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Mr10Percent wrote:

In addition to my post above, Dolby Digital Plus (DD+), is a streaming codec used in Amazon, Netflix and Vudu and supports Atmos. The DTS-TrueHD Atmos extension gets folded into the DD+ bitstream, and is either decoded or ignored depending the receiver’s capabilities. DD+ uses lossy compression, DTS-TrueHD does not. DTS works in a similar manner but this time, it should be accompanied with extensions to enable more advanced format playback. This may be Hutsefruts problem? He may not have the accompanying extension in his files to allow transcribing by an Atmos receiver?

I think you made a typo in using “DTS-TrueHD” when you actually meant “Dolby TrueHD” for Dolby’s version of lossless. DTS’s lossless format is “DTS-HD Master Audio.” Streaming services only use lossy Dolby. Whereas, we get the full lossless formats on discs — if they are included on the disc. However, some discs will only offer lossless in DTS -TrueHD and lossy for Dolby. And vise-versa. When it comes to object-based formats such as Dolby Atmos and DTS:X, it must be decoded in the receiver, i.e. the Theatre. Object-based formats cannot be sent LPCM. They would be down-mixed for LPCM. B&O should just make it simple and provide us with both Dolby and DTS formats (including Dolby Atmos and DTS:X) to make it simple for us.

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I’m not arguing for the superiority of one format over the other. Rather, I’m just pointing out that disc provides a far superior sound than streaming. Looking at the fact that nearly all streaming is one format (Dolby) neglects the fact that some disc content will only give us the best possible sound with DTS — just because they only offer that as the best sound. Movie collectors will have a great amount of movies that only offer the best audio in DTS format. Therefore, if we’re to enjoy the best possible audio on all movie content, we need both formats on the Theatre.

[beojeff]

I was suggesting some titles that you might look up on the Kaleidescape store to see if the best possible sound quality is DTS:X. Kaleidescape is dedicated to providing the best movie experience at home (or on a yacht, lol) so that’s a good source to see how we need to be able to get the most out of our B&O audio and video.

[beojeff]

The list of DTS:X blu-ray/UHD movies is pretty long. Included in the list are the Harry Potter movies, Fifty Shades movies, Jason Bourne movies, and Jurassic Park movies.

[beojeff]

Mr10Percent wrote:

I think B&O have been hammered endlessly in the past for going their own way with standards and have listened it seems to their customers and integrated the “current hot potato” of movie sound formats: Dolby Atmos. People can argue this way or that but despite the success of the BS Theatre, and it’s price point, they won’t be selling thousands of them like the mainstream manufacturers. As a consequence, I guess they needed to lockdown a design and a licence, rather than trying to buy them (formats) all in.

Do you see many DTS:X movies on your new Kaleidescape?

[beojeff]

Most blu-ray/UHD players should be able to decode the DTS and then send sound to the Theatre. Where we really need the Theatre for decoding is with DTS:X and the new DTS:X Pro formats.

I think that B&O is making a mistake in listening to claims that only Dolby and Dolby Atmos are the only formats needed because DTS is hardly ever used in streaming (excepting the Kaleidescape system — which is a difference creature altogether and more downloading than streaming). For people with lower-end audio systems, streaming might be fine. However, with higher performing speakers that you get with B&O you can tell a HUGE, MASSIVE difference between streaming and physical disc (or Kaleidescape). In looking through my huge blu-ray/UHD collection, I was surprised to see how many titles really do use DTS.

[beojeff]

I haven’t seen the mentioned issues. However, I’ve been seeing for weeks that if the Theatre has been in standby for over about an hour that starting the Theatre does not turn on the LG screen. If the Theatre has been sent to standby and is restarted within a short time, then the LG screen turns on and there is no problem.

[beojeff]

splud wrote:

How do you manually add a speaker connected to the Receiver 1? Thanks

You cannot include the Receiver 1 in the speaker group when performing Room Sense or Room Sense will completely fail. After you create the listening position with Room Sense without the Receiver 1, you select the listening position, touch the three dots in the upper right corner, and then select Advanced settings. This will allow you to then select the Receiver 1 to include in the speaker group. However, you must manually input all values for the speaker — it isn’t automatically calculated by Room Sense. This feature was added in the latest version of the B&O app.

[beojeff]

Mr10Percent wrote:

So how does Theatre know there is something connected? My assumption was some speaker role was added (even if manual addition and even if it is seen as Receiver 1 but may have any speaker connected to it). Obviously, I’m unable to simulate this. Assumed something in “edit positions”

The manual addition in listening positions is far from ideal — but it’s the best we have for right now to add a Receiver 1 until B&O sorts this out to have the proper calculations done in Room Sense. The Beosystem 4, that did not have internal WISA support and relied on a Transmitter 1, would have us add 3.5 meters to the actual speaker distance to compensate for the delay. However, from reading the Beovision Technical Sound Guide it sounds like Beovisions that supported WISA already adjusted for the sound delay.

[beojeff]

Currently, Receiver 1 speakers cannot be added by Room Sense. They have to be added manually. Therefore, I’m curious if we need to add extra distance to the actual distance for wireless delay compensation. Has anyone heard an answer to this?

[beojeff]

Does anyone know if we need to add to the distance of Receiver 1 speakers to adjust for the slight time lag? I’m thinking that since we’re doing this in the manual settings that the adjustment might not be automatic. We always had to add distance for WISA speakers in the Beosystem 4 settings.

