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Peter
FOUNDER MemberI bought a Moment – not that long ago – it really is not a good product – I now use it as a way to play my Amazon Echo Dot through Beolab 4000s! I am about to get a simpler device to do this so the Moment will be relegated to display only! No battery issues at present but I am sure it will do. I share your disdain!
Confess I also have a BV11 – less enamoured with that than you are – remote not easy to use in the dark and the drama turning it on with the Bang & Olufsen coming up before anything happens – confess the other sets in the house are now LG as they just turn on immediately. I have one that works with a B&O stage and is fine. I regret getting rid of the BV5 which still worked fine but connectivity was becoming tricky. Though of course my BC2 does not really connect to the BV11 as not HDMI – only sound.
The speakers are all fine though!
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FOUNDER MemberI think the first suggestion from Guy is the best idea – If you already have a cable through the wall, as long as it has enough connections and some shielding, then just changing the plugs could be the answer. ML is the cable used to connect different devices together – powerlink is really just audio out and some command functions – the forerunner was MCL which distributed amplified sound and command signals. If you go to the tab at the top labelled Beotech, there are wiring diagrams for Masterlink and Powerlink. The other way is to pul through a powerlink cable attached to the masterlink cable but I suspect that this will be difficult.
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FOUNDER MemberHarsh – possibly because they are not fitted with the front – have a look here.
https://beocentral.com/beovoxcx100
Small bookshelf speakers – not very extended bass hence the Beovox Cona but for computer use they are fine. Need an amplifier.
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FOUNDER MemberInteresting – I did have BL3s for a while – used a Beomaster 7000 below the computer – didn’t really like them – never felt as if they sounded integrated – like two speakers – probably because too close. Went to CX100s which were better for me. Getting old so although CX100s are still there, no longer connected as gave away the receiver!
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FOUNDER MemberI also had a Beolit 700 and worst than spraying them Blue, which would look good, I sprayed them Pink – as a present for my sister I hasten to add – I thought it looked terrible but better than the mess the panels were in – she loved it!
This is my 700 – I was correct, was mustard coloured.
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FOUNDER MemberThe point of the 6000 is that the contact patch in deep into the groove but extremely thin. This is because it was designed to pick upm the CD4 encoding which required tracking at about 40kHz. Clearly this needed a very fine contact area to be able to do this. The 20CL is capable as is the MMC5000 but the use of CD4 is very limited – only the Beomaster 6000 and 3400 were quad equipped – had both as well as a Beogram 6000 with MMC6000 and even some CD4 records – academic interest really – somewhere still have the records though the BG6000 had the quad decoder removed and became a 4001!
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FOUNDER MemberI always heard the BL2 is boomy. Plus the 19 looks super cool.
You can change the settings – and mine is blue!
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FOUNDER MemberNot sure the Beolab 2 is that bad 😀 but I know what you mean – I found it fine with a TV and added to the sound but certainly less good with music. I have Beolab 5s now so no need for a subwoofer – relegated to playing with some Beolab 4000 in another room!
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FOUNDER MemberI agree with Martin – my interest was always in the audio equipment which is now not really available. I confess my most used piece is my Beolit 700 – splendid piece of kit – though not sure Martin would approve as I sprayed the case blue – I think it was mustard before though can’t remember! Thanks to Multicare I do have Beolab 5s which are stupendous but are attached to my Beovision 11 which is clunky compared to the LG sets we have elsewhere.
Interested that ajames’ favourite piece is the 9300 – my favourite design is the 9500 – which sits in what we call the playroom – actually have two of these but have the other on long term (permanent!) loan with a friend. The ability to use it with a Beolink 7000 is the advantage amongst other things. Slightly noisy transformer on mine but managing with use of squash balls!
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FOUNDER MemberI think that is good – you possibly could add that the 4004 was really designed for the 2400 system with a proto datalink system to allow remote control of the record player. One of the bits I still have ! Along with the 4001 🙂
It is difficult though as the majority of younger people will not want the old Hi-Fi systems – the new 4000c is obviously a very niche product though a splendid one – and are more likely to use standalone speaker devices – to be honest, this is what I now use most often as you can just ask for what you want and it is delivered rather that looking for CDs, tapes or LPs.
Therefore the market for Beoworld is less than it was at its height – not the forum dying, more the users! However I would agree that if I wanted to ask a question about B&O, Beoworld would be my first port of call.
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FOUNDER MemberRunning a forum is difficult. I found Beoworld at its very inception mainly because they had borrowed some pictures from Beocentral which I had contributed to. Beocentral did notb have a forum and after an amicable discussion with the founder of Beoworld, Steve, we allowed use of our pictures. I had noted a nascent forum which was not much used so after discussion with Steve, I took over as moderator. At the time, I had a fairly large collection of B&O and therefore made it my task to answer every question to the best of my ability the day it was posted. After a time, we attracted quite a following and also the interest of B&O as their forum really ended up just being complaints which was not really very helpful to the brand. In our case, as we were not the manufacturer, we could sympathise but suggest solutions. The forum rapidly became the go to area for B&O questions and we had a large team of moderators – I will not embarrass them by naming them all, but Martin was a true font of knowledge as he had a collection that dwarfed mine!
