[Kim]

@Carolpa: Not an issue with the echo as it’s not my intention to play both the BL3500 and the CX100 on the same time. So how it’s setup now is really how I wanted to get it to work.

Skipping the BLC for the BS9000 and putting the other two BLC’s in slave mode just give me issues once again with that BS65400 (via BLC-BS6) isn’t responding N.RADIO/A.MEM and bottom line is that ‘isolating’ the various system using BLC’s was the way to go. So I’m sticking to the current setup using 3 BLC now.

The previous BLC-BSM has been renamed to BLC-BV10 to make it more clear which device it’s actually being used to link the Moment with. Makes sense now when I understand the BLC far better having spent a few hours and getting the help from this forum. As many others, I got the first BLC to use together with the Moment which was setup 8 years ago and since it’s been working flawless since then and never looked at it again 🙂 So the current BLC-BV10 is now then Audio Master with the following ML sources:

And during the weekend I picked up a BR1 at the local B&O shop in Helsingborg which makes things more smooth with the possibility of adding and renaming the various commands to reflect the various system makes it eaier to remember and understand and as well high WAF.

@Carolpa, @Guy & @Tignum: Highly appreciate and thanks for all your help and patience getting this to work and as much some of the BLC function might be a bit odd behaviour and potential improvement which could be done be B&O (which most likely will never happen) but got me to look into the wrong direction. For example the IR-command which one can totally ignore as Tignum indicated including that I thought that the BLC also would act as a device which would be able to perform ‘command translation’ (thinking of network address translation here…) and act a bit more like a router but which does does to a certain extend and then not. But, in the end it’s working perfect!

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[Kim]

Millemissen wrote:

By the way, if you put the Encore into Option 4 and use The Beo4 with a Link command (before the actual command), you can remote control it without interfering with other ir-devices in the room. You can even – with a newer Beo4 version, that can be set to Link Mode – use the remote pretty ‘normal’ (this is nice if you want to improve the WAF).

@Millemissen This is how my setup is in the office; the additional BL3500 is operated with its own Beo4 which has been set to link mode to avoid that it interfer with the BS6500 unit which is operated with a classic Beolink 1000 and my all time favorit remote control – the incredible Master Control Panel 6500.

@Tignum If you haven’t seen there is a thread in the old forum of maintaining and cloning disk for the BS5 then again your opting for the encore and get it.

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[Kim]

@Johan: I’ll might consider a BR1 then but while I like the looks of it I miss out the weight that you have in the Beo4 which is the main reason for now upgrading. The DAC is in the office and the BS9000 just to far away but using any of the BLC could be something since I have the technical ‘room’ just directly close to the office. But, then again, if it’s works out with using a Y-cable for the AUX port on the BS6500 that would be the easiest solution and which Guy verified that it wouldn’t cause any conflict. I did use the AUX before connecting the 1611 box to get the audio out from my Topping E30 DAC (wanted to get Shiit Modi DAC but they haven’t been able to deliver in long time so ended up with the E30) which I only uses when I want to get audio out from the laptop when playing music that I don’t have anywhere else or when connecting som retro tech such as C64/Amiga, etc. The Topping does power off when not in use and easy to power off with remote control (and same with the Shiit Modi).

@Johan: I’ll going to use RADIO for TuneIn as I’m starting to get happy with the setup and which I typically try to mirror what I had and then the tweaks needed for the WAF-factor.

@Johan: Also, with regards trying to get the setup to do the same with only 2 BLC which would mean removing the BLC for the BS9000 which would be good from the point of getting ride of one box that can fail. I’ll give that a try later on today or tomorrow.

@Guy: Interesting thing with the BS6500 in A.OPT2 might but don’t see that being needed for now. Since with the workaround with Y-cable I’ll just make use of AUX from the Beo4 and essentially this would provide the same function. That would be if I instead to make use of PC pointing to AUX. And thanks for the link to Steve’s page.

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[Kim]

Yes, I’m now able to distribute both vinyl and cassette from the BS6500 including that I got full control over the units from what ever room I choose to play from. Awesome! And Yes the BS6500 works as before without any issue. Kind of interesting having the BS6500 playing using infront of me together with the BL3500 on the wall behind me but yes there is a slight echo but sounds a bit like concert hall effect (then don’t indent to play the speakers on the same time).

The latest diagram is what I got now, with exception that I’ve setup the BLC-BS9 with both CD and RADIO and it works fine. So currently everything works fine. The only thing is that I had to drop N.RADIO (TuneIn) from the Moment. No biggy and I can live with that but hey, if there is a workaround for that why not.

In the living room I’m using the Beo 4 with the navigation button which doesn’t have PHONO so won’t do the trick for me. Don’t know if it would make sense to get a new BeoRemote One if I can configure it to show in a nice way PHONO instead of N.RADIO.

