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My understanding is this that if you have a bunch of Matter enabled devices at home, you will still one device that can act as a Matter hub. The difference in this world being you only need one hub device, not the current situation where some use cases / devices combinations require >1 hub.
Newer Apple TVs are the obvious example where many will already have a Matter enabled hub device at home already
I’d second and echo Mr.10Percent’s comments and reasoning.
very similar thinking, though my equipment is slightly different. My BL50s are fed by a Linn streamer / DAC, and I have a Roon Nucleus server. The Roon is not strictly necessary, but I have quite a lot of ripped Cd’s stored on it, some of which are not on streaming services. And additionally I wanted to use the Roon UI for my music browsing / listening. The Roon Nucleus server feeds my Linn DAC/streamer, but it also sends music to my other B&O single speakers in other rooms via Airplay (Beosound 2 and A9).
Having 50’s, using the B&O app for music and Deezer within it all seems like an unsatisfactory experience, especially given the 50s cost. The Linn player (I have one of their upgraded DAC options), with Roon (I use Qobuzz within it) and the excellent Roon UI all add up to a much better experience. It also has a phono stage, so my turntable also goes through the Linn to the 50s. First class experiment for fist class speakers.
In addition, as alluded to above, and I wouldn’t underestimate this, the Linn player I have is modular, can be changed or upgraded, and offered me not only the above superior music experience but also a B&O independent path, if I was to cut out Beovisions (i.e a B&O brain). My Linn DAC can be fitted with a surround sound module, for example.
Anyway, from my reading here over recent years, it seems some 50/90s owners are perfectly happy with a Core/Deezer Hifi, some use a Roon Nucleus into their 50/90s, some use just a 3rd party streamer(or +DAC), and then there are odd bods like myself who use Roon Nucleus+3rd party streamer.
Sounds like we are on the same page, especially as our setups for music listening (direct to 50s/90s) are broadly similar. I’m pretty sure we benefit from the external 3rd party DAC doing its stuff, and as you infer, taking out the BV pass through process.
Unless I’m missing any nuances, if he has indeed noticed something similar,. and prefers music when the 28s operate on their own (i.e fetch the stream themselves, and are blind to the Theatre), then why not continue that way, especially if it sounds better?
do you have the option of connecting the 9000 to the BL28s directly?
isn’t the main difference amongst your 3 scenarios that the first includes the Auralic DAC?
Similarly here, my direct to 50s path involves my Linn DAC (pulling from my Roon Nucleus), and is much nicer sound wise than if I bypass the Linn DAC, and pass the same source stream through the Beosystem 4 and powerlink to the 50s.
Seems to me that some (assumed) high q DACs are a good option for speakers like 50/90s (and perhaps 28s too)
Similar to my experience with my Beosystem 4 and BL50s.
Directly feeding the 50s, and bypassing the BS4, was a good deal more preferable sound quality wise.
Theatre sing installed in 8 days time, nothing will change re my music listening – I’ll continue to bypass the Theatre.
doubt anyone here has…in the end B&O customers are very unlikely to have auditioned the LS50’s.
For the record though, I suspect KEF have done plenty of things well with the LS50s, given how successful they’ve been.
not sure what sound capacity precisely means, but they surely cant add up and side firing speakers to the existing Harmony design.
I can see the Harmony perhaps being updated to process Atmos etc, and perhaps Mozart. But I wouldn’t expect anything more than that.
Just my opinion though.
The 17s were 2600 GBP at launch.
But as you say, the price rose to a point that when I bought my 18s in 2015, the 17s were only a bit cheaper….so I went with 18s quiet happily.
That said, now that I have 50s up front (18s now gone), I am changing my rear 3s in my living room for rear 17s…..and am quite looking forwards to it!
Thanks, and yes I agree, it shouldn’t be beyond the realms for the Picture mute to be implemented.
Not something that is relevant to my music use case, but I can definitely see the need for it.
What player is that by the way?
just asking out of interest…
well put indeed – and until now, and prompted by MM, I didnt realised that a player outputting LPCM is limited to multi channel and will downmix any object based audio. So I’m completely onboard with your sentiment. Whether anything actually changes on the Theatre w.r.to DTS-X, I doubt unfortunately.
It does worry me a little (and I’ve thought this since its launch) that the Theatre+LG is made / designed more for standalone use with streaming services, than the previous Beosystem focussed products. No matrix support, fewer PUC ports etc etc all add to this impression. Anyway, forgive the digression.
wow thanks, I was indeed missing something, so that was useful.
Doing a small amount of digging online, it seems that a player decoding into LPCM is limited to multi-channel (2.0, 5.1 or 7.1) but not the object based data.
I’ll go and have a scan though my discs now to see what the mix of formats I have (although thus far my discs are blu-ray not UHD blu rays, so no object based channels).
With a DTS encoded disc, surely can we not just get the disc player to output PCM to a Theatre?
I might be missing something, but I thought it was just a matter of choosing which device in your chain does the decode/ unpack of the source signal. So whether the player does, and sends out PCM, or alternatively it sends bitstream (i.e no decoded) onwards should not really make any / much difference.
Obviously with a Theatre not doing DTS-X, one would need to get the media / disc player to do the job and just send out PCM.
Or am I missing something?
With a DTS encoded disc, surely can we not just get the disc player to output PCM to a Theatre?
I might be missing something, but I thought it was just a matter of choosing which device in your chain does the decode/ unpack of the source signal. So whether the player does, and sends out PCM, or alternatively it sends bitstream (i.e no decoded) onwards should not really make any / much difference.
Obviously with a Theatre not doing DTS-X, one would need to get the media / disc player to do the job and just send out PCM.
Or am I missing something?
@BeoMedia……Dont believe so – the only way of achieving your scenario is (and forgive me, I dont know what other speakers you have in the same room) is to directly connect a music source to your (lest say) front left and rights.
I have a music source direct (via RCA) to my BL50s (which are also powelink connected to my BV)….in that way I can keep the BV screen on (let’s say with some sport on), switch it to a centre only speaker group (muted or low vol, up to you), and then the 50s are free to play music when I trigger my music source.
So this kind of thing is do-able, provided you have speakers with power-link and some other connection options, and you have a separate music source connected that way,
no power amp required
While I dont know the answer, Christian is quite often on Discord, and reasonably forthcoming.
You could try asking him your questions there, you pretty likely to get an answer there.
its pretty cool,. though makes you feel sorry for the turntable sitting there!
oh definitely agree – though in this case, my dealer knows his stuff very well, set up their listening room himself etc, and is not just a salesman.
But it’s a new product, so who knows. He did carefully describe the above *no duplication behaviour to me. Whether thats changed somewhat in beta, one can only speculate….
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