[beojeff]

Being more on topic, my migration would have been MUCH easier if B&O wasn’t neglecting the Beosound Moment. Currently, it is impossible to use a Moment with the Theatre. I understand that B&O has moved away from allowing integrated setups with new Beovisions and the Theatre. However, we currently cannot even have the Theatre join a Moment that is playing to play that source. In the B&O app, if you touch the Theatre in the list of devices to join the music playing from the Moment, nothing happens. This just seems to be the Moment. Or perhaps it’s the same with other Mozart products? The Theatre is my only Mozart product.

It does seem that B&O is trying really hard for us to forget that the Beosound Moment ever existed. The Moment has had its terrible snags, but it finally working pretty solidly.

[beojeff]

trackbeo wrote:

Off-topic I know, but re: above: Detail: Done with RFID tags in the sleeves and a reader behind the paneling. Missing Detail: @beojeff, who’s the integrator? Of did you DIY the reader mount too? I said to BeoBoston what would be *truly* magical would be if there were a camera on the opposite wall (it’s pretty tight quarters right there at the entrance) matching the covers with discogs data. Or a shopping cart scanner on the back for UPC codes (you know, for all that modern stuffe). ¡¡¡Dream on!!!

It’s still not available to the public and is considered an experimental feature of the BLI. I was chosen to beta test. However, the system is actually quite stable and simple as well as very inexpensive for the parts. I used a $10 wooden ipad stand from ikea for my album stand. It just takes a tremendous amount of time for the macro programming, which is actually just quite simple but repetitive. It took me many hours just to update all of the macros from Beosystem 4 to Beosound Theatre.

There are other experimental features of the BLI that are quite fascinating as well. It will be interesting to see what develops over time.

[beojeff]

Mr10Percent wrote:

I’ll let Beojeff fill-in the details on that but this is something I’ve seen before. Looks like some sort of coding in the record sleeve with FLAC playback?
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That’s the very same setup that I have — but with over 300 LPs. It’s a real jaw-dropper for guests who think B&O is truly magical.

[beojeff]

A task that I hadn’t thought of in changing to the Theatre was the editing of macros with the BLI. I just now finally finished the huge task of converting all 300+ vinyl record albums to play through the Theatre. I had programmed over 300 macros to use the secret hidden function of the Beoliving Intelligence to play my vinyl records when they’re placed on a stand — as done in B&O showrooms. It was a labor of love, but the result is pure B&O magic.

[beojeff]

I love my Beolab 9s. They have such a deep, rich bass and are great for both music and movies. Of course, 90s are the coveted speakers, but there is quite a huge jump in cost to get to the 50s or 90s. Steve at Sounds Heavenly did a great video about the Beolab 9s where he applauded them as great speakers at a reasonably affordable price.

The BL3s are surprisingly good performers when you add a subwoofer to them. Just please don’t place them upside-down as they’re shown in the comedy show “Modern Family.”

[beojeff]

Thank you, Geoff.

When you explain things, it really helps me understand. I’m beginning to see that maybe I had gotten too hung up on the 7.1.4 (or maybe it’s 7.3.4 now according to the new role options for subwoofers?) limitation of True Image upmixing. I had become so fascinated by the speaker placement guides on the Dolby Atmos site that I was thinking how great it would be to take advantage of True Image to extend my setup to 9.1.4 or even 11.1.6. Perhaps MORE speakers might not always be BETTER — such as in a setup where I was thinking of adding BL6000 speakers for the Wide roles when those speakers would not be able to perform as well as the 4 BL9 and 2 BL1 speakers they would be competing with.

[beojeff]

geoffmartin wrote:

Severed_hand_of_skywalker wrote:

beojeff wrote:

Also, note that we can now assign the “Center” role to the Theatre’s Front and Left Front-Firing speakers. I’m interested to compare the difference with these added speakers.

Wait, how you do this? I have the beta app and the latest firmware and it still won’t let me do that.

Remember that, if you choose to do this, the Speaker Distances and Speaker Levels that you assign to multiple outputs with the same Speaker Role have a HUGE effect on the perceived result. This is also true with VERY small changes in parameters when the physical sources are close together. In other words, don’t jump to conclusions about “how things sound” without playing around with the parameters significantly.

Indeed. I watched “Yellowstone” and kept toggling between having just the center  front-firing speaker and also having all three front-firing speakers as the center role. I found that using all three speakers of the Theatre for the center role was too much and really reduced the immersive surround sound. I think that just using the single speaker for center channel might be better.

I hope that future development of the app will let us indicate which type of beolab speaker is connected to a Receiver 1 so that Room Sense has the information to do the proper calculations.

Is there a place where I can find what value to assign to a Beolab 2 connected via Receiver 1 for the Redirection Level? If I were to connect it to a wired socket temporarily to get the value via Room Sense, I would have to re-do everything.

[beojeff]

Severed_hand_of_skywalker wrote:

beojeff wrote:

Also, note that we can now assign the “Center” role to the Theatre’s Front and Left Front-Firing speakers. I’m interested to compare the difference with these added speakers.

Wait, how you do this? I have the beta app and the latest firmware and it still won’t let me do that.

You must follow Razlaw’s instructions. You first create a listening position and save it. Then, you go back into that listening position, select the three dots in the upper right corner of the screen, and select “Advanced.” Then, you can go into the speaker settings and assign the role to the front-firing speakers. The public B&O iOS app update just came out this morning to allow me to do this.

[beojeff]

My LG TV added my LG washer and dryer. It would actually be useful to see notifications of washer and dryer cycles finishing. However, I haven’t been able to figure out how to do that.

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