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Trackbeo,

No, you misunderstood my point. TuneIn has got very average over the last couple of years with lots of channels not being supported or unavailable in my country. Monetisation or not, it’s fading.

I was referring to the gusto (and lack of, plus the absence of clear info/direction) from B&O! As far as “radio” channels go, I just want to press a button and receive the channel and don’t really care what mode that comes as.

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At the moment, I have little enthusiasm for trying to make this work as Radio currently runs 0%of the time on my B&O sources, relying on my Auralic systems. That said, I had a quick look last night on the BeoApp and my Beoplay A6.

So I looked at the migrate box, then somehow lost it last night. Closed down everything last night and re-booted this morning. Migrate button back. migrated. It seems to run a simple code to find equivalence in the B&O Radio. However, the B&O Radio is not yet supported in the A6 (I doubt it ever will be?). Refound the TuneIn stations and made them favourite.

I would also add, that those with TuneIn, will have a tuneIn account. Here you can select favs and order them as required. The B&O TuneIn source can then retrieve these pretty quickly.

Edit. The whole thing seems a little half-baked and low-energy from B&O. My feeling is it is all too much trouble.

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355f wrote:

Another thing I cant seem to do is to select wide or narrow mode on beolab 28 via the BR1 Can anyone do this?

what I have done is initially setup 2 listening positions with room sense; 1 with the surrounds + Theatre, 1 with the BL90 only. I then copied the BL90 listening position and in speaker configuration:-

“Video” = BSTH/BL90/BL3 – Preset 0 (auto)

”Narrow” = BL90 – Preset 1 (high latency)

Preset 2 and 3 for “Wide” and “Omni”

Im supposing you can do similar for BL28 but don’t know what the presets used are? (0 to 6).

Then BR1 >> List >> Speaker >> select listening pos.

n.b. I still have to test this but this is what I’ve done!

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355f wrote:

very impressed with my Theatre so far, voice clarity is exceptional ; far away fro the eclipse. One issue I have; On the app one can choose to add a source to beoremote, when i do this they dont all appear? Is that my error?

I think there is a bug which i have raised with B&O support.

The App transfer enables 10 items to TV and 10 items to Music. I have found renaming a source too many times may cause it to lock-up and default to HMDI… Reset of BSTH is the only way I have found so far.

Also, the LG Player App (i.e. my DNLA network server), Amazon Music App cannot be moved to the music button.

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That’s interesting. When I did room sense, it just worked but I did not look to see if it was in high/low latency. I think I was in auto (video, low latency).

I gave B&O support feedback on the App this morning: that is if you play BL90 via XLR (configured to narrow mode/high latency) and go to standby, then fire up TV, there was a sync error and the BL90 stayed in narrow rather than auto select (0) to wide mode. So, it appears the BL90s aren’t fully integrated yet??

 

Nice setup BTW

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I have never heard the BL17s, but have had the BL4000’s. Although Im not suggesting they sound the same, I find the form-factor is to me, somewhat dated.

The BS Balance was always crying-out for a Powerlink RJ45 connector and it astounds me B&O never did this (PL/Wisa Speaker and/or Beosound).

If it were possible to connect BS Balance via wire to my Theatre, i’d take the plunge immediately. To me, with the Theatre, its not about absolute sound quality of the fronts but about spacial atmosphere. I think the BSTH will be a great leveller when used with all manner of Beolabs. I think there will be very few Beolab combinations what will sound average or poor.

I think it is not inconceivable to see a rush to hoover-up used BL3’s from eBay (not many BL17s there) as people dash for added ambience to that system.

As mentioned in the main Theatre post, I can see huge opportunity for B&O to take the BL14 concept and re-develop it in to small, discrete ambience speakers to maximise the 7.1.4 potential. We dont need BL18, 28, 50, 90’s everywhere filling the room. A couple of statement pieces with the Theatre but the rest are very discrete (but powerful) add-ons.

I would not sweat on your choice on the Balance or 17’s. Either one would be excellent if they could be integrated. I guess well have to see what happens to the Balance?

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Beo911,

Strange behaviour? As I’ve indicated way way back, Loading the LG App was a problem that my Dealer had to do remotely, BeoApp in the BSTH was straightforward.

Adding the BL90/BL3 was again very straightforward. The only eyebrow raiser is that when you add speakers, you see the Soundbar and two + boxes. Intuitively, you would place FL and FR but no. You add FL and branch-off RL, and the second +, you add SL and branch off SR

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Themanthemyth wrote:

I still feel like i am missing a answer regarding the Stage & Panasonic? Haha

Stage?

