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I take it you mean the 6000! The one that looks like the display for the medical beds in Star Trek – fantastic machine – manages to look space age but uses moving ribbons instead of LEDs. Can’t remember what I did with mine! The matching cassette deck in possibly the most unreliable device I ever had! There is a video on Mend It Mark (Youtube ) of him fixing one – respect! The BM6000 is a fascinating bit of kit though the 4400 outperforms it. However the looks are wonderful – pretty sure I scanned the service manual for Beoworld a few years ago. Best of luck with the reassembly.
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If it has the contact line stylus then yes. The MMC4 was the standard range cartridge – there was an MMC5 but rarely seen. The normal upgrade was the MMC2 (the MMC1 was actually identical but were ones that when tested had particularly good results) – this had a sapphire cantilever and a contact line diamond, much like the MMC20CL that is replaced when the new thinner arms were introduced. The 20CL was thought to behave best at warm temperatures – Hi-Fi Choice found that a tungsten bulb shining on the arm when playing had an improvement to what was already good results. I suspect that was due to the suspension. The actual mechanisms of the MMC cartridges are identical so it is quite possible to have the cantilever and stylus replaced on an MMC5 to turn it into a MMC2. I suspect yours was originally an MMC4 – it would appear to have an MMC4 cantilever. I do have some microscope pictures of the various diamond profiles but we are descending into the slightly nerdy levels! 😀
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I have replied in the other post – I suggest that the previous owner has sent this to be retipped by a firm who have upgraded the cartrisge from what is likely an MMC4 and has put a contact line diamond on it – likely to be very good!
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The original MMC20CL had a sapphire cantilever and a contact line stylus which was the top of the line for the MMC20 range. The MMC1 and 2 had again a sapphire cantilever and a contact line stylus. The cantilever on this example looks to be metal – probably aluminium as the sapphire cantilever is transparent. I would suggest this is something like an MMC4 that has been altered and a contact line stylus put on – I have a MMC20SH on my Beogram 4001 which is a MMC20 S originally but with a better cantilever and a shibata stylus. I wanted a black cartridge to match the black arm and I am less keen on the Soundsmith cartridges – personal taste – they are demonstrably excellent but have a different sound compared to the MMC20 originals.
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The MMC6000 used a diamond tip designed by Subir Pramanik – (an aside, his wife worked at B&O in customer service – spoke to her a few times – a lovely lady). The stylus was a modified Shibata type but with an even smaller contact width. B&O did do a demonstration kit with large styluses showing the different profiles. I have had the SP15, 4000, 5000 and 6000 in my time. The 6000 seems to get deeper into the groove than the others – it was designed along with the 5000 to play CD4 records which used a carrier frequency up to 40k – I did have a 6000 system and a couple of CD4 records – not really a fan. The 6000 was however a superb record cleaner!! I would run a record once without listening and then clean the stylus before playing the record to listen! It would clear dust after what you thought had been a good clean with a record brush! I suspect you likely have a more useful cartridge now. My favourite was always the MMC20CL – I suspect however than most of these cartridges will suffer from hardening of the suspension – I confess to using my record players much less these days as my hearing is nolonger capable of discerning very high frequencies so the esoteric cartridges are wasted upon me!
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Je zou Multicare kunnen proberen, wellicht hebben ze nog wat reserveonderdelen, zij zijn de officiële B&O klassiekerreparateur.
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Multicare very kindly picked mine up on their way back from Edinburgh. One amplifier had decided not to work and I guess the second one would follow soon. Have replaced them with Beolab 5s but they will be used elsewhere no doubt on their return. Have had them from new and in very nice condition.
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My S45-2s are S/N 1756035 and have Philips tweeters – written on back of tweeters in red print. Just had a look!
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Er staat er eentje op eBay, maar die is lang en duur! (excuse my Dutch!) It is in Croatia.
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You are quite correct – containment is definitely answer – however ! The remote that is best for the 9500 is the Beolink 7000! Especially of you have a link room. Just the best remote that B&O ever made.
Had a quiet afternoon so sorted my 9500 system out – added a Beogram 4000 and a Beolab 2 to the Beolab 4000s. Next is to sort out the Beomaster 4401 system – have even found the CD/Tape splitter so can add the CDX!
I confess my least favourite bits of B&O are their modern TVs. Just seem less intuitive that other makes which is so not classic B&O. And the present remotes are too difficult to find one’s way around if low light conditions. Next job is to see how many of the Beolink 1000s and Beo4s are working properly!
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Multicare are the official Classic B&O repairer – having seen how they repaired some of my kit, I can only heartily recommend them. You could get them couriered up?
