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the guys in Selfridges only know so much though (I’ve been there a number of times, and much prefer my local dealer in Islington tbh). That aside, I wouldn’t expect the Mozart as surrounds functionality for 1 year at least.
B&O will spend much of the next few months ironing out the initial software kinks and glitches, and likely only then turn their attention to Mozart surround. I also dont think its a very simple task at all.
Wrapped up in all this is “BeoLink Multiroom”, the spec for more recent speakers – and I dont really understand the exact differences between that and the previous Network Link.
Given all the problems people seem to have with pairing Levels etc, or with wireless connectivity issues on BL28s, I’m very sceptical that B&O will get this Mozart surround issue sorted any time soon.
Its definitely far more capable on paper – though the Harmony is no slouch, and remember many of those who proclaim the power / capability of the Theatre (and I wouldn’t necessarily disagree) also said the Harmony (at launch time) was way more capable than the Eclipse and super impressive sound wise.
If I had a Harmony, and presumably part of that would be because I really liked / lived the design, then I very much doubt I’d be changing to a Theatre setup. A Harmony with decent surround speakers is already more than enough / very impressive for most living rooms.
The Theatre in my living room setup, with BL50s fronts and BL17s as rears is way way over the line of overkill. But B&O made something (not criticising) far more than just a centre speaker, which is really what I really only need. But it is what it is, and its time for me to move on from my 12-65 to OLEDs, and I’ll swallow the price of the Theatre – especially as I expect it to last long into the future.
Indeed, though thats not very surprising to me.
I imagine most Harmony owners will prefer the unified nature and movement of the more one piece Harmony, especially with its movement. And for all that the Theatre sound is a different animal to the Harmony, setup preferences / decisions are not just about sound alone.
The other factor I suspect dealers are reflecting is the “all app” control / setup / settings of the Theatre – there are no settings that can be brought up on the LG screen, and many have reflected that the setup / settings changing in the app is odd, flaky and not as intuitive as before.
So as upgrades go, the Theatre will clearly be a lot more compelling for those coming from older generation BV’s. I’m coming from a BV 12-65 and an Avant 55, so it’s a more obvious upgrade in my case. I have 2 Theatres coming in the next few weeks.
Some of my upgrade excites me – having a OLED screen etc, but some part makes me a bit sad. it will take me some time to get over the garish non-B&O UI on the TV, and secondly my wall mounted Theatre + G series LG will clearly not be Beovisions.
Oh well.
even the 55 Theatre has wings, though they’re very small / short, so many won’t see them as “wings” as such…..but even if you dont attach those very small / short pieces for the 55 inch version, the sides won’t be rounded.
You’re looking at it from a family situation perspective. For those with smaller households, or single person households like myself, its a much more obvious usage scenario.
And remember, it worked perfectly well (sync wise) before, so its not obvious what the issue now is. If there is a technical reason its likely in the Eclipse/Harmony/ Theatre – a BS2 cannot be in sync with those, but can be with a BV11, for example.
Anyway, its not a deal breaker for me, I can work around small sync issues. But that won’t be the case for all.
The one thing I would say is that we know they are working on allowing / making possible other standalone products as surround sound speakers i.e. with a Theatre.
As part of this. sync issues must be sorted by necessity.
What we dont know is whether older products (on the ASE platform – like BS1 / 2, A9, M3 etc etc) will gain this ability / benefit or whether its just the newer Mozart enabled speakers (Level, Balance etc).
I wouldn’t expect anything on this front for 9 months though.
Just been to my dealer to talk Theatre setup etc.
The option of expanding out the audio (from video sources) to other B&O speakers – lets say, A9 / BS1 / M3 etc etc) – works, with the Theatre as a starting viewing experience, but the joined speakers are not in sync. There is no option you can adjust the sync with either.
He is pretty confident that once Speaker Link (what effectively replaced Network Link for newer products) is built out – which I think it should – then yes, the streams should be in sync.
So a halfway house at the moment – and we tried (and got the same “yes, but out of sync” results) using (A) regular TV fed to the LG/Theatre using a aerial cable (B) Netflix internal to the LG and (C) and HDMI to the Theatre external source (XBOX)……all with the same result.
As I said before I think, the Eclipse generation BVs seemed to allow audio from video to be shared, but they were never brought into sync over time. All a bit different to the BS4 generation BVs (BV11 / 12 etc etc) where there was the clear option to “share audio from video” and they were all largely in sync.
Anyway, hope that helps. I guess if its a deal breaker for you, then you may want to wait for Speaker Link to be updated/ improved to bring things into line.
Thanks for that.
Yes, I already use a BR1 with my current BV’s, and pressing the Guide on the BR1 when watching SKY does indeed bring up the SKY planner/guide, as one would hope expect.
Sounds like that is indeed still the case with the Theatre setup, which is good news.
Not sure why my dealer told me otherwise.
Thanks for the write up, very informative.
Can I ask a quick question re controlling Sky Q. I am presuming you are using a PUC cable between the Theatre and the Q box to allow Beoremote 1 control.
