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And you could possibly add the BV8 instead of the BL1611. Just use a suitable lead to connect the WIIM Pro to one of the BV’s SCART inputs, setup the input accordingly in the BV8 menu and the ML system should distribute the audio as a video source. With the correct TV option setting, when accessed from the BL3500 or BS4 it should just turn on with a muted screen when distributing the SCART audio over ML. EDIT: I just checked the BV8 manual – you may be able to use the BV8’s AV3 composite input for the WIIM Pro (just the L&R audio phono socket inputs) in which case you would not need an adaptor. I can’t be 100% sure that this input is distributed over ML, but I see not reason why not.
You were right – it worked! The AV3 input on my BV8 is already in use but I did happen to have an RCA to Scart adapter, so I have connected it, set that input as V-Mem, and added both AV and LINK-AV to the LIST button commands on my Beo4. If I hit AV then V.TAPE, I get my WIIM Pro playing through the BL6000s connected to my Beosound 4. If however I hit LINK-AV then V.TAPE, I get the WIIM Pro playing through the BL3500. The BV8 standby light un-dims (I guess that’s it’s way of telling me it’s doing something), but the screen remains off. If I then hit the red button on the Beo4, the BL3500 switches off, and the BV8 standby light goes dim, indicating it is back in ‘proper’ standby.
This is an excellent solution – I don’t need to us the 1611 or 1614, and it means the A.AUX input of the Beosound 4 is now exclusively available to connect my Beogram. I would not listen to vinyl through the BL3500, so it’s no big deal that I there is no L-A.AUX button available via the Beo4 LIST button (without buying a newer Beo4, anyway).
It’s amazing what can be done with ML. This is brilliant, thank you.
Location: LiverpoolAh – turns out I already had the right cable for that (I never throw a cable out) and you’re right, it works. It would mean I could not have my BV8 TV as part of the ML network but I’m not really all that bothered about that – I don’t use it much anyway. Also means I can get the WIIM Pro to play on the BL3500 of course, so it’s a good solution, thanks!
Location: LiverpoolNot sure I know how to achieve the above to be honest – how would I get it to recognise my WIIM Pro as a video source? Also would this mean re-wiring the DIN socket?
Bit of an update too – because the Beosound 4 has only one A.Aux input, I planned to connect the WIIM Pro to that, then connect my Beogram (via a phono stage) to the Aux input of the WIIM Pro. This seemed a good idea as the WIIM Pro switches to its own Aux input if it detects a signal from that. However, I found the sound quality is terrible playing vinyl on that setup – I suspect it’s because the WIIM Pro Aux input has a maximum input level of 1 vrms. I think my Pro-Ject Phono Box phono stage has a higher output level (although the manual doesn’t seem to specify). If I connect the phono stage directly to the A.Aux input of the BS4, it sounds fine, so the signal going through the WIIM Pro is definitely the issue.
I’m also getting a noticeable amount of speaker hum when I play vinyl, which I don’t get if I connect that same Beogram to my Beocenter 8500. I expect this is because the DIN socket on the Beocenter earths the Beogram, but connecting it via a standard DIN adapter and then to RCA – there’s no earth. I have borrowed the Pro-Ject phono stage from another room though and it needs to return there, so I’ve ordered a new phono stage which takes 5 pin DIN inputs (link), with earth. It’s only very cheap compared to the Pro-Ject one I already have but it does get good reviews, so worth a try. If it’s no good I’ll return it and get another decent phono stage (Pro-Ject, or NAD) and one of these so I can earth the Beogram.
Location: LiverpoolThis BL3500 is currently connected to my BS4, not my BC8500. The BL3500 can work on the BC8500 using Tape2, but of course the BS4 has no Tape2, just that one A.Aux input. I just tried the above anyway just in case, but none of the Link input options on my Beo4 resulted in the BL3500 switching to A.Aux.
The only way I have found to get the BL3500 into A.Aux mode is to switch the BS4 to A.Aux mode, then switch the BL3500 on using the physical Mute button next to the display. I can then mute the BS4 if I only want the sound from the BL3500. It works, but it’s not very practical!
Looks like a newer remote is the answer then (and yes, I did mean the modern Beoremote One.
Location: LiverpoolI really would like to put my Beolab 3500 into A.Aux easily, and I can’t do that with either of my Beo4 remotes, as they are earlier models (mk2 I think, with software version 4.4) and therefore don’t have L-A.Aux as an option, and can’t be sent to exclusive Link mode. My Beolab 3500 is almost exclusively used to listen to my WIIM Pro streamer, which is connected to A.Aux.
I can use my Beolink 1000 for that (Link>Shift>Radio) but my Beolink 1000 does not belong in that room, and it has other limitations when using it with a Beolab 3500.
So, would a Beoremote 1 work for this? I’ve found the manual online and it does say it can act like a Beo4, but the manual does not go into the greater details, and I cannot find a lexicon for it.
Also would a Beo5 or Beo6 work for this?
I know that a later Beo4 with the Nav button would work, but they demand a high price on eBay – you can actually bet a Beoremote for about the same price, and a Beo5 much cheaper if you’re lucky on eBay.
Location: LiverpoolAh, there’s a couple of bits I need from Beoparts shop (now: Danish Sound Parts) anyway so I may as well add those to the order – thanks.
I know a transformer will hum of course, it was just that it was loud enough to hear in a quiet room. Only just, but you can hear it if your near it.
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Location: LiverpoolYou do like a good experiment don’t you @Madskp! I have both a 1611 and a 1614, but my MCL2AV did break a little while ago. I am looking out for another one.
