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Furthermore….those concerned about audio quality should know that one has to change this setting in Apple Music to ‘on’ – by default it is ‘off’.

Otherweise it won’t matter, whether you use a wired or a wireless (AP2) connection or not.

MM

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For those without a Mac……..another way to do this could be to use an iDevice and an external DAC with a lightning input port such as the small Apple adapter – respectively the USB-C version of it.
There might be lightning DACs with a toslink output – I do not know of any.

I wonder if one could connect the Essence Remote to the iDevice in order to control volume and – maybe – switch tracks…..wirelessly?

Just thinking out loud ?

MM

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Carolpa wrote:

Again technically speaking if he want to feed the Core with a higher resolution music files from his Apple ecosystem, then he has, to my knowledge, skip AirPlay altogether and use the toslink connection.

With that I certainly agree.

But Leo asked: “is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?”
And that was the question, I tried to answer.
I guess a lot of people prefer a wireless version (AirPlay) and also not many use a Mac as the daily music driver.

For me the bigger question though, is whether the difference matters – and if not the convenience of wireless is worth it?
That is a question, that only the actual listener can answer.

Maybe the mastering quality, the listening room and the speakers (and ones hearing ability) are the more important factors!

MM

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Carolpa wrote:

Leosgonewild wrote:

If I have understood correctly, Airplay 2 is not lossless. This means that if I am using Apple Music on my iPhone and transmitting to my Beosound Core via Airplay 2, I am not listening to its full potential. what I have done is that I run a toslink cable from my Mac mini into the Beosound core. I could also run a toslink from my Apple TV into the Beosound core. is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?

Technically speaking Airplay 2 is lossless because it supports formats up to 24bit and 48kHz (= above the resolution for CD).

to my knowledge the best method to play higher resolution with the Apple ecosystem will be the use of the toslink connection between the Core and the Mac mini

This is not a question about higher or standart resolution.
AirPlay 2 is always lossy – in order to have less strain on the wireless network and a better sync between the receivers.
A higher resolution distributed through APE2 would also be lossy (using AAC).

MM

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@Leo
That is correct – whether one will be able to hear the difference is another question, though.

What you could do, is to connect an old AirPort Express via toslink to the Core and stream to that.
The APE is Airplay 1, when you only stream to that….no multiroom (as soon as you use multiroom, it is AirPlay 2 = lossy).

What then would happen, when you use Beolink Multiroom from there, is not quite clear – years ago B&O wrote that Beolink Multiroom is distributed as CD quality.
However, that just says, that it is 16/44.1. It does not say anything about compresset (lossy) or not!

MM

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That is not possible – unless you’d use the line-in connection of the Stage.

But it would make no sense – too fiddly and totally run contrary to the purpose of the Stage.
Why not just choose a Beolab center speaker such as the 7-4 or one of the 7-x line?
That would give you a powerfull center speaker with the Almando.

If you are after the smart audio functions of the Stage, connecting a Core to the Almando would be the better choice.

MM

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Es gibt zwei – oder eigentlich drei – Möglichkeiten!

Entweder den Powerlink Anschluss vom Core an A.Aux in BS3000 verbinden.
Oder umgekehrt, A.Aux vom 3000 zu line-in/Core – wenn ich mich recht erinnere, hat die A.Aux sowohl Ein- und Aus- Verbindung….das richtige Adapterkabel muss benutzt werden!

Die dritte – und die weit aus beste – ist das Zwichenschalten von einem ML/NL Converter, der genau zu einem solchen Zweck damals gemacht wurde.
Den gibt es allerdings nur second hand – und muss erst ein mal konfiguriert/programmiert werden, bevor der richtig funktioniert.

Persönlich würde ich – insbesondere wenn keine anderen ML- oder NL-produkte vorhanden sind – die erste Möglichkeit empfehlen.
Der Core müsste dann als ‘fixed line-out’ programmiert werden, damit der Volumenkontrol nur einmal vorhanden ist (in BS3000/Beo4). Die Quellen vom Core werden über die apps eines Handy/Tablet ausgewählt/kontrolliert. Die Lautsprechen sind beim 3000.

MM

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Please notice that a ‘7 Pin DIN Male to Dual RCA Male Cable Audio Adapter’ will have RCA connections for “in” and “out”.
Be sure to use the right pair of the RCA’s.

P.S.
You do not ‘set the remote to option 6’.
You set the link device to option 6, which is done seperately for each of those, standing before the ir eye.
The red light of the ir eye should blink once as a respond to the option command.
Also see here.

MM

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Sandyb wrote:

Mr.Anderson has seemingly agreed to appear on the Sunday podcast, at some point in the hopefully near future. I’ll post when something is confirmed, as people may have questions etc they want to submit, or just listen.

That would be nice!
I would like to ask about the roadmap for the app, where are they heading?
Who are the costumers they have in mind, when making these changes?

And more???

MM

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Hi again Leo

So, I did manage to get one of the ‘covers’ off….actually using my fingernails.
This however, was not without some hesitating, I was really worried to break it.
It looks like this – and seems to have been made for putting on once and never removed again.

I then tried with the other one, this time using a guitarpick like tool.
But stopped, becase I was really worried about damaging this one, which is fully functional.

How did you do that?
Or did you instead mean to lift off the ‘label’ (with/without the Bang & Olufsen logo)?
In that case how did you do that??

MM

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Hi Leo

Thanks – I did not think of that.
Will try….if that can be done without damaging.

Of cource I’d like to have the faulty one fixed – nothing that I will try to handle myself, though.

Must ask my dealer next time I am there, what he thinks.

Maybe it will be better to chase down another (functioning) table model.

