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I have just been experimenting with a NL/ML Converter connected to BC2300 via BL1611. I can start the CD and skip through tracks, but my BC2300 also starts in a muted state. Unlike you, I can then use the Beo4 remote to unmute and control the volume (hence I am surprised that you cannot do the same with the IR remote for your BM7000).
You could disconnect the Beolabs from the Beomaster 7000. Set the BLC as VMaster. Connect the BL to the BLC. Then try to start the Beosystem 7000 sources on the BLC with the Halo or B&o app.
If you do as @Carolpa suggests, I understand that you also want IR control of the BM7000, hence I think you could put the BM7000 in A.OPT 0 (to stop it responding to IR) and add an IR receiver to the BLC to give both IR control and app/Halo control.
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I think the reason for this behaviour is that the way the NL/ML converter connect to a B&O music system is in many ways how it would work with a connected Beovision or a Link room where it is the speakers on the controlling unit (in this case the NL/ML converter just controlled via App or another NL device instead of a remote) that is started and not the speakers connected to the the music system
I agree – it’s the logical way for the system to work! Also, I don’t think the ‘
datalink‘ ‘audio aux link’ connection (between BL1611 and BM7000/BC9300) is designed to control volume. However, when I connected my BV10-32 to the NL/ML Converter I could control the TV volume with the app, so a purely ‘masterlinked’ BLC may be more capable.Do you still use the Beolink Passive for local speaker?
Yes I did but I used my little adaptor to swap PL trigger pins so that the Passive muted correctly – hopefully behaving just like a Beolab.
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If you do as @Carolpa suggests, I understand that you also want IR control of the BM7000, hence I think you could put the BM7000 in A.OPT 0 (to stop it responding to IR) and add an IR receiver to the BLC to give both IR control and app/Halo control.
I just tried this with my setup: BC2300 in A.OPT 0. Added IR sensor to BLC and moved speakers (Passive etc) from BC2300 to BLC also. It works fine. I can start BC2300 using app and/or Beo4 remote. The only loss of functionality is the volume display on the front of the BC2300 (because the BLC is controlling the volume).
EDIT: One other limitation: As described is this thread, I cannot start the BC2300 FM Radio source using the app, but I can using the Beo4 remote. As mentioned later in that thread, it is possible to add the FM radio source as an ML source on other NL devices, such as Beosound Essence.
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What if you redirect the FM Radio command in the IR mapping of the BLC to another source?
Thanks for suggestion. I just tried A.MEM and then TV. Either allows me to turn on FM Radio using the Beo4 (i.e by pressing A.MEM or TV on the remote), but FM RADIO still doesn’t appear as an available BLC source on the app. It’s not really a major limitation; as you suggested before, if I add my Essence and/or Beoplay M3 to the NL side I can see and select FM RADIO as an app-controlled source (on Essence/M3 respectively, still not visible on BLC).
Anyway this is drifting away from @Beofile7’s problems – I wonder how he is getting on? I find it strange that he cannot ‘unmute’ his BM7000 with the Beo4 once it has been started from elsewhere in the NL system. I would try disconnecting the BM7000 from the BLC and checking that it works fine as a stand-alone system (just with Beolabs connected).
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Thank you so much Guy (s) for your inputs.
I have managed to “unmute” the sound using the Beolink 7000. ‘Not sure why that would not work with the Beo4? The system then is fully controllable via I/R and the Beoconverter will control sources/tracks etc. but again no volume. As the purpose of all of this is to control the 7000 via a Halo (which is essentially a volume control) the project is failing badly?
I am coming to the conclusion that it may not be possible for the Beoconverter to interact with a Beomaster output, only source selection.
As a last ditch effort I have ordered an RJ45 – RCA lead to connect the Converter powerlink outlet to the RCA input of my Beolab 50’s. Thereby treating it as a seperate source.
The 50’s are blessed with the ability to differentiate between inputs and only allows one at a time with automatic switching.
My worry now is that the converter’s output is powerlink not just a speaker outlet so the new wiring connections may not be correct? We will find out tomorrow night when it arrives!!!!!!!!
I’ll keep you posted.