When trying to setup A.AUX for A.TAPE2 the BS6500 reacts with AUX being enabled. So that didn’t work. But here is a thought, assume that I could use a Y-cable to have both the Datalink and the incoming audio from the DAC-unit?

 

 

 

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[Kim]

I’m also now realising now that A.MEM is the same as the old A.TAPE. Should this be understod that it’s not possible to do re-mapping of old commands not being used to something else? Additionally, I now also see that N.MUSIC replaces A.TAPE2 from Beo4 Sw4.2. So, the idea of pulling A.TAPE2 doesn’t seem possible. Unless, if possible, to use another command which isn’t used at all in the system.

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[Kim]

And time for update, with 3 BLC in place, I’ve now got it to work with the suggested settings tht you provided Johan:

• BLC-BSM as Audio Master and pulls N.MUSIC (Music) from Moment
• BLC-BS6 as Audio Slave and pulls A.MEM (A.TAPE) but won’t do N.RADIO (PHONO) from BS6500
• BLC-BS9 as Audio Slave and pulls RADIO (RADIO)/CD (CD) from BS9000

So it seems that I just have to accept that N.RADIO has to be used to activate PHONO and it’s not possible to use any other command, for example V.MEM to activate PHONO?

Additionally, I’ve also got a DAC connected to the BS6500 via A.TAPE2 which potential could be pulled as well maybe using PC and pointing to A.TAPE2 (tried and won’t work).

Got to say this absolutely so cool being able to pull vinyl into the entire masterlink in the entire house which increases the WAF-factor significantly 🙂

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[Kim]

Right, I got now 2 additional BLC that I can use for testing here on my side, so I now have in total 4 units, so could give it a try. What you suggest in the above diagram is to add the third BLC unit for BS9000 and where the BLC-BV10 is what would be my BLC-BSM. Let me give it a try directly and see how it works out.

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[Kim]

Thanks Johan, I’ve got the BLC manual but actually took the time to read fully through and as you stated about the ‘IR mapping’ which is something we can fully ignore as it’s not in scope (actually when I try to remove the IR mapping for A.MEM/BLC-BS6/A.TAPE it’s automatic re-populated so it seems that it’s not possible to remove based on that A.MEM is neabled on the Experience mapped to NL page). There are several section in the manual indicating that this can be ignored. Also,  there are a few section in the manual which is a bit vague, which could potentially inddicate what we want to do, might not be possible but on the other hand we have other users that manage to implement something similar and if it’s possible to have the BS6500 act as audio slave and just to push the beogram audio would be quite nice. For now, let’s see if we can get any additional input from Carolpa and Guy on how to solve this and yes there are several suggestion on how to setup the Beogram only but then I loose the possibility to have the entire BS6500 stack in full function in the office.

Additionally, I’ve also verified that the 1611 box works as expected by connecting a BL3500 and played audio from my computer which worked out fine. So at least that unit isn’t dead. I might also be able to borrow a 3rd BLC to play around with as part of your suggestion. But, then it would be quite nice to get some additional verification whether it would make difference or if won’t matter based on what we’re trying to do isn’t possible. Also, as clear the BLC manual is my own scenarion when I initially added the Momen together with the first BLC wasn’t in the manual and can’t recall why i choose to use Source Center. Most likely based on input from the B&O shop here in Malmö (which sadly isn’t around any more…).

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[Kim]

Ok, makes far easier to grasp and thanks for the efforts which is highly appreciated! Based on that the BLC units could be considered a router for ‘link commands’ wouldn’t it be possible to then use A.MEM / BLC-BS6 / PHONO to trigger the BG6500 and just ditching the Beocord 6500?

Also, if it turns out that I would need to opt for an additional BLC to setup the system in accordance with the second schematics, would the BS9000 still work in option 0 as I don’t have any speakers connected (ref. to my previous schematic) to it but that it make use of speakers connected to the BV10?

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[Kim]

Right, got around to do a bit more testing and I’ve setup the seconday BLC-BS6 in accordance with your suggestion so that ML source, A.MEM, points to A.TAPE (Name used on NL). But, what is not clear currently if the suggestion was to change so that the primary BLC, BLC-BSM, also is set to Audio Slave instead of as it’s currently, still, to Source Center. Which also would explain why I’m not able currently to get A.MEM enabled on the Source visible on ML list for the primary BLC-BSM:

And the IR mapping page has been cleaned up as well and looks like this now:

With the above settings I’m not getting any reaction when pressing A.MEM in other rooms which is connected to the Masterlink network nor in a Link room.

