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IIRC, the BV12 came with the BSys4?

The Bsys4 should almost be interchangable with the Theatre except for the picture/monitor control.

The problems I see is that :

1. The BV12/Bsys4 is a Beo4 controlled system
2. The BS Theatre is a BR1 Bluetooth control.
3. There is no native APP for the BeoApp in the Screen (and hence control)
4. There may be no tuning capability in the BV monitor (disabled/delegated to Bsys4)
5. Modern OLED Panel connectivity to DNLA, other equipment, CEC, will be missing

There may be a way to connect both the Bsys4 for monitor and IR control and have the BS Theatre together but I’d bet its very clunky? However, the tech between the two is over 10years apart (and probably 15 years between the panels)?

Looking at the LG G2 (or new G3) 65, why would you connect a BV12 and miss on 50% of the interaction fun when a BSTheatre and LG is arguably the best featured Beovision ever made?

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Yes, I have.

I have found the upper tweeter wears out. You can test by carefully muffling off the lower Tweeter with a soft pillow or cushion and play a high frequency sinewave track through 1 channel. This will identify if you are getting equal sound from each.

I found that one upper tweeter had gone – and as a matter of caution (the Tweeters cost relatively little), have the Service engineer replace both. This ensures equal sound and not having to do it again at £200/hr!

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The problem is not B&O, it’s the BBC wanting to lock everyone into their (paid) subscription services.  A lot of stations are moving away from vTune, TuneIn etc…

I think this is why B&O Radio was rolled out in the BeoApp…..it sorta gets around some of the short term licensing issues but stations are limited and often territorial.

An embedded VPN on your Router (if supported) my give you limited workaround in some cases??

 

 

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marexy wrote:

I repair some B&O electronic……..Just hope for an answer from someone who has repaired that kind of error as here are some guys with a lot of knowledge on repaires

Clearly, you have more knowledge than most if you are prepared to go inside a BL5 and make repairs.  I don’t think any advice I can give you – or 99.9% of the other Beoworld members would be useful?  I wish you good luck in solving the problem.

 

 

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I have known one of my BL5 to trip-out totally (red LED flashing) when playing very loud, very heavy bass.  It is Loudspeaker thermal protection. Fortunately, I did not have the problem if I didnt try to overload it and play normally. This is what the manual says….

The loudspeaker is equipped with a thermal
protection system which prevents the units
from overheating. Should an error occur, the
system automatically switches the loudspeaker
to standby – and the indicator light
flashes red.
To restore the situation:
> Disconnect the loudspeaker from the mains.
> Allow the system time to reset (approx. 3–5
minutes).
> Reconnect the loudspeaker to the mains again.

Should the problem persist, contact your Bang &
Olufsen retailer.

Regardless, it sounds like you have an internal fault and should get it checked out by an approved B&O service engineer.

 

 

 

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so you play music…..

what sort? light orchestral or big heavy boom bass? for 10 minutes?

no LED indication, then the whole speaker cuts out to standby (firm red LED)?

or just goes fully dead with no LED change?

or it continues to play the upper mid, lower treble and upper treble drivers? – just the 15inch sub goes down?

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Are you seeing a flashing red LED?

 

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Yes but the BR1 remote only showed a few stations. The update expanded it to 20

 

 

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Just add your favourite radio stations to “My Stations” in the App. Don’t think it works with the old TuneIn stations

selecting Music button on the BR1 brings up “B&O Radio >” and from there you can thumb all the station names in the My Stations list (up to 20)

 

 

 

 

 

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IIRC, The BS5 downloads radio stations from B&O itself. I think it uses BeoConnect and your B&O account. You cannot load up your own URLs. Make sure you are logged into your B&O account.

If you are connected to the Network and can “see” inside the BS/BM5 from your PC, the info slider should tell you that you are connected. If not, it may be that there is a bug (reboot) and ensure your are logged into your account. Again, historically, when I had similar messings-about with the BS5 ,a factory reset usually pot things right.

 

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I dont think the power cords are an issue. B&O has always packed cheap power cords and Ive found that they are reliable. As to the powerlink, I guess it depends who made them? Genuine B&O and soundsheavely cables are reliable. If it was the wrong type (I think with ICE-Powered Beolabs…you will get a hum. Not a crackle. However, if something has been strained or compressed – it may leads to problems.

I would not discount that your equipment is old and has worked a long time. A lot of B&O – particularly at that age can be serviced. As I said above…I would be surprised if you did Service the TV…a Capacitor or two may need replacing?

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The BL5 will keep its calibration in non-volatile memory.

The last time I read-up on this, the Mk1 BL5 could keep only 10 calibrations and needed a Dealer re-set to clear the 10 memory allocations and to be able to re-calibrate. i.e. dont do resets unless you are changing the sonic signature of your listening room. Whether this limitation was address by the MK2…..or whatever version, I am not sure?

 

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Just an add on.

Does anyone in Beoworld know if the BS5/BM5 used vTuner as it’s web radio module?

if so, v.Tuner has been down for a couple of days now (Auralic board has raised a concern). This may be why the radio has stopped?