Load BeoApp, investigate settings in Stage, see if the Pana Genereic is on the PUC list same way as indicated on Theatre.

is Stage HDMI-CEC compliant?

Have you tried connecting and see if it works?

Have you contacted your Dealer for his/her insight?

All this will help clarify Stage/Pana BR control

 

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Beo911 wrote:

Has anybody here managed so far, to add a pair of older Beolab speakers via Powerlink to the Theater?

I added a +10yr old BL3s without issue. I imagine that you may have a cable/adapter cable/channel switch issue?

Is a coax connected to the BL5 to another digital source? Remember, coax carries the signal, powerlink the volume signal? Disconnect if you do and retest?

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BeoMedia wrote:

how long is the included HDMI cable which comes with the BeoSound Theatre? (I guess same question applies for the ethernet RJ45 cable and power cable).

I didn’t measure them but estimate 0.75 to 1.0m. I would state that there is just enough to connect from a 65 panel to the BSTH, plus a couple of spare centimetres.

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DHA wrote:

As an aside I am wonder if the hiss/white noise I am experiencing is due to the power cable. It didn’t seat that well in the port when I set it up, took effort to put it in place but didn’t feel that secure. I might try another cable to see if that resolves the issue. The shop is looking at the on-board diagnostics to see if they can see any issues

I dont think seating it will cause a hiss? If the BSTH is completely standalone and does not have a TV panel hard-mounted to it, and can you can disconnect, pick it up and place it on a power socket away from your current supply – particularly one on a different breaker if you can – that should identify if the BSTH is faulty or not?

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Themanthemyth wrote:

My question is if it’s worth it as a standalone all in one atmos system. From the reviews the Atmos from the Theatre hasn’t been as impressive as the Sennheiser Ambeo. It sounds like it catters more to people with Beolab speakers.

Honestly, I think it is the usual story – price. These magazines want everything super-cheap and offer a subjective justification in their own way. Sennheisers advertising revenue has to be justified.

B&O has always been a lot more expensive but always comes with added extras. Think Beovisions with PUC, motorised stand and a Surround Processor compared to well…a TV panel, internal speakers on a plastic stand with a plastic remote? There is no real comparison or off-set for the added value.

The BSTH brings a lot of the typical fully-loaded Beovision features with the ability to recycle panels often. This also includes adding or re-tasking Beolabs to the system. It keeps legacy systems alive for a lot of us. Frankly – and perhaps most can determine from my rampant comments of the forum recently, I am greatly relieved for the BSTH. I was greatly concerned as to what was going to replace the Eclipse. Harmony is not may favourite design and way way too expensive for the frill of rotating screen loudspeakers. The Stage and Contour are to me, Beovision dead-ends in so far as product integration.

With the BSTH, I can also see my financial exposure to Beovisions reduce from circa +£10k every 5 year replacement (~£2k/year, may be more if parts run-out quickly – i.e. Gen1 Eclipse) to one where replacing the screen only could significantly reduce that overhead to less than £400k/yr.

People ultimately have a choice. Go buy the Sennheiser Ambeo if you feel it is “better”? As a standalone, it may well be better for you and your needs but don’t pretend these “written” reviews are in anyway objective. Most of them – including those who have done the BSTH as well as other Soundbars are Chancers with a GoPro and a mic putting out an opinion sitting in a shop.

For me, I’ve re-discovered B&O Video and I’m happy that my long-standing investments are still relevant for some time to come.

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Sandyb wrote:

~Certainly more capable as a stand alone than a stand alone Eclipse / Harmony.

Indeed. The BSTH blows the Eclipse out of the water. In the 4-5years I had one, I had the soundbar muted and relied on phantom BL90 and the BL3.

 

As a side note, and thinking how the BSTH manages sound distribution, I think there is a good case for B&O to refresh the BL14 concept (but without the sub) i.e. a very small discrete loudspeaker set for added spatial/ATMOS ambience without dominating the viewing room more than it may already be?

Hopefully B&O are paying attention?

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Thanks for confirming. Yes I’m on auto update but v3.1.0 as far as I can ascertain is from April this year.

I may be wrong on this but I think

3.1.0 = BL90 firmware

v0.23.699 = BeoApp control??

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Beo911 wrote:

There was also an update for BL90 yesterday.

I’m still stuck on v3.1.0.1187 (april 22). What V. are you now showing?