When Lee took over, the forum continued to expand and he was able to establish the prize draw which expanded the site even more. I suspect this was the golden age of B&O with music systems as well as TVs and speakers being in the range.The problem really became when the range contracted, many items were no longer made in Denmark and they had to compete with brands that were more advanced in some ways. They remained selling stylish and very good sounding equipment but the prices were becoming extremely high for items that were matched in utility by lesser brands. It is interesting to see the return of record players to the range but these are not priced to attract the same market as before.Thus the number of enthusiasts has fallen. I stopped being a moderator sometime ago and have relatively little B&O these days – though enough! I therefore cannot really help with newer equipment and most is not like the old systems which were designed to be easy to service.Multicare now have ownership of this site and do a fine job in my opinion. They are the go to people for repairs – they have fixed a number of bits for me and I have a nice pair of Beolab 5 speakers that I purchased from them. However we still rely on unpaid advice on the site and us oldies are getting fewer. I spend more time on the Triumph site if I am honest! I do have a B&O TV but the sets I ise most are LG because they have a better interface and, dare I say it, a better remote! The advantage of the Beo4 and Beolink 1000 is that they could be used in the dark as the buttons navigated you – the flat remotes are simply a triumph of style over function in my opinion.My B&O Icons:3 June 2025 at 11:24 in reply to: Beosystem 3000c (£22,000) or this £45 Beogram – which would you choose? #66157Peter
FOUNDER MemberI confess I cannot see any reason to buy a 3000c – the 4000c is an icon of design and although also ridiculously expensive, I can see (just) the attraction. The 3000 is not so I would take your radial deck every time!
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FOUNDER MemberThe Beogram 7000 has the advantage that it will work by remote control – however one normally cleans the record before playing it so one could argue that this is less important. The BG7000 is very expensive these days because it has the RIAA fitted so works with most modern systems as the RIAA is quite often not in the amplifier (I am sure know this but the RIAA is an amplifier to boost the signal from a magnetic cartridge and also equalise the frequency response.) The BG7000 is an OK record player but for the money I would be tempted to look elsewhere especially if records are unlikely to be your usual media played. The CD player is good and the tape player also fine. These systems originally started as the 5000 system and was a midrange offering – they eventually became the top of the line though the actual devices did not change that much – one could argue that the CD5500 was probably the best of the CD players though all except the CD50 are decent choices. Shame you don’t have the Beolink 7000 as this allows a huge amount of extra functions. However also expensive and becoming a bit less reliable these days. I have used my 7000 system (long since gone!) with both passive and active speakers – Pentas are great but used everything from S45s to M100s and even BBC LS3/5as and all sounded good. I confess I went back to a BC9500 as prefer the styling and user interface though still use the Beolink 7000.
I play my Amazon Dot through one of my B&O systems as it allows voice control – works well!My B&O Icons:Peter
FOUNDER MemberI am sure Multicare would offer to help but this is going to be quite expensive.
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FOUNDER MemberI take it you mean the 6000! The one that looks like the display for the medical beds in Star Trek – fantastic machine – manages to look space age but uses moving ribbons instead of LEDs. Can’t remember what I did with mine! The matching cassette deck in possibly the most unreliable device I ever had! There is a video on Mend It Mark (Youtube ) of him fixing one – respect! The BM6000 is a fascinating bit of kit though the 4400 outperforms it. However the looks are wonderful – pretty sure I scanned the service manual for Beoworld a few years ago. Best of luck with the reassembly.
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FOUNDER MemberIf it has the contact line stylus then yes. The MMC4 was the standard range cartridge – there was an MMC5 but rarely seen. The normal upgrade was the MMC2 (the MMC1 was actually identical but were ones that when tested had particularly good results) – this had a sapphire cantilever and a contact line diamond, much like the MMC20CL that is replaced when the new thinner arms were introduced. The 20CL was thought to behave best at warm temperatures – Hi-Fi Choice found that a tungsten bulb shining on the arm when playing had an improvement to what was already good results. I suspect that was due to the suspension. The actual mechanisms of the MMC cartridges are identical so it is quite possible to have the cantilever and stylus replaced on an MMC5 to turn it into a MMC2. I suspect yours was originally an MMC4 – it would appear to have an MMC4 cantilever. I do have some microscope pictures of the various diamond profiles but we are descending into the slightly nerdy levels! 😀
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FOUNDER MemberWell done! You are braver man than me!
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FOUNDER MemberI have replied in the other post – I suggest that the previous owner has sent this to be retipped by a firm who have upgraded the cartrisge from what is likely an MMC4 and has put a contact line diamond on it – likely to be very good!
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FOUNDER MemberThe original MMC20CL had a sapphire cantilever and a contact line stylus which was the top of the line for the MMC20 range. The MMC1 and 2 had again a sapphire cantilever and a contact line stylus. The cantilever on this example looks to be metal – probably aluminium as the sapphire cantilever is transparent. I would suggest this is something like an MMC4 that has been altered and a contact line stylus put on – I have a MMC20SH on my Beogram 4001 which is a MMC20 S originally but with a better cantilever and a shibata stylus. I wanted a black cartridge to match the black arm and I am less keen on the Soundsmith cartridges – personal taste – they are demonstrably excellent but have a different sound compared to the MMC20 originals.
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FOUNDER MemberThe MMC6000 used a diamond tip designed by Subir Pramanik – (an aside, his wife worked at B&O in customer service – spoke to her a few times – a lovely lady). The stylus was a modified Shibata type but with an even smaller contact width. B&O did do a demonstration kit with large styluses showing the different profiles. I have had the SP15, 4000, 5000 and 6000 in my time. The 6000 seems to get deeper into the groove than the others – it was designed along with the 5000 to play CD4 records which used a carrier frequency up to 40k – I did have a 6000 system and a couple of CD4 records – not really a fan. The 6000 was however a superb record cleaner!! I would run a record once without listening and then clean the stylus before playing the record to listen! It would clear dust after what you thought had been a good clean with a record brush! I suspect you likely have a more useful cartridge now. My favourite was always the MMC20CL – I suspect however than most of these cartridges will suffer from hardening of the suspension – I confess to using my record players much less these days as my hearing is nolonger capable of discerning very high frequencies so the esoteric cartridges are wasted upon me!
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