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Have the manual – the 5000 has the ability to use both DIN plugs (the choice for B&O equipment ) but also has RCA sockets – you could test to see if theamp is working aback attaching another device with a line output into the RCA sockets – you could use something like an Amozon eco dot – you need a mini jack to RCA socket lead into the Tape in sockets. Switch to TP and see if it works. Not an awful lot to go wrong in the Beogram – I take it you can hear it playing the record if you listen closely next to the record – that is the stylus is contacting the record – there is a mute circuit but suggest if not used to fixing stuff to get someone who is to looks at it! Is it a radial BG5000 or the later 5005/5500? I had one of these systems many years ago – worth fixing!
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The Beogram will only work if plugged into the correct socket. It should have a 7 pin DIN plug and the different devices are recognised by the Beomaster through a system called Datalink. It therefore knows what is playing and will switch the signal on from the correct socket. Will have a look to see if I have the manual!
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Yes that is the Cathode Ray Tube Real Flat Avant . Superb set – I gave mine away – mine was the DVD version. Still has a great picture but ‘only’ 32″ and is a large bit of furniture and heavy. The chap I gave mine to wanted it for video gaming as he needed a SCART socket for the console he was using. We have a system called freecycle and one puts an advert up on there and invariably someone comes and gets it! In this case definitely put ‘needs collection’!
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I would try some Danish Oil on the wood. My SC80 was not varnished so you might find it is just the wood drying out. A very light sand of the worst bit might be necessary.
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Not sure which thread this should go on but am also in a situation where I need to make a change to my old system. I wonder if someone would be able to advise. I don’t know much about how that stuff works. I purchased all my stuff in year 2002. I have the following equipment: 2x Beolab 6000 2x Beolab 8000 Beosound 9000 CD tower 2x Beolab 3 (this is in a different room and is connected to some sort of amplifier (hidden in a cupboard) 1x Beolab 3500, connecting directly via a cable through the wall. Beovision Avant I also have Bose speakers (outside on terrace) connecting into the living room via a Converter Amplifier Type 1741. I also have a Playmaker The TV is the central piece managing everything (the thorn in my foot) The Beolab 6000 + 8000 can do surround via the remote control, I think this is only possible with the TV piece. I want to get rid of the TV as it is of no use to us since many years and do not wish to have a tv replacement, it is a big lump I really can do without. I wonder if this is possible and what I would need to purchase to connect everything together and also what will not work, maybe I will have to lose some functionality like the surround. Is there some amplifier from BO which would do the trick of connecting everything ? There is a BO shop in my area where the system is, maybe I can ask them too. Thanks
The Beosound 9000 should manage this bar the surround. I would guess you have a MCL system in the house using the Avant as the master – that is if this is the CRT Avant. If it is, all you need is an ML to MCL converter and I suspect you already have this (amp in cupboard!) Will need to look at the way it is wired but did something similar myself with little in the way of problems.
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I embarrassed to let you know the true extent! However I think I had almost every type of Beomaster with very few exceptions – I didn’t have a 6500 but did have 5000, 5500 and 7000. Equally I had the BC9500 (actually on my third! – fantastic bit of kit!) but neither 9000 or 9300. I essentially stopped audio when they stopped doing touch sensitive controls, only going back for the BC2 with the touch sensitive aluminium – very clever and I don’t know why the stopped this. I have relatively few bits now:
BC2, BC9500, BM4401, BG CDX, BG4000, 4004 and ahem 4001. Also BM/BL 5000 and BG3000 Thorens, a collection of phones though just given Multicare a box full of 6000s. I did have a stupid number of speakers including 3800s with the tulip stands – these are a UK speaker really for complex reasons due to purchase tax. Now have far fewer though do have M100.2s and Beovox 2500 Cubes. Have a fair amount ‘lent’ to friends but don’t want it back. One of my most used items is a Beolit 700 – fantastic device! I have not mentioned the TVs … To be honest, B&O TVs are no longer in my view what they were – B&O used to be all about ease of use and ergonomic brilliance and the new equipment has rather lost that in the pursuit of styling. Still like it and there is nothing else that has taken its place. Sadly my most used music devices are Amazon devices! I did tell B&O that voice control was the most important step forward about 20 years ago but that was before Amazon and Google perfected it. Laughably, the major use of my Moment is to allow an Amazon Dot to play through Beolab 4000s via the line input!
I do have a close typed list of all I had – on three pages! However I am slowly recovering!
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Hi Adam,
They seem willing to fix almost anything – they have just made a new circuit board for my BM4401 and saw my Pentas when the delivered my Beolab 5s and said no problem – no rrom in van that time but they are returning at some point – only one of my amplifiers has gome but I dare say the other will swiftly follow! They have a treasure trove of old equipment and of course are doing a lot of work with Beograms for B&O. Splendid group of people and always seem happy to try! I need to find something really tricky to test them!!
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