I have managed to “unmute” the sound using the Beolink 7000. ‘Not sure why that would not work with the Beo4? The system then is fully controllable via I/R and the Beoconverter will control sources/tracks etc. but again no volume. As the purpose of all of this is to control the 7000 via a Halo (which is essentially a volume control) the project is failing badly?
Strange that the BL7000 with control the BM7000 but not the Beo4. Does the Beo4 work for other control once unmuted?
I still think it would be worth trying an IR sensor (and the BL50s) connected to the BLC. I think this would give you the control that you are seeking. I am using an old style ML sensor connected to the BLC, hence no great expense involved and it is easy to connect to the BLC IR input via a correctly wired RJ45.
I don’t know enough about BL50 to comment about suitability of feeding their RCA input from the BLC’s powerlink, but be careful!
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I think I was suffering from finger trouble with the Beo4? Sources need to be selected first. With the Beolink 7000 it knows the source… the Beomaster 7000 tells it.
That makes sense – it’s easy to forget the logic of the Beo4 and the requirement to check the screen and select the source first!
I will bear your suggestion of an I/R sensor in mind but I am not sure about having the main connection between Beomaster 7000 and Beolab 50 going through multiple conversions and cables and units. I feel much more comfortable having a direct powerlink from the master to the speakers. But it may be an option?
Yes maybe worth thinking about for the future. One other advantage of the BLC IR sensor (and speakers) scheme is that if you are playing a BM7000 source in both the main room and an NL room the sound will be synchronised, because the Analogue to Digital delay will be equally applied to the BLC powerlink output and any NL audio output.
Then again, I was saying that 3 weeks ago when this started. ???
Three weeks is nothing … I have been experimenting and learning for 18 years! 😀
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I think I was suffering from finger trouble with the Beo4? Sources need to be selected first. With the Beolink 7000 it knows the source… the Beomaster 7000 tells it. I will bear your suggestion of an I/R sensor in mind but I am not sure about having the main connection between Beomaster 7000 and Beolab 50 going through multiple conversions and cables and units. I feel much more comfortable having a direct powerlink from the master to the speakers. But it may be an option? The Beolab 50’s have multiple inputs. I am currently using 3 of them… Wired powerlink from the 7000. Wireless powerlink from a Beovision 11 and USB C from a Connectcore. Previously I was using optical also. They automatically switch between sources and have a priority so I am not worried about 2 sources being fed simultaniously. The speakers work that out and illiminate all bar one. On the face of it as long as the internal wiring of the adapter I have ordered is correct it should work? Then again, I was saying that 3 weeks ago when this started. ???
Connect core? Do you mean A Beoconnect Core?
If so you should, as asked before, tell us? This is another ballgame!
If so you have these NL products: BV11, Beoconnect Core and BLC, presumably in the same network. You already have the BL50 connected to the Beoconnect Core, Correct?Then the easiest way to add the Beosystem 7000 is:
Beosystem 7000 – DL/PL connected to T1611 – ML connect to BLC (set as VMaster)Add the Core, BLC and Halo to the B&o app. Add the Core and the BLC to be controlled by the Halo. Start a Beosystem 7000 source on the BLC with the Halo then link the Core. The music should start on your BL.
You can’t use the Halo to do this. A compromise! Simple as that!
@Carolpa: Can I just ask your understanding of the limitation here?For example, if I connect my BLC to my BV10-32 by masterlink, set the BLC as an A Master, and set the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ to ‘ML Videomaster’ I can use the B&O app for full control of the TV (turn on/off, change channels, control volume, change sources).
But with the BLC connected to my BC2300 by ML/BL1611/AAL, setting the BLC as a V Master, if I then set the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ to ‘ML Audiomaster’ I have no control whatsoever over the BC2300. If I change the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ to ‘Beolink Converter NL/ML’ then I can use the app to start and control the BC2300, but in a muted state as described earlier.
So I am guessing that the BLC enables full app control of a product when connected by ML only, and that the BL1611 introduces limitations (possibly due to the use of AAL). If the BLC was connected to an ML equipped audiomaster would full control (volume etc) be possible?
