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I moved into a house with a basic description to yours, a lounge approx 10m x 5m wide, with a kitchen and dining room all in open plan to one another making the floor area over 12 x 8. To add to that, the lounge has 3m high ceilings but opens up to over 7m high in the staircase/atrium.

The lounge, dining room and staircase/atrium all have large walls of glass on 1 to 3 sides.

Im still renovating but expect to be done in the next 3 weeks when I can test how the room calibration on the 90s, 8s and Theatre all work once we have thrown down som soft furnishings (rugs, sofas, chairs, curtains etc)

From an acoustic point of view, I can tell you the following:-

1. The 90s fill the room, but then we know that and it’s about maxing-out the quality

2. The Theatre can fill the room as a standalone. Again, it’s about maximising quality,

3. The BL8s can’t fill the room without getting stressed. They will be surrounds anyway.

4. The Shape on a hanging Atrium wall sounds surprisingly good for “atmospheric” music like jazz or piano – a bit like when you hear that music being played in a large hotel foyer.

Good luck with the built – choosing what B&O gear you use will be the least of your problems..believe me.

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As a child, I remember my parents giving me those “colour-in” and puzzle books with “spot the difference” drawings. I was pretty good at it by all accounts….but my knack of spotting the difference is somewhat waning with this app release?

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I have stated here and elsewhere that the B&O app does not know what it is?

Is it a setup app (seems like it to me) with a crappy player as an add-on afterthought or…

Is it a poor experience player with poor control/search and integration of media sources and relatively poor multiroom control over that playback experience which focuses on first-time setup?

 

And there’s more……

I’ve almost completed the renovation of my new home. The wiring was crappy, mixed sources to some circuits (2 breakers!! for an energy source) and some lighting where you had to go the end of the 3-storey staircase to turn the staircase light on (no duplexing). I added Moes (Moeshouse) Tuya/Zigbee lights/bulbs throughout plus a few of control panels shown below.

The photograph below shows a Moes 5in Tuya control hub. This thing picks up an correlates/coordinates everything on my Zigbee network (it can also do Matter as well). It is rock-solid, built like a tank and either powered from a 220V L/N power outlet or can be POE.

Just how difficult would it be for B&O to adopt something like this for personal control of our B&O devices. Multiroom – select what and what. Sound Modes/Beosonic etc….. dead easy and real convenient.

As always, B&O seem to be developing custom software down a dead-end (Remember how the Mozart platform was going to have Matter – nada?) rather than looking at what the industry is doing.

 

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While the topic is current…..I’ll post some quick comments on my new A5…..

1. A5 was purchased to replace an A6 as our “outside” dining music device and its reliance on a power cord.
2. The music is good for what it is and its physical limitations for sound.
3. As per the battery issue above, I suspect the A5 battery is rather like a P6 in the removal of a base/foot rubber/silicone ring (messy)
4. I also suspect the charging circuit will go before the batter – like the P6, A2 and others.
5. Not a fan of the USB-C charging right at the bottom of the aluminium base plate. I can see that has potential problems over time?
6. I am not a fan of the rubberised top – it seems to be a dirt magnet but guess it seals the electronics in from the moisture?
7. I think not having illuminated or textured buttons was a design error. At a dinner table in the garden at night its difficult to see (and impossible to feel) what you’re pressing.

Otherwise a nice-enough product to own and to use in a mobile-way in the home.

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Hi Matte,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I actually flew with the A5 in hand baggage last week – an impulse buy while in London on a brief visit.

I was assuming a combination of 3.7, 7.4 and 7200/9000mAh so had the Wh’s for each in my head. A lot of airlines are now reducing the Wh to 50 with the exception of Laptops and its a definite no-no for any battery now in the hold.

Anyway, airline never asked…I never told them and 2 x Airport Security didn’t give 2 pennies either.

But thanks again for taking time to answer.

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I flicked this YT video over to my forum friends over at Auralic (High-end Streamers and DACs) to share the love.

Howls of “I prefer my music on-axis” was the overwhelming cry and that they still really dont “get-it” vis-a-vis BL90.

I think the presentation spent too much time on the development of the BL90s and not enough on the virtues of in-room calibration – which again, the “Audiophile pack” like those in the Auralic forums are “Dirac-mad” and craving for their boxes to have a Dirac app loaded into the firmware something that the BL5 was doing as a sorts in 2003.

I continue to be surprised by the (negative) reactions of people when they they listen to this type of material by B&O/GM etc..

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Note to Moderators/site admin. Not sure if the “Quote” functions are working correctly on-site?

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How much would anyone like to wager that this little box is indeed the BC-Encore and it has a 3000Euro mark-up to be configured with the BS-9000c?

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There was some talk/links over on Discord/BeoTalk of someone in Germany who had developed a Masterlink/RJ45 “device” than could integrate older Masterlink Products via the current NL protocols for 100Euro or so.

I imagine the encore is not as well-developed as this little “professional but amateur” (or Amateur but professional) device this individual made and is now selling. As I own no ML products I was not really paying attention.but its out there for those that do.

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The App should be totally free. You buy the app when you buy new products (people who buy second-hand or legacy products – that is again covered by new sales)

In my opinion the App is highly confused in what it is and what it pretends to be.

1. Per my opening statement, the app is highly focussed on product selection and setup.
2. It is highly buggy (especially with Theatre, BL28 and other product roll-outs)
3. The main “experience” i.e. playing music and video via the BeoApp player is not a great experience nor enjoyable in my opinion. There is certainly no “B&O magic” in the interaction part for sure.