 

 

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Unfortunately I don’t. It’s a long time since I played with one. They are problematic machines because of the way Windows SE is the core program with a B&O wrapper over the top.

As I’ve stated, if you get into maintenance mode and get into Windows (you will need a usb mouse and keyboard), you will see network settings combining in ot not from your home network.

Part of the factory reboot is to help reset those connections in terms of the B&O wrapper and accredited B&O account.

it’s something I have muscle memory on……..but it is very difficult to guide you through to success via a web forum.

 

 

 

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Long time since I was tinkering with a BS5. If you can ascertain the BM5 is connected to the network that would be good.

Next, try rebooting

Next, try service menu with a mouse and keyboard and tinker around the network settings in windows SE.

Next, try a factory reset.

Ultimately, it may just be that B&O have killed that server and because the BS5 can’t get authorisation……..it simply clears the radio list.

 

 

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Testing the connections on the BL6000 is not easy but the MX6000 is straight-forward. (Lay the 6000s flat and fiddle around with the connection. Maybe taking the foot off will help?

Also play swapsies with the cable and channel selection. 1 cable. MX PL1, BL6000 PL1, switch pos 1 and 2, repeat for PL2 on the same speaker etc….. Go methodically through all the combinations of MX-PL connect, cables, channels, L/R speaker….if it persists throughout – likely its the MX. Maybe you get lucky and its a broken Powerlink cable?

With the age of that equipment there may be a possibility that there is an internal component near failure? A Cap perhaps? Once you have done logical swapsies and no clearer on the answer, its better to take it into a repairer who is familiar with servicing older B&O to see if they can lock down the fault?

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So just to add to the chitter-chatter looking at the Nvida, it looks from the specs (and again my interpretation of tech), that it too cannot handle DTSX? Rather, it passes the buck to the downstream reciever to fix the problem?

Another point is that when you buy a BR disc, or download files from say Kaleidescape, they come with many attached formats. There may be a 4K HDR attached audio file (usually Atmos/DTS-HD) but also they include audio files for non-BR quality sound files (also second language audio files are subordinate quality). So my Atomic Blond Movie I talked about previously has these files attached

4K HDR
English (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)
English (DTS-HD Master Audio Stereo)

BLU-RAY QUALITY
English (DTS:X)
Spanish (DTS 5.1)
French (DTS 5.1)
Director’s Commentary by David Leitch w/ Editor Elísabet Ronaldsdóttir*
Described Video – English (Dolby Digital Stereo)

DVD QUALITY
English (Dolby Digital 5.1)
Spanish (Dolby Digital 5.1)
French (Dolby Digital 5.1)
Director’s Commentary by David Leitch w/ Editor Elísabet Ronaldsdóttir*
Described Video – English (Dolby Digital Stereo)

So with the Nvida , guess it depends where you get your files or streams from. Its not just the BS Theatre arrogantly using Atmos only and neglecting DTSX users……the whole industry (from media to hardware ) is like that.

 

 

 

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I think most streaming services (Netflix, most of amazon Prime) is DD+. Amazon does show Atmos film …..but Im not convinced (from a data package perspective). Next time I play back something on amazon as Atmos…I’ll check Signal Info at to what the Theatre is recieving.

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As I currently understand it, there there is very little between Dolby and DTS root encoding. I believe but stand to be corrected is they are all supported in the Theatre at PCM 5.1 and maybe 7.1??

Where it gets tricky for the Theatre is the extensions to the core encoding of Dolby and DTS is supplying uncompressed data and spacial coordinates of each discrete recorded object. Dolby Atmos specifies height channels to the Atmos, DTSX does not but does give information in a different way to give the impression of 3D spaciousness.

The Theatre has only been programmed to decode the full Atmos compatible data. If it cannot, or if no height speakers are detected, it defaults to a lower standard.

in terms of Atmos or DTSX, when I look at films available in the US Kaleidescape store….there is I believe +10000 titles available to buy. Approx 45 titles are encoded to DTSX, whereas approx 700 are encoded as Dolby Atmos. The rest are of lower standards of both, all the way down to PCM2.0

i can’t tell if DTSX is rising in popularity or not. I suspect not and most studios are releasing in the main Atmos. Additionally, a few days ago I watched Atomic Blonde. It’s one of the 45 DTSX titles available. It played just fine with PCM5.1. Is that the Kaleidescape Player or the Theatre? I cant tell?

 

 

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chartz wrote:

Blah blah. The man is listening to himself. Almost every YouTube video is like that. A written review is much better in my opinion.

people like Andrew Robinson, John Darko et al are all ex-HiFi magazine writer/reviewers. Their job – and livelihood – like all these reviewers is to stitch together word salads to entertain and enthuse us to go and buy the product. An articulated advertisement if you like. Paid by sponsors and product enablers by the word.

With Robinson, at least we have someone speaking about the B&O brand and trying to project its values. Most don’t or won’t. Darko for instance tries to vblog products arguably in the lower spectrum (sub £2000-ish products).

Like all audio products, they are 100% discretionary and anyone buying an A1 or a BL90, or anything in between, you as an adult need to do your due diligence on if it meets your needs, is it worth it and can you really afford it?

At least Robinson invites you in the door to see more.

 

 

 

 

 

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