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Beo911 wrote:

To be more precise about my Powerlink issue with the Theatre: When i have the BL90 connected and setup in the App as Powerlink, the room compensation measurement process for a 5.1 speakergroup using the microphone is stopped as soon as the signal hits the Powerlink connected BL90’s. It works though, when the BL90’s are set up and connected as wireless to the Theatre in the App. Then it is possible to get a room corrected speaker group preset and the process functions as expected.

Ive just been playing with this very aspect (I think).

This is what I have done so far, and have yet to test it critically.

1. Listening Positions parameters
2. Run Room Sense BSTH/BL90/BL3 surround setup. Speaker Preset to 0 (Auto). Rename to “Video”. Set as Start-up Default 5.1
3. Re-Run Room Sense but with BSTH/BL3 omitted i.e. BL90 Only. Speaker Preset to 1 (Narrow beam I think). Rename to Narrow
4. Duplicate BL90 Narrow Listening position, Rename to wide, Speaker Preset to 2 (wide beam)
5. As above for Omni, Speaker Preset to 3

There is a bug in the Beoapp that can only display 1.5 buttons for listening positions. However, if I have this right, you can operate BL90s in true narrow mode with two front loudspeakers only, and flick into Video mode, with the correct delays/sync and fire-up all loudspeaker sets including the BSTH.

If you are firing up the BL90s from a 3rd Party device, they (I think) operate with the original calibration installed from the BL90 room Sense and not that of the Theatre.

Again, I have asked B&O to look into this and sort-out the mish-mash they have now made.

As a final note, please connect your BL90s via Powerlink rather than WISA. They and your ears deserve them.

 

 

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DHA wrote:

Ethernet into the input port then two ethernet cables out (one to Apple TV, the other to xbox series s) HDMI from TV e-Arc to Theatre, two HDMI inputs A has Apple TV and B has xbox series s Nothing else connected.

So the simple stuff is to disconnect each one of the External device sources at the HDMI/LAN level behind the TV.  Im sure you have done this already and I apologise if I come across as trying to teach you to suck eggs!!

Check the eARC. HDMI cable. I dont think the B&O supplied cable is directional but check just in case.

If that does not do anything, try running a long extension lead/power cord and power the BSTH and TV panel from different power sockets on different lines if you can?

The only reason I state this is I had a similar problem with my BL90s in the upper treble domes. (connecting with 3rd party audio separates, cables, and the Beovision). It was a dog to find the fault and only stopped when I plugged my 3rd party separates into a power regenerator to clean the power supply. Something was causing a ground loop hum.

There may be something much simpler (faulty BSTH maybe) but these are first things to test before calling your Dealer.

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Beo911 wrote:

Reading and understanding the Technical Sound Guide of BS Theatre and BL90 may help … will try to do that the next days.

Do you have a link for this? I know of the TV/surround guides but not for the Theatre specifically?

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B&O have just issued a BS Theatre update right now of v2.3.4.

Bugfixes and Stability improvements

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Beo911,

OK, lets see if this puts you on a track worth considering…..

1. BV Eclipse (Mk1 with cr@ppy LG Music Player)
2. BL90, Powerlink from BV to BL90
3. Equals cr@appy sound. No other BS product worthy in my opinion – including Core.
4. I purchased an Auarlic G2 stack, feed BL90s via XLR. Happy but have to control 3rd party products which are not fully integrated into B&O Ecosystem.

I added the BL90s to the BeoApp (if you had the original BL90 App – as good – even better). Placed BL90 Line-sense into Automatic. Next Powerlink, XLR, SPDIF etc…Set Thresholds and time-outs.

So for TV, Theatre all works properly with distributed sound. I have communicated to B&O (feedback as Beta user in Theatre-BeoApp) about Wide/Narrow/Omni settings and sync-ing needs some attention.

For the Auralic system, BL90s fires-up, hits narrow mode etc…. I use an Essence Remote in IR mode for volume control, Auralic DAC set to 100% XLR output, use the Auralic App for tracks, albums etc…. BS Core definitely not required or missed.

The only issue I had to watch (not tested on the BSTH yet), is when listening to Auralic music on the BL90, going to Sleep, the BL90s have a 60 sec minimum time-out to Standby. Firing up the Eclipse before the 60sec time-out, it recognised the BL90s as not available. This could be corrected on the BR1 control by List >> Speaker >> Video setting (video in my BR1 was to go to 5.1 sound, with Wide dispersion on the BL90).

Hopefully that helps?

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