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[Kim]

Finally got around to continue the config of the 2 BLC and were the original BLC is assigned to the Beosound Moment since it’s my only NL-device and the rest of my devices are ML-devices. And with the second BLC I’ve then assigning this to the Beosound 6500:

• Moment -> BLC-BSM and setup as source center
• BS6500 -> 1611 -> BLC-BS6 which is currently setup as Audio Slave

Previously in the thread it was mentioned to put the BLC-BSM as Audio Slave as well which I haven’t tried yet as I first want to share my config. Also, since it was mentioned that the Beosound 9000 was assumed to be connected to BLC which either was a typo if it was meant to be ref. to the Beosound 6500. So slightly confused.

Here are the config which I’m currently been using for several years for the BLC-BSM and the Beosound Moment:

And this is how the BLC-BS6 is currently setup which has the 1611 and Beosound 6500 connected to it:

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[Kim]

Found the issue for the above and it was issue with ML cable in my LexCom panel and once isolated and found the issue the Moment is not once again available in the ML-network.

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[Kim]

Followed the discussion, but haven’t had time to test yet as I’ve been busy pulling some CAT7 cable in the house. True the primary objective is to feed the audio from the Beosystem 6500 were the Beogram 6500 to the rest of the house which has my biggest interest, so don’t care about the Radio, CD or the cassette (well tape could be fun if it would be easy and without any conflict of commands being re-used). And as Tignum writes, I still utilise the BS6500 in the office and needs to have the speakers connected directly, and don’t care about audio from any other sources from either ML/NL devices. The office is were I tend to listen to vinyl and occasional CD’s as well and if I listen to vinyl in sometimes I finds it nice to share the analogue wealth with the rest of the household. 🙂

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[Kim]

Tignum wrote:

Do you have speakers connected to the BS6500?

Yes, do have a pair of Beovox 100 and a Cona connected to the Beomaster which is used regularly but there is no intention to pull audio from the rest of the ML, but rather as mentioned, to distribute the Beogram audio from the BS6500 to the rest of the MasterLink system.

Question, and I’m might just be overthinking this, but with the connection flow going from BS6500 -> 1611 -> BLC -> NL/LAN how does I get the jump from the BLC to the ML. I mean the 1611 is connect with ML cable to the original port in my BLC but can I also use the additional RJ45 ML port; but assume that they’re the same port but just different form factor?

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[Kim]

@Guy : No need to be sorry. I’m just happy to see that Beoworld and the forum is flourishing again. I’ve had my fair share of involvement with forums struggling during when either doing necessary or unvoluntary changes.

@Tignum : Thanks and the primary source that I want to distribute from the BeoSystem 6500 is the BeoGram as the CD/Radio I have from BeoSystem 9000. So it’s a bit tricky based on that I’m using N.MUSIC to trigger the Moment. With regards to the BL3500 the office I’ve set it up as Link speaker so the Beo4 remote doesn’t trigger the BS6500 and allows me to use the MCP6500 and B&O Audio Terminal remote (the Beolink 1000 which only have the CD, Tape1, Radio, Aux, Tape2 and Phone as sources).

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[Kim]

Hi Guy, and thanks for the welcome but having said that a long users here on the forum, just changed the id and I think this is the 3rd forum setup I’m seeing (sadly as we get a bit cut of and finding old threads/postings including instruction/images). Having said that, it’s great to be back as I kind of lost the interest for the forum when it changes, sadly.

So thanks for the thread link which I kind of recognise my own gear in as I also have a multiroom system but then with ML as primary carier and see that the BS7000 in the provided link is connected to the BLC via the 1611 and then to the NL/LAN so same as I set it up. But, that were I get stuck just can’t get it to play.

Just to line up a few facts on the setup:

• The BS6500 is set to default Option and IR mode nothing changed.
• The BLC dedicated for the BS6500 ML role is set to: A Slave
• The BLC dedicated for teh Moment ML role is set to: Source Center

And then of course the BV10 and BS9000 as expected with the current setup; so N.MUSIC triggers the Moment and plays out via BL8000 connected to the BV10 or several BL3500/BL4000/8000.

Based on the below attached ML-NL network diagram, the BS6500 is currently being used in the office, and that’s were I want to connect it via 1611 to ML-network socket which then is connected to the Technical Room which has the 2 BLC’s.

Location: Malmo, Sweden

[Kim]

What would the scenario be if one would connect a Beosound 6500 system via a 1611 box to existing ML-network which has existing Beosound 9000 and BV10 including a Beosound Moment connected to the ML-network via BLC and have to co-exists with the existing units? Would it be possible to connect the BS6500 via the 1611 to a BLC NL/ML and have it to act as audio slave in the NL-network and still be reachable and output audiot to the rest of the ML-network?

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