(EDIT: I don’t know anything about Halo, but am I right in saying that if the B&O app can control something on ML via BLC, then Halo should also be able to control?)
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You can’t use the Halo to do this. A compromise! Simple as that!
@Carolpa: Can I just ask your understanding of the limitation here? For example, if I connect my BLC to my BV10-32 by masterlink, set the BLC as an A Master, and set the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ to ‘ML Videomaster’ I can use the B&O app for full control of the TV (turn on/off, change channels, control volume, change sources). But with the BLC connected to my BC2300 by ML/BL1611/AAL, setting the BLC as a V Master, if I then set the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ to ‘ML Audiomaster’ I have no control whatsoever over the BC2300.
BS3000 ML connected to BLC – set as VMaster no speakers attached – BS Shape linked – ‘Product Controlled by apps’ is set to ‘ML Audiomaster’ :
Tested CD and Radio both accept Next and Previous (also sources)
Note: as stated before in these posts, if my BS3000 would have speakers attached, one could control the BS3000 the same, but it would not start the speakers (just like a ML link room) at NL side commands. Still I would expect a unmute or source command on the ML side, will result in sound from the attached speakers.BS7000 PL and DL connected to T1611 – ML connected to BLC – set as ASlave (thus no speakers)
Next and Previous, Sources are acceptedBS9000 ML connected to BLC – set as ASlave no speakers attached – BS Shape linked – ‘Product Controlled by apps’ is set to ‘ML Audiomaster’:
source CD: Digits 1 to 6 on Halo; BS9000 goes to appropiate CD, Previous and Next skip to appropiate directionI presume you did set the sources in the BLC page “experience mapped to NL”?
If I change the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ to ‘Beolink Converter NL/ML’ then I can use the app to start and control the BC2300, but in a muted state as described earlier. So I am guessing that the BLC enables full app control of a product when connected by ML only, and that the BL1611 introduces limitations (possibly due to the use of AAL). If the BLC was connected to an ML equipped audiomaster would full control (volume etc) be possible?
So your experience with your setting is not coherent with my findings of my system. Additional info: with both the Beoliving app and the B&o app I can adjust the volumes on the BS3000 set up as described above.
Note: because I will move to another house I’m dismanteling my B&o system, so for the moment I can’t check this on the BS7000 .
(EDIT: I don’t know anything about Halo, but am I right in saying that if the B&O app can control something on ML via BLC, then Halo should also be able to control?)
In principle correct.
I would say the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ is not defining how the BLC reacts. It was a way to set the Beoliving & B&o app’s correct but doesn’t seem to have many impact of the behaviour anymore.
BS7000 PL and DL connected to T1611 – ML connected to BLC – set as ASlave (thus no speakers) Next and Previous, Sources are accepted
This was the closest to something that I can replicate, hence I have just tried with my BC2300 and BLC set to ASlave (instead of V Master). It works as yours, but only when ‘Product Controlled by apps’ is set to ‘Beolink Converter NL/ML’. (not ML Audiomaster). I don’t have any audio products with ML, so can’t try without the BL1611.
I presume you did set the sources in the BLC page “experience mapped to NL”?
Yes, and I have re-checked this each time I have altered anything on the ‘settings’ page.
So your experience with your setting is not coherent with my findings of my system.
Only in that I can get full B&O app control of a TV when connected directly to BLC by ML. (i.e I can start it ‘unmuted’ with the app, and control fully thereafter including volume.) As stated above, I don’t have any audio products with ML hence can’t replicate your Bs9000 or BS3000 findings (hence the reason I wondered whether they would behave like my TV). If you get a chance do you have any Beolabs that you could temporarily connect to your BS3000 to see if you can use the app to start it in an unmuted state?
I would say the ‘Product Controlled by apps’ is not defining how the BLC reacts.
But it is changing the behaviour (specifically app control of ‘ML’ products) in the setups that I have described above.
Anyway, many thanks for the valuable feedback and input. Rest assured that I can get the BLC to do everything that I need it to do but was experimenting to try and help Beofile7 with his ambitious BS7000 control requirements.
And good luck with the house move – it’s always fun setting up B&O somewhere new!
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