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I have a Beomaster 4401 as well as both Beogram 4000 and 4004 – (We shall ignore the 4001…) The best speakers are M100.2s. Just had the 4401 and M100.2s refurbished. I have had S120s – they are a really good speakers but don’t have the bass of the M100. I have lent them to a friend who uses them with a BC9500.
The 4000 is a wonderful deck – beautifully made and hideously over engineered! (Though not as much as the Beocord 5000!) This was made by B&O and they then made the 4002 which vastly simplified the 4000 and produced sound almost exactly the same. Don’t get me wrong, I love the 4000 and it is my second favourite Beogram but it is complex and when it fails, it is likely to be costly. Having said that Craig is a total star and I have no doubt of his abilities.
The Beomaster 4400 is a wonderful receiver – I have owned almost all of the range and I rate this one the highest, even above the 8000 of which I have had two. The 4400 is the one I kept (well 4401 but it is the same!) because it is just very musical. You can use with S45.2s though they are not rated to cope with them but I think they are a better speakers than S75s. If you have room, look for M100s though – you will then be using the speakers designed for the system and they work very well together. S120s are very good but I find the tweeter shrieks at high volumes, something the earlier range did not do. The S75s though have a less controlled bass so it is what you prefer.
The Beolab/Beomaster 5000 system is great though the 4400 is realistically a better system now – I do run one with my favourite Beogram – a 3000 Thorens with 12″ arm – the bass is just better than any other Beogram though I do have a bespoke cartridge which helps. I would suggest if you get a Beogram 4000 that you look at getting a decent cartridge – most originals will have suspension that has hardened and the stylus will be worn. Personally, I am less keen on the Soundsmith cartridges – they have a more modern sound and are excellent but I prefer the B&O ones and have had a number refurbished.
And to finish, Craig is a great guy and knows what he is talking about! Best wishes.
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Have had Penta 3s for many years – also have a Beolab 2. When using the Pentas with a TV, the Beolab 2 is great for films etc. For music I am less convinced. Have just changed to Beolab 5s – these are simply on another plane. Still love the Pentas (although one amp needs fixing so I will get Multicare to service them) and the Beolab 2 has been a good purchase – I am considering trying it with some Beolab 4000s in a music only system and see what that adds – will report back!
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The one thing that does make a difference on the cartridges is room temperature – tests on the MMC20CL showed that you really want the room temperature to be about 20 degrees – I imagine this is due to the suspension of the cartridge – and it does make a difference! The problem now is that most cartridges will have old rubber suspension and the sound will deteriorate. Luckily, getting old, the higher frequencies have mainly gone anyway and new rubber blocks not available for ossicle suspension!
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I tend to close mine as the house is full of hairy dogs! Never noticed any difference on or off. tend to keep the lid off when using the 3000 Thorens as putting the lid back on is tricky when the record is playing!
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A very Happy New Year to all and Happy 100th Birthday Year to B&O. Have celebrated by buying a Beosound 5 – will see if it as useless as the Moment! I did see the prototype demonstrated at B&O many years ago! As all my digital music is on Mac and Beoconnect does not work, will see if I can come up with some bright ideas!!
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I hope everyone had a great Christmas – I know my new to me Beolab 5s made watching Wallace and Gromit that little bit better ! (Thanks Multicare!) This next year should be an exciting one especially for those going to Struer for the centenary.
It is good to see Beoworld still going strong. I therefore wish all involved a very Happy Christmas and may you have a splendid New Year.
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If you are using the CX100s with the 9500, you really have no issues – I would set the level to maximum. The 9500 is really a 40W per channel amplifier – the power levels were later described as 80W IEC when they changed the measurement standards with no change in the amplifier. I have used CX100s with a Beomaster 5500 which in IEC terms is a 110W per channel amplifier. If you look at the figures, the maximum power the 9500 can use is 200W and that is for the whole device. I used to run three extra rooms from my 9500 though one was for active speakers which is a powered unit. Excellent system – I have recently obtained a 9500 again (my third!- I had one stolen and gave another to friend of mine!) In my view, it is the best looking and easiest to use system made my B&O. Just reattached the tape for the glass tops and it is splendid – you can use it with a Beolink 7000 – very useful in a link room as it is almost like having the system in the room.