When you have Sky Q selected as an input, and are watching, does the Guide button on the remote control actually bring up the Sky guide/planner? Or, as my dealer tells me, does pressing Guide actually pull up the internal tuner TV guide? and therefore, to access the Sky planner requires a few button presses (I think Home/Menu on the BR1 and then finding the guide function from a list of commands)
I ask as am thinking of moving to a Theatre setup, from an older BV12-65 setup – and in my current setup, if I am watching Sky pressing Guide on the BR1 works as it should, and brings up the Sky guide/planner.
What my dealer describes would seem like a backwards step integration wise, but am looking for someone to confirm.
Sorry for the question, but as someone with a Theatre and Sky, I was hoping to get some clarity.
Otherwise, congratulations on the set up.
Exciting stuff!
Just out of interest, what screen are you planning on using with your Theatre? And what is the mounting scenario / situation. (unless you are using a projector, I cant quite remember)
Yeah, that issue it seems can be overwritten once the profile is created from the mic calibration process. That said, its both highly bizarre and disappointing that the mic calibration (I was there when it was done) runs through its process ok, but then you’ll find (something like) a ceiling speaker allocated the centre front role, and so on and so on……all pretty basic stuff, so its puzzling why this is going wrong.
My dealer had the same problems with the setup – the app setup process + mic calibration process allocated the speakers to the wrong roles.
In the end, he had to accept that imperfectly created profile, and then fix it by editing the group and overwriting the settings of each individual speaker.
There seems to be a broader issue, as this seems to have been seen a lot.
I didnt click Control to explore its sub menus I’m afraid.
just got back from my dealer, and was playing with a Theatre setup – on the BR1, I could see the Control option under the list option. So I think you’re all good.
Hi there, I am a BL50 and Roon (Nucleus) owner and user.
While I understand some of your post and question, I dont quite see what you setup is or what you setup is going to be (my apologies).
Speaker wise, what do you have or what are you looking for setup wise?
What outputs do you have coming out from your NUC?
There is one forum user who uses a Nucleus direct into a pair of BL50s, using the USB audio out on the Nucleus and the USB audio in on the BL50s (not sure if the 28s have that same USB audio in).
My usage is Nucleus into Linn streamer/DAC, and then RCA out into a pair of 50s (mixture of Qobuz and my stored music)
Out of interest, why are you looking at a 4.0 speaker array? I’m fine myself with using 2.0 for music, but thats just me,.
Big picture though, for all that the 50s (and 90s) are incredibly capable speakers, B&O dont in my view make an audio source / connection hub that serves those speakers well.
Thanks, I was wondering if NL utilised / worked through DLNA actually given your prior response. Not an expert, so happy to defer.
The question about sharing audio from video sources remains I guess – both Andy and I are coming from pre-Eclipse BV’s, and the clear menu option to allow the above was both reassuring, and as users we could see it working well.
How this all worked on the Eclipse / Harmony (was the menu setting even there?) is less clear, at least to me. Again, on the BV11 generation, all sources worked seamlessly, irrespective of being internal or external video sources to the BV11.
And the question presents itself again on the new Theatre – I’ll have a go and test what I can at my dealers tomorrow.
Must be me then, though I dont quite see why DLNA is relevant to the scenario in question.
Anyway, I asked Mike (of the podcast) about the Theatre and getting other devices (he has things like M3’s and BS1’s) to pick up the audio part of a TV broadcast playing on his Theatre.
He’s had his Theatre at home for about a week now, and will test it out today.
I’ll come back with his answer.
The answer may not be as comprehensive as Andy / I would ideally like, as he will only be able to test this for sources internal to his Theatre/LG setup, as he has no external video sources connected via HDMI into the Theatre.
So while internal video sources may distribute (their audio) to other products, to fully replicate the functionality of the BV11 (for ex), then we’d need to see it work for external sources too.
I think Andy’s question is different to music sharing across rooms.
Like me (unless I am sorely mistaken) the question is that if a BV Theatre setup is playing a video source (be that live TV, Netflix or whatever), can one chose a BS2 or A9 (for example) in a different room play / join the audio part of the video/live Tv playing elsewhere on the BV Theatre.
That is / was possible on BV10/11, BV12, Avant etc (i.e those on the BS4 platform) – those BVs have a menu setting for “share audio from video sources”.
Being still on an older BV, like myself, Andy is asking whether that functionality is available on the Theatre. I actually dont know whether it is available on the Eclipse / Harmony either, or whether that option was removed.
Its a use case I take advantage of reasonably often – for example if I’m watching the news, or the cricket etc on my living room BV12-65, I often go into the kitchen and just tap my BS2 which will then pick up the audio / sound from the BV12.
i.e Network Link took care of everything.
I’m popping in to my dealer on Friday, and will try and test out this specific scenario
apparently the Emerge will re-emerge as a non Mozart speaker.
Which would be very amusing.
thats my guess too, as in it should work.
The app seems to do all the settings for the Theatre, and I’ve seen the section within the app for Theatre settings where PUC device control is setup and assigned.
So it should be ok, but until someone does it at home, its going to be hard to say for sure.
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