The wall one – the wall one – was rather hard to find.
So I hope, that swapping the plastic parts will do the job.

MM

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The 8’s as surround height speakers….
…..maybe a bit overkill – unless you have loads of money and/or your room calls for it.

Otherweise I would not change the anything – seems to be a killer setup ?

MM

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The thread about the “Universal Link Adapter” is here

……in case someone is interested.

MM

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I guess that depends on how much money you want to spend, whether you like to flash your (B&O) gear…..or how much you want to use vinyls.

MM

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Sandyb wrote:

You can enter a Feature request – in the App Feature Request thread – in Discord. Mr.Anderson of the app dev team asked me to set up a section there (its under B&O Engagement), and there is a master list of outstanding feature requests there, for B&O to look at. While i imagine you have provided your feedback through other means, I only mention it to you as the B&O guys have a specific place on the Discord server where they check in and look at a collated list of feature requests. Anyway, just a passing thought.

I started this thread because I wanted to know what people think about the appearance of the different app versions from an aesthetic, visual point of view.
The quirks with the newest app version – what does not work etc – is another can of worms.
These issues should better be discussed in the long Beta thread here.
This thread was by no means meant to take over…

I think it is fine that Mr Andersen and the app team is present on the Discord/B&O.
However, Mr Andersen used to be on Beoworld from time to time – and I guess the long app thread here could give some inspiration for the team.

Personally I am more or less arrived at a point, where I think that this has no sense anymore – Mr Andersen and the team are doing their thing no matter what. I have yet to see how many of the ‘requests’ on the Discord/B&O have been taken serious.
Lately they seem take make changes in the app without telling people how to execute these…..according to Willy in the Beotalk show this sunday.

My 5.3 beta version will soon expire and there is no way going around the new version, whether one likes the appearance or not.
So I will probably use the app less than before (unfortunately)……but I have my BROnes, which are my main control tools anyway.

MM

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I guess that depends on the age of your remote.
If I remember it correctly the first ones did not have the ir options.

As for how to and what…

And have a look here.

MM

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Stephen wrote:

p.s. I am interested in the App Feature Request thread in Discord mentioned by MM. How do I access that?

Actually it was Sandyb, who mentioned that.
Discord is a closed forum, which has an area for all things B&O.
It seems that a lot of people, who previously were into Beoworld, have changed focus to the B&O threads on Discord.
You’ll need an invite to get in – maybe Sandyb (or someone else) can give you one and/or explain more.

Personally I do not spend much time there – just pop in from time to time. It is too convoluted for my taste and I do not like the fact, that the ‘wisdom’ you might find there, is not public and searchable through google (or another websearch engine).

Stay tuned – Sandyb usually posts here.

By the way….how do you (re)install the previous app versions on a Mac?
I guess some of us might want to learn more about that.

MM

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Carolpa wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

I sure know which one I prefer to look at in my rooms/home. MM

What an immense difference …….. with in my opinion more objective pictures. It shows an evolution in three generations of the B&o app. To me the latest UI is the easiest to operate……whereas the first is the most complex but very nice even after all these years.

I get your point – the second one looks nice when playing.
My ‘problem’ – maybe – is that I hardly ever see the app on my iPhone.
I was talking about an app, that – like mine on iPads – can represent a missing display for the actual devices.

I do not use the app much for controlling….and do not carry my iPhone with me, when I am at home.
And even if – I do not agree with you that the latest UI is the best for navigating….it is still too unfinished imo.
I add/remove rooms with my BROnes respectively on the device.
For me the multiroom section in the new app is way too present.

Again – this might be just me and my use case.
Others might carry their phone with them all the time and do not have/use a BROne or the Essence Remote.

MM

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P.S.
No secret….it is not the newest app version that is my favourite ?

(When in standby mode) I actually like the first one with the minimalistic graphic design of the Essence (Remote).
If a picture, I would prefer if you could place a picture of my own setup/room there – the picture of the ‘wheely’ is too bulky imo.

 

The only thing, I would miss there, are the 4 dots/the My Buttons.

I fail to understand why they are not a part of the app!
They are present on the BeoRemote One and on the new B&O devices.

In my opinion all B&O products have to have a consistant and easily recognisable design language….including the app.
Is this the case with the new app version?

Just thinking out loud – it would be nice, if the designer of the newer B&O devices/NOTO Design/André Poulheim could comment on this.

 

But maybe this is just me – maybe the majority of the (newer) B&O don’t give a sh*t about these things ?

MM

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Maybe interesting for those who want to dig a bit deeper into the thought behind the remote controls from B&O.

I feel sorry for this guy who waited 25 years to experience a B&O device from yesteryears…..who had to admit that it actually was quite good, once he got used with the philosophy behind it.

 

The ‘red dot’/standby is a very logical concept.

Since the late 80’s the Bang & Olufsen remotes were made to control several different products (in the B&O ekosystem) – the A/V Terminal and then the Beolink 1000.
Where other had to have several remotes, one for each product, B&O had one, where you could turn on/switch to the wanted source directly by using the source button and turn the device off with one button (the red/standby button) – this was also used for turning off the entire system by a long press (later as the first multiroom systems from B&O came).

And only unlogical for those who prefered to have multiple different remote controls for their devices.

A ‘Go’ button for accepting the choices one has made, when setting up things in menus, with several steps is unavoidable – how would you do it without?

 

In the end it is this:

….or that:

I surely would have to adapt to the UI of these monster remotes.

Please give me a clean, nice looking remote, where you can control all basic features of several devices intuitively.

I have a feeling that this classic hifi guy wants it complicated – after all it is his hobby and – probably – also his bread and butter.

MM

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