Location: LiverpoolI was able to try it again when the kitchen fitters downstairs had stopped for a brew and it was quiet! I would not say the sound disappears completely when I lift it up, but it does definitely lessen. While the rubber feet are still there on the underside, they are quite flat and have probably lost a lot of their original softness. I do have some 3M adhesive rubber feet so I’ll put some of those on tonight when it’s properly quiet in the house, and try it again. Thanks for the advice.
Location: LiverpoolYes I tried that suggestion you made, but it’s the same, the Beogram does not respond. I don’t think there is a way to do this then. It’s no big deal, I just enjoy trying to figure out what’s possible!
Location: LiverpoolActually it is back left sorry, I was looking at it from the back at the time! It still has it’s rubber feet. Right now I can’t hear the noise at all (I’m hoping it’s just magically gone away!), but I’ll listen again closely tonight when the house is quieter. We’re having some work done at the moment in the kitchen so it’s quite noisy right now.
Location: LiverpoolYpou’re rifght – it doenslt work. I donlt yet have the adadter to connect my BG3000, but I didn connect the BG3000 to the 1614 via A.Aux link plug, then to my BS4 via Masterlink, just to test if there was any Datalink compatibility. There was not – if I pressed Phono on the Beo4 the BS4 came on (but in N.Radio, of course), but the turntable did not activate.
As for th alternarive possible MCL2AV solution you give – I did have an MCL2AV only recently but had to return it to the seller as it failed after a short while. Madskp’s diagram does have a note bottom-right though saying this solution would not work if a Beosound was used as the audio master, soi I assume Madskp means that my Beosound 4 is not an alternative to a Beoport in this case.
Location: LiverpoolThat only goes to prove I spend too much time here! Thanks.
Location: LiverpoolThe most recently posts from this thread seems to have disappeared? Anyway, in one of those missing posts one of you (can’t remember who sorry) mentioned the datalink-compatible phono stage available from Oneremote (https://shop.oneremote.dk/shop/69068-riaa-amplifier/). I have also found this one on Iconic AV (https://www.iconic-av.co.uk/item/1321/RIAA+Pre-Amplifier+with+Datalink+for+BeoGrams/) that has the advantage of having phono input/output as well as 7 pin DIN. It’s cheaper than the Oneremote device, but strangely there only seems to be an option to ‘Enquire’ on the page rather than ‘Buy’. I’ve sent them an enquiry to see if it is still available.
Location: LiverpoolThat Oneremote preamp has given me an idea but I’d be surprised if it works. The Beosound 4 has one disappointing feature – it only has standard RCA aux input, so no Beolink/Audio Aux Link.
I do have a 1614 converter going spare though. Do you think if connected my BG3000 to the Oneremote device, then to the 1614 converter via A.Aux link cable, then to the BS4 via Masterlink, then I would be able to control my BG3000 via remote control?
Probably too much to hope for!
Location: LiverpoolAh yes sorry, just tried again, it was indeed Link>Shift>Radio!
Location: LiverpoolUpdate – my BL35000 does work with A.Aux. I also have a Beolink 1000 and I was able to switch my BL3500 to A.Aux using Link>Shift>Phono.
Location: LiverpoolThanks everyone; a lot to think about. I had no idea you could put a Beo4 in permanent link mode, but I tried (list, config, 2002), but the display did not say ‘Link On’, and it made no difference to the function. I found something in the old forum that say the Beo4 needs to be at software version 5 or later for link mode. Mine is 4.4, and is the older model with V.Tape and A.Tape rather than V.Mem and A.Mem buttons. I have another Beo4 on it’s way to me that comes with the BS4 – hopefully that will be a later one. The seller confirmed the Bs4 came with a ‘remote’ but didn’t provide a photo, but the price of the BS4 was so good, I didn’t really care.
I’ve not ruled out getting a BS5 yet. I’ve looked at the BS Moment but it’s more expensive, and would mean I would also need a NL/ML converter to connect it to the BS4, which puts the price up even further.
I’ve just ordered an ML Gateway because it was going very cheap on eBay and included an ML cable – really I just bought it for the cable. Haven’t a clue what an ML Gateway does though! Will probably just sell it (without the ML cable) on eBay.
Location: LiverpoolThanks, that’s very useful. The BS5 is a lovely looking thing but it sounds like it would not be very integrated with my BS4. It depends how cheap I can get one, I suppose! I’ll give it some thought.
If I used WIIM Pro instead I would have to connect that into Aux In, then connect my phono stage into the Aux In on the WIIM Pro, then connect my Beogram to that. That could work though, as the WIIM Pro switches to Aux Input automatically if it detects a signal.
What I’d miss there is having a dedicated screen for digital music, which the BS5 would provide.
One annoying thing though – the Beo4 does not seem to have ‘L-A.Aux’ available as an extra button, so I would not be able to select that source using my Beo4 on my Beolab 3500. It has L-V.Aux but not L-A.Aux. What a strange omission!
Location: LiverpoolYes, I have a Beocom 6000 but I’ve put that on eBay now as I have no use for it – I much prefer this 1500, and I didn’t need a cordless phone for my desk anyway. The 1500 also better matches the aesthetic of my mostly 80s/90s B&O kit (although I admit, the 6000 is nice to look at).
Location: LiverpoolYes, I’ve seen that before, cool idea! I had actually looked for one of those before but they don’t come up for same very often, and they often list them on eBay at quite a high price due to rarity, I suppose.
I think mine is actually a 1500 not a 1401; I just assumed it was a 1401 but the eBay seller didn’t specify the model and it doesn’t have the model number on it. The buttons are a bit different that a 1401. This may explain why I was unable to find the location of the batteries in the 1401 user manual. That’s my excuse anyway.
I love having volume controls to hand, right there on my desk. Using them every day – so useful.
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