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Well done to Multicare and to the winners – nice to see some well known names! Hoping all have a splendid Christmas.
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That sounds like a splendid idea – the museum is great with lots of pieces that are unique. And from experience, B&O are wonderful hosts.
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Agree with Mark – are you in the US – wondering about the 60Hz! If using as described as above, a simple wire touching the metal DIN plug casing run to earth should alleviate the hum. Had to do this many years ago when someone borrowed my Beogram for a party! (Danceproof!)
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Quite correct! I was lucky enough to have what I think were Beolab 90s demonstrated to me (I think that is what they were) by Geoff Martin – this was prior to their announcement and they were behind a curtain – I am afraid that Lee and I were both pretty cloth eared and did not identify that these were such high end devices – Geoff hid his disappointment in our ears very well! I have just obtained some BL5s which are great but again probably completely wasted on me!
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BL90 is high end but is a huge amount of money – I doubt that is what he thinking about! He will be thinking of the A9 I guess which is great but not really what most would describe as a Hi-Fi speaker though they sound a lot better than many. As the PS Aspen cost $3500, I doubt he would consider £125,000 speakers!
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Thanks to the splendid chaps at Multicare, I have now upgraded my speakers from Pentas to Beolab 5s – and have been shown how to work the Moment I have (ridiculous device – strongly suggest not getting one!) but it has allowed me to attach an Amazon Echo to the system and I have now have voice control of my music! The Daleks are in fantastic condition and I even managed to palm off some old bits onto them! Simple minijack to line in on the Moment and it connects wirelessly to the Beovision 11 (sorry to say this, but this is the worst TV in the house – the LG sets are just more user friendly and have a better picture – have one with the B&O Stage so sound on that is excellent.) The set up however looks great and sounds great. Many thanks Multicare!
I add this here as prior to this I had an MCL/ML/NL system (!!) which had become increasingly difficult to sort – simplicity seems to be the best solution. There were service manuals on line for the eyes in the past and I expect they are available on site.
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No – the figure suggested is always just an indicator and tuning by ear is the best way as you have done. B&O cartridges all have low tracking weights and are extremely unlikely to damage the record – you do need to keep the stylus clean though.
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I have just seen his latest video – he suffered a copyright strike after the fix of a Tom Evans Phono preamplifier (£25,000!!) which he fixed but clearly whilst doing this exposed the fact that it was an overcomplicated and badly made device – despite the fact that this had been sent to him by the manufacturer as they decided they could not fix it! Can I suggest as many of us subscribe to the channel to support him but also because he does some wonderful videos – I imagine Multicare will watch them as well if only for the laughs!
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The 6002 was an interesting deck – looks very like an 8002 but in reality is far more like a 4002 – does not have the tangental drive for the platter but is belt drive. None the less is a good turntable though has slightly reduced remote control features – again not a big issue.
The RX2 was a cheaper deck and obviously a radial tracking deck and I don’t think has any Datalink so not remote control. Good looking though – my brother had the earlier version, the 1800. Sounds good as well. The 6002 will be the better choice with the BM6000 though so unless you are selling the system, I would keep the 6002.
I think in my time I have had almost all the Beograms – my favourites are the 4000 series though the best sounding is the 3000 Thorens.
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He fixed a Beocord 5000 – hence a genius! It was the 2 head version but even so – and it did give him problems – which they all do!
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I suspect the comment about being far away was that if he was near, he would come and help.
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I normally use 1.2g for an SP12 – it is the elliptical version of the SP10 – the SP14 is higher compliance. However I usually also tune a bit by ear as cartridges do seem to differ with age and condition – start at 1.2 g would be my suggestion and work up .1 g at a time!
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Yes – B&O cartridges are moving magnet cartridges – actually a variant of this called Moving Micro Cross. You will find the output is slightly lower than some moving magnet cartridges. No reason why it won’t work. The slimline 1800 was the basis for the last of the B&O radial decks – there was an earlier model called 1800 but that is rare and I doubt it is the one you have as it uses SP cartridges.
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