spotify Connect on the Moment by going into the service menu and sideloading it in the android backend – does anyone know any more on how to do that?
One thing that has worked okay is streaming to it via Bluetooth – so at least I’ve been able to get it to play something!
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My Beogram RX2 is fitted with standard RCA plugs rather than the usual B&O DIN plugs, and my understanding is that this is normal for the RX2 and TX2, as they were intended for the wider market (in fact, my own RX2 is connected to a modern, non-B&O amplifier via standard RCA connection).
You just need an RCA (female) to DIN adapter such as this one (but I’m sure you could find something better quality if you shopped around), and use that to connect it to the phono input of your 8500.
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I had done a reset already yes, but I didn’t know about that new battery code – thanks.
I had left it on charge overnight and when I checked it this morning it was powered on and wanting to search for a base.
I entered the battery reset code you provided, and it said ‘battery flat’, then after a little while, it switched off.
I’ll leave it on charge again while I am at work today and see what happens when I get back. If I don’t have any luck I’ll try another battery – I have some new spares. This one may be faulty.
Thanks for the knowledge. New useful info, from you, again!
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I got hold of a Beocenter 9500 pretty cheap because it needed new tape belts (I know I can fix that though, done it before), and it has a cracked glass panel but otherwise in great condition. I’ll find a new glass panel for it, given time.
However, it also suffers from another common problem – the Speakers 1 outputs don’t work. I know this will be due to a faulty mute relay, but I’m useless with a soldering iron and my last attempt to fix that same issue in an old BC9000 only made it worse.
However, I do have a full amplifier component from a Beocenter 8500 which I stripped down for parts a while ago. Can anyone tell me if the BC9500 and BC8500 amplifiers are the same?
I intend to use the BC9500 with active Beolabs, but all the same, it’d be nice to have it fully working.
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Ah thank you, I had no idea the internals were so very different in the 9300.
I don’t think I’ll ever have use for the 2-way remote capability of the 9500. I have a two Beo6 remotes but my understanding is that while that is a 2-way remote, that’s not compatible with the 2-way system in the 9500. I think the 2-way functionality of a Beo6 is only for the BS5 Encore (which I don’t own).
However, the lack of a phono stage in the 9300 is a deal breaker – I’ll make sure I look for a 9500 instead then, not a 9300.
I’ve restored a few in this range before (8000, 8500 and 9000) so it’d also help me that the 9500 has many of the same components that I’m familiar with, unlike the 9300.
Thanks both for your help.
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It works okay for me when my Beosound 4 is connected. If I select N.Music or N.Radio, my system powers up, including the Beolabs that are connected to my BV7 TV, and that source plays (for N.Music, that’s digital music stored on my NAS).
The complication with using my Beocenter 8500 instead of the Beosound 4 is that I have to add a 1611 converter into the mix as well, and also the fact that both N.Radio and Phono would both be trying to respond to the same source selection.
Damn B&O for recycling Phono to N.Radio. The love/hate relationship continues.
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Agreed. Since I put the new battery in it seems to be a bit brighter, and I might be kidding myself but I swear each time I take it out of its base, it gets a bit brighter.
Of course, the landline hardly ever rings so I’ve just been picking it up occasionally for no reason!
It’s mostly just there because it looks very, very good there.
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In the BLC web settings there’s a Sources Visible on ML tab, an Experience Mapped to NL tab and an IR Mapping tab. I’m pretty sure I’ve exhausted every combination of settings on all three of those tabs now!
I’ve ordered the cable for my IR Eye to connect it to the BLC. I’ll see if I can experiment further with that.
I’ve also dug through some of my old stuff and found that I already have an RJ45-Powerlink to RCA cable, and I also have some RCA to DIN adapters, so I will at least be able to connect the Essence to the Tape.2 input of my BC8500, and control the Essence’s sources with the app on my phone. At least that’s something.
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Ah, I’ve just read this in the BL Converter NL/ML installation manual:
IR mapping settings are only relevant if Power Link speakers and IR receiver are installed.
By which it means PL speakers connected directly to the BLC.
I can understand why IR Mapping might only work via an IR Eye that is directly connected to the BLC. I do have a spare IR Eye but I don’t have the correct cable top connect it to the BL Converter. I’ll order one so I can give it a try.
I don’t however see why it says the PL speakers would need to be connected to the BL Converter directly for this to work. That’s never going to work for me as I have a full set of surround speakers, hence they are connected to the BV7 TV.
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I’ve been experimenting for the full afternoon today, I think I’ve tried every configuration and option available! If I make one thing work, another stops working. It seems that using the three generations together just isn’t going to work.
I disconnected the 1611 converter and BC8500, set the NL/ML converter as an A.Master, and then tried to use IR Mapping to activate N.Radio with a different source button, but none of it worked. N.Radio on my Essence will only respond to the N.Radio button, no matter what I do in the NL/ML converter’s IR Mapping settings.
I have one option left – if I decide I can’t live without the BC8500 and BG8500 in my office (in place of the BS4 that I have been using), I could just get a cable (RJ45 Powelink to to 5 pin DIN) to connect the Essence to the Tape.2 input on BC8500. It means I would lose the ability to control N.Music or N.Radio with my Beo4/Beo6 remotes, but I might be prepared to live with that. That would take the NL/ML converter out of the equation, and if so I might as well disconnect the BL Gateway too, as I don’t really have much use for that other than as an interesting toy.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but alas, it didn’t work. The results were the same.
I also tried removing everything else out of the network – just the BV7 and the BC8500 connected together (via the 1611), and found something unexpected – if I select a source on the BC8500 panel, the speakers don’t power on. They’ll only power on if I select a source on the remote.
I assume this is a limitation of the 1611, and that won’t work for me, so I’ll go back to using the BS4 in that room, I think.
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Today I attempted my experiment using both a 1611 converter and an NL/ML converter in the same system. It didn’t work.
The 1611 is doing its job – my speakers are connected to my BV7 TV and if I select Phono (or N.Radio) as a source, my BG8500 starts up and I hear it, and I can control it by remote. Therefore the 1611 is doing its job – taking the A.Aux link from my Beocenter 8500 and bringing it into my ML network. And yes – I did ensure everything else was already connected before I powered the 1611!
However, I cannot get sources to play from my Essence Mk2. I have tried using the NL/ML converter’s options to make it work but it won’t. For example I have tried mapping source DVD2 (which was unused) to the Essence for N.Radio, but when I press DVD2 on my Beo4, I get nothing. I’ve tried the same with N.Music too – but got nothing.
Using the B&O app (on Android), if I start to play digital music from my NAS, or B&O radio, it shows as playing in the app, but I get nothing else.
The NL/ML converter has a log page and all I am getting is this, when I try to select DVD2 as a source:
Mar 16 10:06:02 (none) BLC[1141]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 16 10:06:02 (none) BLC[1141]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]So, it’s looking like the BL Converters from two generations aren’t going to talk to each other. Shame.
I’ll leave it all wired up for now in case anyone has any questions, solutions or ideas!
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