B&O really need to get this platform working correctly and stable – it is the “face” of all their current products. For instance….every time I pull the App on my iPad, select Theatre for instance…..it is as if im looking at a factory install. Favourites gone, listening position gone, remote dialogue on, etc……

Come back 10 minutes later and all the settings have loaded on the app. The BR1 and Halo are unaffected.

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My gut feeling is the BeoConnect Core (BC Core) has a lot more features under the hood that B&O have not told us about on release (though WISA is not one of them) and  who knows if these features will get rolled out over time? I think it is a capable device but won’t be allowed to cannibalise other products in the current line-up.

However, back on topic, nice that the new core is……no way should it be considered a 100 year anniversary product.

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matteventu wrote:

This is a good point, I remember reading (can’t remember where) that apparently B&O HQ was buying a lot of used Beolab 5…

yes, very lazy from B&O;

1. Buy back all the junk BL5s with busted or near-busted chassis.
2. probably re-cap them and maybe a new Eprom
3. Add new speaker drivers
4. Re-cloth the frets
5. Spin a few new lens covers in a Limited Edition Colour

i.e. all the stuff they have been charging B&O customers for years for repairs and parts on the BL5 and sell it to the Arty High-Net-Worth individuals at x10 the price of new.

Money for old rope I’d say.

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The Beoconnect Core will do what I believe you want…..

HDMI to BC-Core. Powerlink out to your Beolabs?

You need to check with your Dealer but I think you will be able to load the Beo/LG App in the LG and get control??

 

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I think it is a wide-spread problem. I lost BL90s the other day too as a Product and therefore cannot control BL90s via the BeoApp. Interestingly, I have retained all the normal controls in the BeoRemotes and in the 2016 Beolab 90 standalone App.

Im sure there will be a fix in soon because I know now of at least 5 sets of BL90/50s affected.

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Hi Noel,

Attached are old instructions. Please give me the weekend to find and see if the remote still powers up (I cant test it on anything anymore). Please PM me.

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I believe I have one somewhere in one of my many boxes which have recently landed in SE Asia. I think I have instructions somewhere too. I will post these later/tomorrow to see if they are of any help? Otherwise open to discussion.

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Beofile7 wrote:

I will not elaborate here right now suffice to say I am at my witt’s end with these things… The issues just never end. But for now a question only for BL50 users…? What is the “output level” on the app for? I have an idea but I want to hear from others? Thanks.

Im not 100% sure what “Output Level” is that you refer to or what your issues are with the BL50s? However, I’ll take a guess that you are selecting various maximum input voltage levels between powerlink anf RCA……lifted from the BL50 white paper…page24….https://bangolufsenassistentgohe.blob.core.windows.net/manuals/SPEAKERS/BEOLAB_50/beolab_50_technical_sound_guide.pdf

Different audio sources have different
maximum analogue output levels.
Typically, a maximum level from a
line-level RCA output is 2.0 V RMS,
however, different manufacturers
occasionally choose to deliver a higher
output level on some models.
In order to maximise the
signal-to-noise ratio of your audio
system, the BeoLab 50 gives you the
option to change the Maximum Input
Voltage for the the RCA line input. The
datasheet for your audio source should
indicate its maximum output level. The
value in the BeoLab 50 interface
should be set to match this value.
If the source has a higher maximum
output level than that which is set in
the BeoLab 50 interface, this may
cause distortion due to clipping of the
signal at the loudspeaker’s inputs.
If the source has a lower maximum
output level than that which is set in
the BeoLab 50 interface, this will cause
your maximum output of the
loudspeaker to be lower, and the
output noise floor to be increased.
Options 2.0, 4.0, 6.5 V RMS
Factory Default 2.0 V RMS
Note that the Maximum Input Voltage
parameter is only available for the RCA
line input.

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I had a Serenata. Used it for about 5 years and it was still great until the tech was sooooo out-dated I had no choice to change.

Put it in a box with all the docks etc…(including the full metal stand/dock. Let it sit there for a few years. I checked it out I remember a couple of years ago and although it charged, the screen looked like stripey red/yellow/black wall paper. The screen was intact but thought something had gone inside. chucked it (regret).

Im not sure if there is internal oxidation, or a chip has corroded or whatever but I remember both the Serenata and Serene had a no-compromise LCD screen (meaning out of date pixel count and non-standard size when it was born). I would be shocked if replacements could be sourced. Are they all something more than an expensive paper-weight or garbage bin filler now (sadly)?

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Products this year will be very limited. (June to June.??). I’ve seen a list but can’t find it but it is something like this….

1. Beolab 8 – released

2. A Beolink converter/transformer-type product

3. Something for the Cisco office-type platform

4. Some minor updates on the smaller IEMs and headphones products

5. Lots of colours on the existing range.

i think with the BL8 and 28, B&O are moving away from the era of the separate subwoofer. BL19 is the last-chance saloon if you want to go the separate BnO sub pathway that you can still buy from new.

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geoffmartin wrote:

There may be some incorrect assumptions about what the terms “Frequency Range” and “Bass Capability” mean.

Yes Geoff, a big problem is that the 1% of B&O customers in this forum – including myself make incorrect assumptions so what do the other 99% of general B&O customers think/know about bass capacity or other detailed principles of loudspeaker acoustics? Nothing I assume? So why do B&O market this new specification. It’s not a general market sector bench mark for sales and I’m pretty sure a very high percentage of B&O Dealers won’t know what it means either.

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